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Life on earth?
    #27059488 - 11/27/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You guys seen rhis fucking shit?

I guess its a show.

Basically they show us every fucked up thing going on fed through a tv?

Help me out wtf is going on here?


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059510 - 11/27/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What are we talking about, OP?


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059516 - 11/27/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Also tells us curve the population ?

Is it just me or is this like socialist propaganda?

Idk if im just really trippin :smile: or cattchin on to some wild shit


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #27059518 - 11/27/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Im talking about some unsettling ass shit to see right now in my current state of mind


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu] * 2
    #27059521 - 11/27/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am most definitely tripping hard as fuck currently


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059529 - 11/27/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

They show us the world they are destroying while telling us what to do to stop it ?

Come again?

Am i fucking missing something here. For real.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059537 - 11/27/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok gotcha enjoy your trip, mate! :sunny:

Anchor on positive ideas we can discuss bullshit when you get back lol.

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059541 - 11/27/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just been going through 9ne of this fucking tidal waze type of trips thay blow you the fuck away how important it is every choice we make ...


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059698 - 11/27/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Damn man that shit was crazy

So basically my friend played this show on netflix or whatever and it showed how we have destroyed our planet over the years and how its getting worse, meanwhile we watch it on a television and go about our lives being shown a world destroyed and continuing as a cog in the wheel

Then the same people showing us a video of a beautiful world they destroyed while telling us the old cultures used to live abundantly one with nature, tell us the way to fix the issue is to adopt the ways of other countries like china where they have one child etc and show basically depopulation is the answer

Whole shits was beyond fucked up watching

Anyone seen this show..?

Shit like this makes me scared for my childrens future and what the world will be like... Fuck man...


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059727 - 11/27/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps it's an inner call to action of some sort? Media is fucking evil, even though instant long-distance communication should've been one of the best things humans could've ever invent.

Hope you figure out what the trip meant to you.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: jomanda1990]
    #27059730 - 11/27/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

David Attenborough: A Life On Our Planet

Is the name of the show

Shit that trip sent me deep as fuck man

What it means to me is so complex i am still trying to understand it and what to make of it

I cant help but feel theres some fucked up shit going on man on such a deep fucking level

What can we do but control our choices? So fucking hard man.

Its like we are living through a powerful decline and shift of our civilization or something

I dont even fucking know dude


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059776 - 11/27/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the show recommendation. I'll check it out


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: enzofilo]
    #27059781 - 11/27/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Leme know what you make of it if you watch it man

Idk if i was just tripping hard as fuck and paranoid as fuck or like i said if i was catching on to some fucked up shit


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27059786 - 11/27/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Shit's fucked and there's not much you can do about it.
Psychedelics are for working out what the shit is so you can do what you can, and the weed is for helping you relax when there isn't shit you can do.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: JonBa]
    #27059906 - 11/27/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like acid lol I go down such screwed up mental rabbit holes of 'wait, is that really how it works... what was I thinking my whole life, I never realized...'. Suddenly the world feels immediate and you feel the consequences of all of your/the world's actions at once.

On the other hand I do think it's only when tripping that I get a grasp at the idea that the world is moving according to a fixed plan, and we're nearing the end just because of how rapidly humanity has changed and how rapidly humanity has changed the world with technology. When I'm sober it's kind of a creeping afterthought but on psychedelics it is often enough to fill me with grief or wonder.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: jdawg333]
    #27060059 - 11/27/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah man i relate to that very strongly

Like during the trip its an urgency and then once you are down again its like ok things arent completely fucked or that way etc

But it seems very important

It started a conversation with mt uncle today and hea older and hes a very smaet and wise man

Even he said lately hes been thinking we we are going to have some sort of major event or change, but he also brought up the resilience of humans and how we will get through it, whatever it may be


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27060068 - 11/27/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

don't assume that they are they

the tv people are not even the same they's - I mean separate people with separate interests in tv-network, web, content production, narration, writers, actors, etc.

and each problem is also connected to different they's

when stoned I guess you find all the they's blur together!


