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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
#27060972 - 11/27/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did he really say that? Holy shit.
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods] 2
#27060976 - 11/28/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wait, HamHead is banned from the Pub and not the Politics forum?
Fuck...
That settles it, I need to spend more time in the Pub, where adults can have discussions.
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27060993 - 11/28/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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pslyke said:
And for the record-- MedRxiv is a shit publication. It often allows science hacks to get out their non-peer-reviewed biases before they are forced to crawl back under the rock from whence they came.
And....these threads are what happens when recreational armchair scientists get a wifi connection.
This does not fit my fears, must be false.
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pslyke said: And for the record-- MedRxiv is a shit publication. It often allows science hacks to get out their non-peer-reviewed biases before they are forced to crawl back under the rock from whence they came.
LOL, it's amazing the shite sources some people will reach for to alleviate their cognitive dissonance. It's very tiring to be on the receiving end of.
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Medrxiv (pronounced "med-archive", as "med - r chi ve") is an Internet site distributing unpublished eprints about health sciences.[2][3][4][5] It distributes complete but unpublished manuscripts in the areas of medicine, clinical research, and related health sciences without charge to the reader. Such manuscripts have yet to undergo peer review and the site notes that preliminary status and that the manuscripts should not be considered for clinical application, nor relied upon for news reporting as established information.[6]
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You are really using wikipedia as source here? If you had just opened said study it says clearly at the start of the study
"This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."
Study was made by Robert Bainbridge, Oliver Buchmüller, Louis Lyons and Nicholas Wardle and Mikael Mieskolainen.
The time when people attacking persons who disagree with the corporation narrative are going to feel akwardly shamed is near.
But until then it might enchance your digital boner to go on kindergarden level on your behavior.
It is all so friggin funny that half of the comments in this thread are about masks. This has nothing to with teks used to flat the curve. Just doctors who study the infection fatality rate of covid-19.
And this is all so published in Mainstream media in Finland for example. People challenging the propaganda about corona all over the world. You may choose your self how stuck in your opinions you are.
Sign of intelligence is not how stubborn you are, but are you able to change your views of things when data is presented to you. If you choose to belive cnn etc before actual scientists well that is your choise. I belive in freedom of will strongly but hey at least take a look on evidence presented to you before calling it bogus
P.s. Did any of you actually read that said study before starting to run your mouths?
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: christopera]
#27061024 - 11/28/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said: Wait, HamHead is banned from the Pub and not the Politics forum?
Fuck...
That settles it, I need to spend more time in the Pub, where adults can have discussions.

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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: searching]
#27061149 - 11/28/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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searching said: Seriously what is the point of this thread? 265k dead in the US and people are still trying to say its not that bad?
I am nothing like OP here. And I'm really not entirely sure what his goal is, but can we admit it is definitely not as bad as we thought it might have been?
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods]
#27061150 - 11/28/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Could be the muzzie terrorists made the virus
No no MERS is the Middle East themed one.
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: metalfaith] 3
#27061159 - 11/28/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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searching said: Seriously what is the point of this thread? 265k dead in the US and people are still trying to say its not that bad?
I am nothing like OP here. And I'm really not entirely sure what his goal is, but can we admit it is definitely not as bad as we thought it might have been?
Personally I think it's worse. The death % was always estimated to be a fairly low % with the sick and elderly most at risk, although 1 in ever 160 people is not exactly a good ratio. I was never worried about dying though, these after-effects like blood clots, lung/heart damage, chronic inflammatory reactions, chronic fatigue etc that are occuring in like half of the people that they actually examine for them is pretty troubling though.
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods]
#27061160 - 11/28/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fiery said: It's clear that you don't know how hospital bills work without insurance and even with insurance. In fact ,it's clear that you know nothing at all about this.
If you don’t have insurance you don’t get the reduced fees that insurance companies negotiate with providers. The
Not true at all. Do some research and then report back
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods]
#27061161 - 11/28/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Did he really say that? Holy shit.
Nah but I’ve seen some people online say it
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: feevers]
#27061171 - 11/28/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's an interesting take. I recall hearing "millions" and "two-hundred million" and all this crap. Maybe I heard some crazy predictions because I am on reddit, but it seems, even given those serious side effect, the numbers don't seem to match up to what I recall hearing. I mean is 250k people really worth all that we have done?
