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Is this even worth salvaging or toss it?
#27057028 - 11/25/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Yumyumyumyum]
#27057102 - 11/25/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I throw any contaminated cakes/subs/spawn in to my compost bin in my back yard. At times I’ve been able to pull ounces out of it.
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: JimmyMcGoo]
#27057109 - 11/25/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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What your growing there?
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Geinstein]
#27057397 - 11/25/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A disaster I think! It was suppose to be dancing tiger from SE Asia. I had an issue with a couple of my jars this time around not fully colonizing so I let them go too long.
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Yumyumyumyum]
#27059789 - 11/27/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies can I get some details on how this happened or why this happened? I know it is spongy myc(Sorry I assume myc is myc)
Edited by Yumyumyumyum (11/27/20 09:23 AM)
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: JimmyMcGoo]
#27059806 - 11/27/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yumyumyumyum said: Anything? All these experts and no answers guess try another site. Useless fucking site sometimes.
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JimmyMcGoo said: I throw any contaminated cakes/subs/spawn in to my compost bin in my back yard. At times I’ve been able to pull ounces out of it.
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: coversall]
#27059819 - 11/27/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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People who salvage mushrooms seem like they often have things to salvage. I grow mushrooms, I rarely have time or inclination to salvage projects. However despite my bias one thing is certain, that purple colour on those cakes is rather concerning. I would kill them with fire.
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Yumyumyumyum]
#27059822 - 11/27/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yumyumyumyum said: Anything? All these experts and no answers guess try another site. Useless fucking site sometimes.
Go to an eye doctor then hellen keller could tell you to toss that shit
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27059833 - 11/27/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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They were pure white, its spongy myc and I just needed to know if that means spongy contams. I tossed them in my compost pile. Sorry I am a bit pissy seeing this crap show up in a bunch of my jars. The stuff did not show up until after 1 month of colonization. Why did it happen, what causes it, how come it was not constant across 24 samples and only 3 jars two separate strains. I had 33 jars cleared previously with 1 loss then started dehydrating in my grow room to add some heat since its winter. Is this a sterilization issue? A spore issue? A environmental issue? I keep everything in a small grow closet with plant lights going and a humidifier.
I only tend to salvage under colonized cakes and stuff I can cut away the clean parts. I use shoebox mono tubs so a fail is contained if something goes bad. I just salvaged a cake that had a green splotch on it its producing in the substrate.
Edited by Yumyumyumyum (11/27/20 09:26 AM)
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Yumyumyumyum]
#27059881 - 11/27/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The more you salvage instead of tossing the more you'll see problems down the line. Keeping mold and contamination around only helps your chances of doing it again
Clean up. Practice and skill are the missing parts to your more routine successfulness
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: bodhisatta]
#27059898 - 11/27/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is the thing, I have done well at it as I learned. Started a year ago with 4 small jars and a GT syringe. I take the sterilization process seriously. I even sterilize my coco coir verm gypsum. I have a spirit lamp as well as a lab kit. I am just trying to figure out what caused this? I had such success last go around. This one is fine also but more fails and I want to limit that. I run almost 20 tubs that all produced well but have now stalled so I am trying to figure out if there is an environmental issue going on? Hy sonic humidifier gave up the ghost and the one I am using now just does not work the same. Thank you for the input.
Edited by Yumyumyumyum (11/27/20 10:04 AM)
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Yumyumyumyum]
#27059900 - 11/27/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yumyumyumyum said: That is the thing, I have done well at it as I learned. Started a year ago with 4 small jars and a GT syringe. I take the sterilization process seriously. I even sterilize my coco coir verm gypsum. I have a spirit lamp as well as a lab kit. I am just trying to figure out what caused this? I had such success last go around. This one is fine also but more fails and I want to limit that. I run almost 20 tubs that all produced well but have now stalled so I am trying to figure out if there is an environmental issue going on? Hy sonic humidifier gave up the ghost and the one I am using now just does not work the same. Thank you for the input.
sterilizing sub is a waste of time, and could even be counter-productive. Someone else can weigh in with real knowledge. But in my mind sterilizing a sub makes it too much of a blank slate, so if your myc is a little slow colonizing it then it's easier for contam to get a grip.
Don't over think this failure, it happens, if it was started with a MSS it could just have been a dirty syringe.