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27060079 - 11/27/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah thats a good point too

Everyones got their own agenda huh


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27060129 - 11/27/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I feel you man. Those tripping feelings and thoughts are intense. I have never watched anything like that on mushrooms (my drug that I use).
You understood something that is fucked up. I often have that feeling whilst tripping. It's like "this whole thing is fucking perverted" and it can be a dreading feeling or just like a feeling of reality not being real and being so perverse like twisted - the opposite of what it should be.
I think you are onto something. It's just that the psychedelic experience makes it so profound and intense for you to feel - and don't forget the possibility of complete delusions as well.
But yes I think we are fucked and there is nothing that can stop it - only the amount of damage done. Many people, like philosophers think this, e.g. Slavoj Zizek (last one I heard talk about how we have a dystopian future ahead). We are living in a machine, as slaves to systems. We can't just stop all of a sudden. That would need a hivemind.

It's the pain of the soul that comes through when it realises these things tripping !!! And it is a good thing to stay connected to that soul, or that other part of our minds/brains, however you like to think of it.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27060135 - 11/27/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's a good show, but the truth is depressing and its simple: our way of life needs to change or end. The political and economic forces are all pushing in the other direction of course. I have worried about it during previous trips, since the abuse of our ecosystem and people by corporate greed is basically the biggest problem going, but while tripping I personally am not sure if its helpful to dwell on it, since individuals can't do fuck all of significance for the most part (especially while high).


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27060162 - 11/27/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think the perspectives that come through psychedelics are valuable for individuals to facilitate changes. Dwelling on stuff is not helpful I agree. I wouldn't watch anything like that for a prolonged period if it made me think of the state of the world just from a negative perspective.

I want to add that I think often the perspectives we get from psychedelics into societal issues are because we get a better understanding how things were not too long ago and how they were better, and also how a paradise on earth could look like...


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #27060180 - 11/27/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

personally I don't trip anymore, mostly because I always think about how terrible life in the past and currently is/was for most people/animals, and how unlikely it seems that we will pull ourselves out of our death spiral with capitalism and dominator culture. I don't think that's entirely true, of course most beings want to live and there are great experiences and always have been, but I tend to get caught in the thought that biology is a kind of horror show of perpetual suffering and recreation, serving no purpose. If you've seen the movie annihilation, it actually is a pretty good artistic depiction of that kind of horror in my mind, though the script has some problems and also of course is entertainment rather than actual information.

I think people can overcome some emotional issues on psychedelics, but mostly its just harmful to get too caught up in some thought loops (for one I always am convinced that the depths of suffering we can experience far exceeds the heights of joy, and makes them basically irrelevant rather than balancing the scales in any way). When sober I don't really agree with this, but I kept getting stuck in stomach pain and depression while tripping -odd since I don't think I've ever been truly depressed while sober, it only happens on mushrooms or lsd sometimes-

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #27060221 - 11/27/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys, very insightful

I have had blissfull experiences and dark ones.

Always insightful and offer opportunities to learn and grow.

The urgency and feeling of our society through that "perverted this is fuck all" lens has left me feeling very balanced and in tune currently

I feel fucking great as I write this as well as hopeful for the future if not but for the fact that I believe we will continue to survive and persevere no matter the outcome.

Strange how the deep dark rabbit hole i crawl into while tripping sometimes brings me out on the other side into what feels like a warmer brighter state of mind

Been a while since lsd has took me on such a powerful both deep and dark but positive experience

Fuck i love psychedelics

Just if anyone is interested, i amnnot sure the exact dose, but i took about 1.5 tabs of some stuff i have had quite a few times i would guess is around 100ug per hit and a sugar cube from a friend i have never tried before nor can i speak as to its strength though i was told they werent that strong.

Id guess the trip was a decent 200ug or 250ug or so dose and it was really quite satiafying.

I was tripping balls

Effects still very strongly lingering after a very short sleep

9pm-5am or so trip and waking at 730, 8am

Feel great. Very relaxed and slow moving, drinking coffee and eating good food, helped my uncle do some shovelling and got a good chat in, very great day, sittting for some reading, feeling very good..

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27060235 - 11/27/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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personally I don't trip anymore, mostly because I always think about how terrible life in the past and currently is/was for most people/animals, and how unlikely it seems that we will pull ourselves out of our death spiral with capitalism and dominator culture. I don't think that's entirely true, of course most beings want to live and there are great experiences and always have been, but I tend to get caught in the thought that biology is a kind of horror show of perpetual suffering and recreation, serving no purpose. If you've seen the movie annihilation, it actually is a pretty good artistic depiction of that kind of horror in my mind, though the script has some problems and also of course is entertainment rather than actual information.