This is where I can empathize with the crazy Trumpers. It seems to me, the virus is like 10-20% as bad as was predicted. And yet it doesn't seem like anyone has given up any ground. First it was "let's lockdown so the hospitals don't overflow". Then we did and the story changed to "let's lockdown to prevent the spread". Maybe it's the sources of media I consume?
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: metalfaith]
#27061188 - 11/28/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had 5 figure hospital debt numerous times...if you really don't make enough money you can write them a letter of hardship and they will Forgive almost all the debt. I've done it multiple times and am procrastinating doing it a third time. They don't make you pay 100000 dollars when your poor because you got covid. Maybe the bill will say that but it's pretty straightforward to get out of. Every hospitals financial branch will give you the right forms if you ask. You'd have to be making enough money that they know they can squeeze it out of you; for them to deny your request. they are pretty fair about not ruining lives with ER debt. Then again I'm Pretty poor on paper for this exact reason
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: metalfaith]
#27061193 - 11/28/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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metalfaith said: That's an interesting take. I recall hearing "millions" and "two-hundred million" and all this crap. Maybe I heard some crazy predictions because I am on reddit, but it seems, even given those serious side effect, the numbers don't seem to match up to what I recall hearing. I mean is 250k people really worth all that we have done?
This is where I can empathize with the crazy Trumpers. It seems to me, the virus is like 10-20% as bad as was predicted. And yet it doesn't seem like anyone has given up any ground. First it was "let's lockdown so the hospitals don't overflow". Then we did and the story changed to "let's lockdown to prevent the spread". Maybe it's the sources of media I consume?
Well you can't really ask if 250k dead is worth what we did as a response because the response itself is the reason why the number isn't higher. Assuming the # in the OP is correct, that's over 2 million deaths if the virus ran its course here. If it all happened at the same time, like what started to happen before shutdowns in NY, the number would've been much higher because people would have no access to medical care. Hospitals would not only be overrun but a giant portion of their staff would be out sick. Other emergencies like strokes, heart attacks, etc would have grim outcomes in that scenario as well. It doesn't take much at all for a hospital to go from "average occupancy" to "at capacity", and get to a NY situation where ambulances are getting tuned away and refrigerated trucks full of bodies are parked on the corner.
From the beginning I've thougt that one 3-6 week shutdown of everything non-essential followed by an intense testing and contact tracing program, as well as masks and practical distancing rules, was the best way to go. The federal government decided to practically ignore it at first, then half-ass every measure they did take, and then give up when that approach failed. It's crazy that after all the damage we've done to our econony and all the time we've had to put a better plan in place we're at a point where things are getting worse than they were before we even did anything. I guess that's what happens when you let a reality tv real estate agent run a country though.
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: theRealrollforever]
#27061200 - 11/28/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: I've had 5 figure hospital debt numerous times...if you really don't make enough money you can write them a letter of hardship and they will Forgive almost all the debt. I've done it multiple times and am procrastinating doing it a third time. They don't make you pay 100000 dollars when your poor because you got covid. Maybe the bill will say that but it's pretty straightforward to get out of. Every hospitals financial branch will give you the right forms if you ask. You'd have to be making enough money that they know they can squeeze it out of you; for them to deny your request. they are pretty fair about not ruining lives with ER debt. Then again I'm Pretty poor on paper for this exact reason
That's usually true but not the full story. Some hospitals are much worse than others about working with you, and many times doctors and anesthesiologists can also bill you privately as well, and are much less forgiving than a hospital billing department. Those are the surprise bills that ruin a lot of people, and with all the traveling and contract staff due to virus I'm guessing that will be increasing.
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: feevers]
#27061208 - 11/28/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah. I get all those things. And you are right, I am not mad enough or directing enough frustration at the route cause.
Not flexing or anything, but I have been an ICU nurse this whole pandemic, so I am very familiar with hospital capacity and such. You are all right there too.
You are right, appropriate responses could have us in a different world of circumstances.