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: coversall]
#27059929 - 11/27/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I disagree on sub sterilization. My reasoning is that coco coir is dirty, verm is dirty. I thought the substrate was more of a structure? I would also like to know the wise answer on that one too.(it has worked great for me) The vendor has been excellent about replacements I am just not sure why this reared up at the end of the cycle. Overthinking seems to be part of process for me at least now I got rid of all the crap I had going and went simple. Next will be grains and no more jars.
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: coversall]
#27059938 - 11/27/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It looks a bit erghhhh but it's not blue, yet... If you can't bear to throw it away, maybe bury it in a small pot, cover with damp coir and leave it outside. It might do something, but if it doesn't, at least you're not keeping it in the house!
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Tattersail]
#27059949 - 11/27/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a failed material compost plot in my garden. That is where they went to be beaten into mush with a shovel and banished into the ground. In the 8 months I have been dumping all my crap nothing has popped up. I dump everything in it, my extra sub material, spent cakes, dunk water, mushroom cleaning water. anything and everything that I think would have a spore. I have been temped to dump more compost on it but then fear I would not be able to see the mushrooms.
The pit of genetic weakness.
Edited by Yumyumyumyum (11/27/20 10:33 AM)
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Yumyumyumyum]
#27059968 - 11/27/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’m currently dumping my spent substrates into 29” of snow.
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: Yumyumyumyum]
#27059970 - 11/27/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yumyumyumyum said: I disagree on sub sterilization. My reasoning is that coco coir is dirty, verm is dirty. I thought the substrate was more of a structure? I would also like to know the wise answer on that one too.(it has worked great for me) The vendor has been excellent about replacements I am just not sure why this reared up at the end of the cycle. Overthinking seems to be part of process for me at least now I got rid of all the crap I had going and went simple. Next will be grains and no more jars.
People don't even pasturise coir these days, just hydrate it with some hot water, and verm doesn't grow anything, hence it's use as a contam barrier in BRF cakes.
If you're shooting bought spores onto anything other than agar there is always an uncotrolable risk of contam. No amount of good practice is going to make up for a dirty syringe, and if the syringe is coming from outside then you have to surrender your entire process to the practices of whomever is making it.
This is why agar is such a powerful tool.
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Pastywhyte said: I’m currently dumping my spent substrates into 29” of snow.
Sounds better than drizzle and fog!
I'm being unfair to the weather, today was awesome, one of those days that reminds you how lucky you are to work outdoors.
Edited by coversall (11/27/20 10:46 AM)
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Re: Is this even worth salvaging or toss it? [Re: coversall]
#27059999 - 11/27/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yumyumyumyum said: I disagree on sub sterilization. My reasoning is that coco coir is dirty, verm is dirty. I thought the substrate was more of a structure? I would also like to know the wise answer on that one too.(it has worked great for me) The vendor has been excellent about replacements I am just not sure why this reared up at the end of the cycle. Overthinking seems to be part of process for me at least now I got rid of all the crap I had going and went simple. Next will be grains and no more jars.
People don't even pasturise coir these days, just hydrate it with some hot water, and verm doesn't grow anything, hence it's use as a contam barrier in BRF cakes.
If you're shooting bought spores onto anything other than agar there is always an uncotrolable risk of contam. No amount of good practice is going to make up for a dirty syringe, and if the syringe is coming from outside then you have to surrender your entire process to the practices of whomever is making it.
Agar is always a shit show for me. I have much better luck with prints and just buying new material. The vendor has been excellent at understanding. Something like this not their fault. Even if there is a fail its acceptable. When I first started this I had one batch go 0/14 jars using 3 different mediums. followed by 70% success with the one agar plate I did get right for months. After that pretty bad again at the end 6/16. Reset to vendor spores (8 different strains so far, many syringes) with a much greater degree of success 30+/33. next go around I got contam in two(One was me no pore tape), 1 stalled and 3 of these guys. Out of 25 jars.(some are colonizing). I just hate to see one entire strain get dusted is all.
This is why agar is such a powerful tool.
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Pastywhyte said: I’m currently dumping my spent substrates into 29” of snow.
Sounds better than drizzle and fog!
Not for Psilocybe azurescens, I live in the PNW the land or drizzle, fog and grey. I think they would eventually grow in the spring if you packed them in the snow? I am having no luck with my garden pile.
I'm being unfair to the weather, today was awesome, one of those days that reminds you how lucky you are to work outdoors.
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