I think people can overcome some emotional issues on psychedelics, but mostly its just harmful to get too caught up in some thought loops (for one I always am convinced that the depths of suffering we can experience far exceeds the heights of joy, and makes them basically irrelevant rather than balancing the scales in any way). When sober I don't really agree with this, but I kept getting stuck in stomach pain and depression while tripping -odd since I don't think I've ever been truly depressed while sober, it only happens on mushrooms or lsd sometimes-

that was a bit of a ramble, hope you're trips are better than mine anyway ha



This continuous theme in your trips makes me think that there is some integration to your sober self you could benefit from. Why do you think you always think of this stuff on psychedelics? Is it just madness ? Also what psychedelics do you use? I think you just happen to hit the other end of philosophy of life in your trips. Maybe write down stuff from different points of view for you to ponder in your trips. I think you are right in the depths of suffering exceeding those of joy.
Well that's just a few thoughts I had regarding this. I do understand if that pain of your soul gets too intense during psys to continue it.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27060263 - 11/27/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't have this problem initially, my first trip on both lsd and mushrooms were great, but it became very regular for the last dozen or so trips I took (the very last one I just sat with the feeling and made myself not move or look away, but just felt the negativity and eventually it wore out and I was sober, which in a way was a triumph although afterwards I just felt like I didn't need to trip again.)

to be honest my theory is a bit disappointing, but I developed Celiac disease and the main thing is that tripping seems to trigger my stomach pain. The pain is bad when sober, but it only gets worse when on psychedelics, probably combined with anxiety triggered by expecting it to come, and if I feel physically unwell my mind will go to the worst places.

It's been a couple of years and I have gotten better about avoiding triggers, so perhaps psychedelics wouldn't do this now I am avoiding gluten contamination, but I have not been eager to test it (just this summer I had a bout, unrelated to drugs at all, that made me lose 26 lbs and miss two weeks of work, which was awful).

I do really want to try DMT one day (my previous trips were all 4-aco-met, lsd, 1-p-lsd or shrooms) but the childish urgency I used to feel is all gone now, and I feel I could happily wait many more years


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27060270 - 11/27/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The planet and whole universe works like a symbiotic cell. When one aspect is fucked up, it fucks up other parts with it. Everyone plays a part in the destruction of the planet, not just politicians.

Population DOES need to be curved. There's too much overconsumption going on which is fueled by the greed of American corporations. It starts at the top and trickles down. If it wasn't for the greed of American corporations then Americans wouldn't be so overconsumptive. Right now the planet is diseased. You have all these forces pushing against each other, which means the planet is no longer a symbiotic structure. It is like a diseased body. All of the parts have stopped working the way that they normally should and so the whole system is fucked. Where do you even begin to try to fix anything when everything is connected and influences other parts?. Every little part plays a role within the big scheme of everything.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27060290 - 11/27/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well i think the way we live is more od an issue than how many are living

Genocide of our own species doesnt seem like a reasonable answer.

What difference does curving the population make when the factories still have enough workers to keep running..?

You say the issue is the greed of the corporations, how does a lower population change values or methods..?

I think developing more sustainability would be a better solution than depopulation.

Working to overhaul the system, but im not sure it can be down.

Personally i will work toward my own goals of living more self sustainably with less waste etc and to hopefully teach my children the same and give them a running shot at all this


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27060297 - 11/27/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

well, to answer your question: it starts from the individual.
I agree population does need to be curbed because the standard of living is ever increasing, due to capitalism (best system we have so far).
Terence McKenna consulted the mushroom on what to do about the state of the world to change it. He was given the answer: every woman should have only one child. I posted a thread about this during the summer. I think it is true. It's not fun or convenient. Neither is everyone going back to living in the stone age.


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    #27060303 - 11/27/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27060310 - 11/27/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, we need collective action. That obviously involves individuals, but the strongest pressure needs to be on leaders and organizations that actively stand in the way of progress, and addressing issues. There's a lot at play here, but I think we can work to fix many of these core issues at once. We need to regain a sense of class consciousness, and understand that even though most americans (and canadians, everyone in developed countries to be fair) benefit from the exploitation of the worlds resources, most of us are exploited by the systems we keep running. Emancipation for workers, minorities, and addressing climate change will require restructuring many institutions, but we will need to do some of the work from within those same institutions.