Alas, care to respond to my numbers? We got worse case scenario here, basically nothing was done right, and we still only got 250k cases. I haven't really been following the research much recently, do you know the incidence of significant side effects? I have not seen many PEs or clots. A handful but nothing crazy. Is my understanding of the previous predictions of millions dead my error? Do you see what I am talking about with no one seeming to be giving up ground?
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: feevers]
#27061209 - 11/28/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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How can a dr bill you privately if you go to a hospital that's "public" so to speak? Do u mean if they do a surgery or something ? I would think they still have to go through the hospital they work at to get paid that's way beyond me though tbh
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: metalfaith]
#27061215 - 11/28/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Were millions of deaths predicted to happen in the US by a certain date, or by the time the outbreak has fully run its course, whenever that is?
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27061225 - 11/28/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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pslyke said:
And for the record-- MedRxiv is a shit publication. It often allows science hacks to get out their non-peer-reviewed biases before they are forced to crawl back under the rock from whence they came.
And....these threads are what happens when recreational armchair scientists get a wifi connection.
This does not fit my fears, must be false.
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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pslyke said: And for the record-- MedRxiv is a shit publication. It often allows science hacks to get out their non-peer-reviewed biases before they are forced to crawl back under the rock from whence they came.
LOL, it's amazing the shite sources some people will reach for to alleviate their cognitive dissonance. It's very tiring to be on the receiving end of.
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Medrxiv (pronounced "med-archive", as "med - r chi ve") is an Internet site distributing unpublished eprints about health sciences.[2][3][4][5] It distributes complete but unpublished manuscripts in the areas of medicine, clinical research, and related health sciences without charge to the reader. Such manuscripts have yet to undergo peer review and the site notes that preliminary status and that the manuscripts should not be considered for clinical application, nor relied upon for news reporting as established information.[6]
Source
You are really using wikipedia as source here? If you had just opened said study it says clearly at the start of the study
"This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."
Study was made by Robert Bainbridge, Oliver Buchmüller, Louis Lyons and Nicholas Wardle and Mikael Mieskolainen.
The time when people attacking persons who disagree with the corporation narrative are going to feel akwardly shamed is near.
But until then it might enchance your digital boner to go on kindergarden level on your behavior.
It is all so friggin funny that half of the comments in this thread are about masks. This has nothing to with teks used to flat the curve. Just doctors who study the infection fatality rate of covid-19.
And this is all so published in Mainstream media in Finland for example. People challenging the propaganda about corona all over the world. You may choose your self how stuck in your opinions you are.
Sign of intelligence is not how stubborn you are, but are you able to change your views of things when data is presented to you. If you choose to belive cnn etc before actual scientists well that is your choise. I belive in freedom of will strongly but hey at least take a look on evidence presented to you before calling it bogus
P.s. Did any of you actually read that said study before starting to run your mouths?
Yes especially the part that said its an irrelevant opinion piece.
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"This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."
If you don't know what that means then it means you have absolutely no business talking about science
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: theRealrollforever]
#27061227 - 11/28/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: How can a dr bill you privately if you go to a hospital that's "public" so to speak? Do u mean if they do a surgery or something ? I would think they still have to go through the hospital they work at to get paid that's way beyond me though tbh
It gets confusing. Depending on the hospital, some of the workers are independent practitioners and not employed by the hospital. If you do a week with covid, you might get seperate bills from the hospital, radiologist, anesthesiologist, and maybe a physician or two. Usually this all gets worked out if you have insurance and they're all in-network providers, but even with insurance if any of them are out of network they might bill you seperately. It's very dumb, I know there was legislation to change it but I dont think it passed yet.
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: feevers]
#27061233 - 11/28/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's pretty fucked. I know I'm good cuz both times the dr barely did anything so my bills are not to enormous anyways. The only real treatment I got was when one of the nurses did an incision on my abscess. She wasn't a doctor though so I don't think the bill is as high.But I have been to multiple hospitals in PA (nice area) that worked with me and multiple hospitals in DE (not the best) that seem to be easy enough to work with too. I didn't know about this nonsense. At this point I'm just rambling
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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: theRealrollforever]
#27061241 - 11/28/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been told by lawyer that the hospital bills you roughly 100x what they expect to get out of you and anyone who pays the full bill without negotiating is crazy
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