This is all pretty big picture stuff though, and its not at all a bad idea to work on whatever manageable changes can be made in your own life. I don't think doing yoga and recycling say is enough to change the world, but it hardly hurts.

as to population, if we provide a reasonable standard of living, population goes down. This has been observed over and over, and with the exception of some religious influences, it will happen in the developing world too if we give them half a chance, with no need for genocide


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27060317 - 11/27/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I agree it all starts on an individual level. Part of the reason why population has skyrocketed so much within the last hundred years is because the standard of living has increased and it has gotten a lot easier to get food. This makes humans lazy and makes them breed uncontrollably.


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    #27060322 - 11/27/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I agree it all starts on an individual level. Part of the reason why population has skyrocketed so much within the last hundred years is because the standard of living has increased and it has gotten a lot easier to get food. This makes humans lazy and makes them breed uncontrollably.




not exactly true, the wealthier and more comfortable countries have declining populations. the evidence all shows education and stability actually leads to a decline in population


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27060365 - 11/27/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wealthy people don't breed it because they already know the problems of overpopulation. Poor people breed too much because they are not smart and it is too easy for them to get food.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27060380 - 11/27/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Wealthy people don't breed it because they already know the problems of overpopulation. Poor people breed too much because they are not smart and it is too easy for them to get food.




I don't think that's accurate, sorry. There's cultural differences at play, but the biggest thing is access to education, contraception and abortion -and separation of church and state- allow people to actually have choices, and when they do reproduce its usually one or two kids, rather than say, 8. Catholicism has a lot to answer for here, as they in the past actively resisted efforts to provide contraception to the poorer nations.

I don't think the wealthy reproduce less because of altruism, they just dont want to pump out 8 kids because why the hell would you want to do that unless you have a cult telling you you have to, or perhaps you need the free labor -as is often the case in poorer rural communities


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27060442 - 11/27/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Short snippit from the movie Idiocracy, in reference to the discussion on intelligence being proportional to reproduction:

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ch0ppie]
    #27060512 - 11/27/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting

Glad this post was able to spark some "debate" or different thoughts on things going on right now

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27060524 - 11/27/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting you said that. I watch david Attenborough on mushrooms and had just got this series and it said in the blurb it had undertones of what we are doing to the planet and was going to watch it on mushrooms. Hahaha sounds like an interesting watch for sure


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ChucklesCheebah]
    #27060526 - 11/27/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

But im after a positive trip so i might watch planet earth part 2 by david Attenborough. I just love watching the nature on the big screen on mushrooms. I dont want a negative vibe though


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ChucklesCheebah]
    #27060537 - 11/27/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah idk if it was just me or what i need to revisit sober.

Was very random to see it. Went to a friends and we wound up tripping without exactly planning. Spent some time ouside and what not and hanging out and watched thor: ragnorak then he put that on and i was like bro this shit is tripping me the fuck out

Spent the next 4 hours afterward sorting through some shit.

Always interesting to trip in ways you arent use to with different people

I highly recommend those avenger movies or what not and that thor ragnorak seemed pretty good too

Some a1 shit between the comedy and all those visual effects. Very striking visually

Holly hell i was tripping hard and that shit was throwing me for a loop trying to keep up while day dreaming off into space

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27060600 - 11/27/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah bro out of the avenger movies i love the visuals in doctor strange on a big screen TV.

I will definitely watch that life on earth series sober but from what you wrote it was similar to what someone else said about the series. David was trying to send a message about what he has witnesses happen to our planet in his lifetime and it is supposed to have some darker undertones


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ChucklesCheebah]
    #27060602 - 11/27/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its crazy coz i was literally going to watch that series tonight on shrooms but after reading this i will watch that one sober and go with planet earth 2 tonight ✌


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ChucklesCheebah]
    #27060611 - 11/27/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

Well if you end up watching it let me know what you think

Sorry i ruined the plan :lol:

Interesting you say some other people noticed some other things going on with the show.

I was tripping so hard i couldnt really tell if i was paranoid or not but some of the shit.. Idk


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27061359 - 11/28/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say you were just tripping man, but it actually sounds like you were on to something.

I think population control is more evident than ever now and we'll only see more and more of it, what concerns me is the threat of depopulation.

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Wealthy people don't breed it because they already know the problems of overpopulation. Poor people breed too much because they are not smart and it is too easy for them to get food.




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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27061472 - 11/28/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well i think the way we live is more od an issue than how many are living

Genocide of our own species doesnt seem like a reasonable answer.

What difference does curving the population make when the factories still have enough workers to keep running..?

You say the issue is the greed of the corporations, how does a lower population change values or methods..?

I think developing more sustainability would be a better solution than depopulation.

Working to overhaul the system, but im not sure it can be down.

Personally i will work toward my own goals of living more self sustainably with less waste etc and to hopefully teach my children the same and give them a running shot at all this



Birth control is not the same as genocide.
You are thinking from an optimistic perspective.
In reality, all the developing countries need to get their GDP up before people in those countries start caring about the environment.
These countries' population will also grow to some limit.
Sadly, there is not much that can be done to curb the consumerism of all those people.
Well, as long as we don't nuke the planet, it will be fine in the end.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: psysearch]
    #27061740 - 11/28/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's easier for anyone to get food these days compared to when we had to hunt before civilization started.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: JonBa]
    #27061770 - 11/28/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Shit's fucked and there's not much you can do about it.
Psychedelics are for working out what the shit is so you can do what you can, and the weed is for helping you relax when there isn't shit you can do.




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Also, don't look up "The Great reset" until after you return to baseline

I thought it was a conspiracy theory. It's not

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    #27061844 - 11/28/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ive seen stuff about it floating around on instagram but dont know anything about it

Got a good place or link for a rundown?


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27061854 - 11/28/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Ive seen stuff about it floating around on instagram but dont know anything about it

Got a good place or link for a rundown?



don't be fooled. By all means about it, but there are conspiracy theories relating to it. For one thing many right wingers claim its an attempt by socialists to reorganize society. If that were the case I'd be all for it. However, its a capitalist plot through and through and not quite as nefarious (or helpful) as some might suggest


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    #27061987 - 11/28/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Im not much for socialism


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    #27062004 - 11/28/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Down the rabbit hole we go.. :uhoh:

Skull and bones (order 322)
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    #27062137 - 11/28/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Im not much for socialism



then you shouldn't have any problem with the 'great reset' since its not socialist :shrug:


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    #27062284 - 11/28/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Im not much for socialism



then you shouldn't have any problem with the 'great reset' since its not socialist :shrug:




What will it be, then (genuinely curious not trolling or instigating a political argument here, lol)?


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    #27062310 - 11/29/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm curious what the great reset is also. They've been talking about it for years.


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    #27062320 - 11/29/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Highly recommend giving 'Life Beyond' parts 1 & 2 by melodysheep on YouTube a watch, an informative sorta documentary about life beyond earth that has movie grade production quality with no boring people talking at the camera, instead there's some beautiful CGI imagery and an atmospheric soundtrack. Great watch for any space/science buff or other. :thumbup:


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ch0ppie]
    #27062412 - 11/29/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Lifebeyond earth is bullshit. This is all we need. It's good to have a plan b, but the grass is definitely not greener out there. Earth is a literal paradise. In some places at least.


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    #27062555 - 11/29/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The great reset to me basically seems like faux environmentalism which is really so called 'communism' in disguise, which will really be more fascism in disguise.

Seems they got this situation sewn up via covid, practically got people begging for more of their freedom to be taken in the name of the latest boogiemonster. Mobile phone tracking, facial recognition, immunity passports, mass vaccinations, bring it on so I can go to the pub or get my cheeseburger then go on holiday!

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: skOsH]
    #27062732 - 11/29/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Shit's fucked and there's not much you can do about it.
Psychedelics are for working out what the shit is so you can do what you can, and the weed is for helping you relax when there isn't shit you can do.




:whathesaid:

Also, don't look up "The Great reset" until after you return to baseline

I thought it was a conspiracy theory. It's not

Anyway enjoy your trip :tripping:




I already knew about that for years. It was one of those things that was an "unhinged conspiracy theory!" until they decided to go public then "everyone knew this and only idiots oppose it!"
Now of course the public backlash was so huge that they've gone back to "It's a far right conspiracy theory!"

I've known we're living in the prelude to global dystopia since I was a kid though. Everyone else might have seen the constant warning signs as random events, but I actually paid attention to those mid 20th century stories warning about all this stuff, and the last 4000 years of human history with patterns of this stuff.

In reply to you others; The Great Reset is the endgame of Market Socialism, where fiat currency and debt-based ecconomics finally converts to the end state where everything on earth is owned by the state and state-allied corporations, and normal people only get rations, and anything they might be able to rent. It has been known as the end state since the 1960s, and it has been under the name of "The Great Reset" since the late 90s, and they have been so open about it that they have section for it on The World Ecconomic Forum website and the current heads of The Great Reset have published propaganda about how "You'll own nothing and be happy" in multiple books, videos, a Time Magazine special, etc.
The information isn't hidden, despite the best efforts of the Scum Media and their corporatist cronies.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27062992 - 11/29/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Im not much for socialism



then you shouldn't have any problem with the 'great reset' since its not socialist :shrug:




What will it be, then (genuinely curious not trolling or instigating a political argument here, lol)?




it depends if by 'the great reset' you mean the conspiracy, or the actual proposal by the world economic forum. I will ignore the conspiracy, because it's just that, and address the reality

it's absolutely not communism and its not socialism either. It was unveiled in may, by Prince Charles and the WEF director -neither of whom are anywhere near socialists.

the general idea is actually totally in keeping with capitalist policies of the last century, and its just about incentivizing sustainable investment and putting more money into research and development, that sort of thing. Do I trust these elites and their rhetoric? No, but this isn't socialism and if you think it is you don't know what socialism means (thats ok, neither do most americans)

Socialism means public or employee ownership of production, resources and distribution, and usually comes along with things like a social safety net, universal healthcare etc -however universal healthcare or a safety net are NOT socialism in and of themselves.

Take a look at the figures endorsing this scheme: Trudeau, Biden, Prince Charles: not socialists. They are all neo-liberal capitalists and if you extend the term socialist to them it shows you don't know what you're talking about.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27062999 - 11/29/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

the real concern with the 'great reset' is not communists overthrowing 'freedom' and industry, but that these capitalist overlords will use it -like they use every tool they can- to entrench the powerful and wealthy Capitalists at the head of the table.

Also a little tip: you can have an authoritarian (even fascist) capitalist country (capitalism doesn't simply mean freedom, contrary to what many seem to think). Who knew!


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    #27063045 - 11/29/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I mentioned socialism because someone else did.

I havent read or seen anything anout the great reset.

Im just not for socialism.


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    #27063244 - 11/29/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

sorry, was not saying you misunderstood but just pointing out to be suspicious of anyone applying the term socialism so liberally. Whatever you think of the ideology, the term is misapplied a lot.


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    #27063922 - 11/30/20 02:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I honestly think we're fucked once we switch to a completely digital currency.

Especially if it's a global one.

Not that we've been doing great with global banking since about 1913 anyway, but hey.


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    #27064319 - 11/30/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I honestly think we're fucked once we switch to a completely digital currency.

Especially if it's a global one.

Not that we've been doing great with global banking since about 1913 anyway, but hey.




I don't think we'll be making that switch soon, but I really don't know.
You're right the history of banking has been pretty iffy, basically constant economic crashes since its inception


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    #27064365 - 11/30/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well i still dont know what to believe regarding it as i havent done any research and just read the replies involving it.

I suppose either way what can i do besides focus on my life and goals, do the best i can with my current reality, am i wrong?


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    #27065222 - 11/30/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Well i still dont know what to believe regarding it as i havent done any research and just read the replies involving it.

I suppose either way what can i do besides focus on my life and goals, do the best i can with my current reality, am i wrong?




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    #27065245 - 11/30/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Right like fuck

Idk wtf is going on at all in this crazy world...

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    #27065315 - 11/30/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Things should quit being so expensive that you need to take out a loan to pay for it or getting it subsidized. Cars, houses, phones, college degrees, etc. They are only so expensive so that the bankers can make money.

Cars should be no more than $5,000 brand new, maybe $10,000 for a luxury vehicle like a Mercedes or Lexus or something. an old 20 year old used car should be no more than like $500. A house shouldn't cost more than $10,000 and maybe $50,000 for a mansion. Phones should be under $100. And college should be free considering more than half the fucking people in every class end up dropping out anyway.


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Things should quit being so expensive that you need to take out a loan to pay for it or getting it subsidized. Cars, houses, phones, college degrees, etc. They are only so expensive so that the bankers can make money.

Cars should be no more than $5,000 brand new, maybe $10,000 for a luxury vehicle like a Mercedes or Lexus or something. an old 20 year old used car should be no more than like $500. A house shouldn't cost more than $10,000 and maybe $50,000 for a mansion. Phones should be under $100. And college should be free considering more than half the fucking people in every class end up dropping out anyway.




that or people need to make more money (same thing I know) which isn't gonna happen if we leave things up to the free market OR to the donor classes who run the politicians


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I honestly think we're fucked once we switch to a completely digital currency.

Especially if it's a global one.

Not that we've been doing great with global banking since about 1913 anyway, but hey.




I don't think we'll be making that switch soon, but I really don't know.
You're right the history of banking has been pretty iffy, basically constant economic crashes since its inception




From my perspective they're making in unpopular to own things, everything will be a service/commodity, and you'll have a social credit like China does, where someone somewhere can just turn off your money because reasons.

Not even a conspiracy it appears Sweden had "less issues with COVID" because they've already got a semi-digital currency system up and running. All banking is centralized via the EU and England.

They're using COVID as a reason for people to get used to being judged for something and not being allowed to shop, spend, or frequent a particular area.

I wish I were joking, I didn't even rip the bong yet this morning.


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    #27065792 - 12/01/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn man that shit was crazy

So basically my friend played this show on netflix or whatever and it showed how we have destroyed our planet over the years and how its getting worse, meanwhile we watch it on a television and go about our lives being shown a world destroyed and continuing as a cog in the wheel

Then the same people showing us a video of a beautiful world they destroyed while telling us the old cultures used to live abundantly one with nature, tell us the way to fix the issue is to adopt the ways of other countries like china where they have one child etc and show basically depopulation is the answer

Whole shits was beyond fucked up watching

Anyone seen this show..?

Shit like this makes me scared for my childrens future and what the world will be like... Fuck man...





I used to adore Attenborough's nature documentaries. Really well made, amazing shots, excellent to see the beauty of nature accompanied by his soothing voice.

Lately it feels like his shows have been incredibly pessimistic and bordering on propaganda. I used to be a Greenpeace hippy but after a few years of studying environmental science, social science and politics for my degree, I'm less convinced about what we "should" do. There are no easy answers, but there are lots of ways of making things worse through good intentions.

The earth is a very complicated system, and we do not live outside the system. We ARE nature, and a rather successful species at that. Why shouldn't Mother Nature be proud to call us her children? The earth is certainly beautiful in infinite ways, but Mother Nature is also a bitch and it seems rose-tinted to view the world as perfect, virtuous, and would be better off if humans weren't around. Environmental concern is not a bad idea, but when it comes to anti-humanism, anti-natalism, depopulation, and anti-democratic global political compliance on behalf of science and nature, I get a little skeptical. I don't believe any problem can be solved by "depopulation" - if anything, have more kids. Lots of people complain there are too many people on the planet (really, how would we know?) but few of them ever volunteer to leave first. If you appreciate your life, then you can't really say others don't deserve a chance as well. An ageing population is bad for humans and also not great for the planet because we'll make an awful mess on our way out.

There's lots of talk these days about oppression and so on, but there is no entity that has oppressed humans as much as "nature" has. Only in the past few centuries has humanity managed to cast off or loosen some of the shackles of nature - early death, high death rate of women in childbirth, high death rate of babies and children, untold suffering, being eaten by predators, natural disasters. We have adapted to so much of it, yes at a cost to other parts of the ecosystems but I don't think we'll do any permanent damage. Perhaps we are witnessing Ego-death of our modern civilisations, but we can't prevent other civilisations rising as they have always done before.

It used to be that emotional messaging was useful for encouraging individuals to make "better" choices. That's fine for discouraging littering and so on but the BBC is full-swing into pestering people to vote for political parties who have utopian solutions for somehow "fixing" climate change, even if it requires compliance by coercion by a global political power that wants your money and liberties. That will end badly, and won't help the earth.


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