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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27060162 - 11/27/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think the perspectives that come through psychedelics are valuable for individuals to facilitate changes. Dwelling on stuff is not helpful I agree. I wouldn't watch anything like that for a prolonged period if it made me think of the state of the world just from a negative perspective.

I want to add that I think often the perspectives we get from psychedelics into societal issues are because we get a better understanding how things were not too long ago and how they were better, and also how a paradise on earth could look like...


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #27060180 - 11/27/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

personally I don't trip anymore, mostly because I always think about how terrible life in the past and currently is/was for most people/animals, and how unlikely it seems that we will pull ourselves out of our death spiral with capitalism and dominator culture. I don't think that's entirely true, of course most beings want to live and there are great experiences and always have been, but I tend to get caught in the thought that biology is a kind of horror show of perpetual suffering and recreation, serving no purpose. If you've seen the movie annihilation, it actually is a pretty good artistic depiction of that kind of horror in my mind, though the script has some problems and also of course is entertainment rather than actual information.

I think people can overcome some emotional issues on psychedelics, but mostly its just harmful to get too caught up in some thought loops (for one I always am convinced that the depths of suffering we can experience far exceeds the heights of joy, and makes them basically irrelevant rather than balancing the scales in any way). When sober I don't really agree with this, but I kept getting stuck in stomach pain and depression while tripping -odd since I don't think I've ever been truly depressed while sober, it only happens on mushrooms or lsd sometimes-

that was a bit of a ramble, hope you're trips are better than mine anyway ha


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #27060221 - 11/27/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys, very insightful

I have had blissfull experiences and dark ones.

Always insightful and offer opportunities to learn and grow.

The urgency and feeling of our society through that "perverted this is fuck all" lens has left me feeling very balanced and in tune currently

I feel fucking great as I write this as well as hopeful for the future if not but for the fact that I believe we will continue to survive and persevere no matter the outcome.

Strange how the deep dark rabbit hole i crawl into while tripping sometimes brings me out on the other side into what feels like a warmer brighter state of mind

Been a while since lsd has took me on such a powerful both deep and dark but positive experience

Fuck i love psychedelics

Just if anyone is interested, i amnnot sure the exact dose, but i took about 1.5 tabs of some stuff i have had quite a few times i would guess is around 100ug per hit and a sugar cube from a friend i have never tried before nor can i speak as to its strength though i was told they werent that strong.

Id guess the trip was a decent 200ug or 250ug or so dose and it was really quite satiafying.

I was tripping balls

Effects still very strongly lingering after a very short sleep

9pm-5am or so trip and waking at 730, 8am

Feel great. Very relaxed and slow moving, drinking coffee and eating good food, helped my uncle do some shovelling and got a good chat in, very great day, sittting for some reading, feeling very good..

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27060235 - 11/27/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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personally I don't trip anymore, mostly because I always think about how terrible life in the past and currently is/was for most people/animals, and how unlikely it seems that we will pull ourselves out of our death spiral with capitalism and dominator culture. I don't think that's entirely true, of course most beings want to live and there are great experiences and always have been, but I tend to get caught in the thought that biology is a kind of horror show of perpetual suffering and recreation, serving no purpose. If you've seen the movie annihilation, it actually is a pretty good artistic depiction of that kind of horror in my mind, though the script has some problems and also of course is entertainment rather than actual information.

I think people can overcome some emotional issues on psychedelics, but mostly its just harmful to get too caught up in some thought loops (for one I always am convinced that the depths of suffering we can experience far exceeds the heights of joy, and makes them basically irrelevant rather than balancing the scales in any way). When sober I don't really agree with this, but I kept getting stuck in stomach pain and depression while tripping -odd since I don't think I've ever been truly depressed while sober, it only happens on mushrooms or lsd sometimes-

that was a bit of a ramble, hope you're trips are better than mine anyway ha



This continuous theme in your trips makes me think that there is some integration to your sober self you could benefit from. Why do you think you always think of this stuff on psychedelics? Is it just madness ? Also what psychedelics do you use? I think you just happen to hit the other end of philosophy of life in your trips. Maybe write down stuff from different points of view for you to ponder in your trips. I think you are right in the depths of suffering exceeding those of joy.
Well that's just a few thoughts I had regarding this. I do understand if that pain of your soul gets too intense during psys to continue it.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27060263 - 11/27/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't have this problem initially, my first trip on both lsd and mushrooms were great, but it became very regular for the last dozen or so trips I took (the very last one I just sat with the feeling and made myself not move or look away, but just felt the negativity and eventually it wore out and I was sober, which in a way was a triumph although afterwards I just felt like I didn't need to trip again.)

to be honest my theory is a bit disappointing, but I developed Celiac disease and the main thing is that tripping seems to trigger my stomach pain. The pain is bad when sober, but it only gets worse when on psychedelics, probably combined with anxiety triggered by expecting it to come, and if I feel physically unwell my mind will go to the worst places.

It's been a couple of years and I have gotten better about avoiding triggers, so perhaps psychedelics wouldn't do this now I am avoiding gluten contamination, but I have not been eager to test it (just this summer I had a bout, unrelated to drugs at all, that made me lose 26 lbs and miss two weeks of work, which was awful).

I do really want to try DMT one day (my previous trips were all 4-aco-met, lsd, 1-p-lsd or shrooms) but the childish urgency I used to feel is all gone now, and I feel I could happily wait many more years


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27060270 - 11/27/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The planet and whole universe works like a symbiotic cell. When one aspect is fucked up, it fucks up other parts with it. Everyone plays a part in the destruction of the planet, not just politicians.

Population DOES need to be curved. There's too much overconsumption going on which is fueled by the greed of American corporations. It starts at the top and trickles down. If it wasn't for the greed of American corporations then Americans wouldn't be so overconsumptive. Right now the planet is diseased. You have all these forces pushing against each other, which means the planet is no longer a symbiotic structure. It is like a diseased body. All of the parts have stopped working the way that they normally should and so the whole system is fucked. Where do you even begin to try to fix anything when everything is connected and influences other parts?. Every little part plays a role within the big scheme of everything.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27060290 - 11/27/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well i think the way we live is more od an issue than how many are living

Genocide of our own species doesnt seem like a reasonable answer.

What difference does curving the population make when the factories still have enough workers to keep running..?

You say the issue is the greed of the corporations, how does a lower population change values or methods..?

I think developing more sustainability would be a better solution than depopulation.

Working to overhaul the system, but im not sure it can be down.

Personally i will work toward my own goals of living more self sustainably with less waste etc and to hopefully teach my children the same and give them a running shot at all this


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27060297 - 11/27/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

well, to answer your question: it starts from the individual.
I agree population does need to be curbed because the standard of living is ever increasing, due to capitalism (best system we have so far).
Terence McKenna consulted the mushroom on what to do about the state of the world to change it. He was given the answer: every woman should have only one child. I posted a thread about this during the summer. I think it is true. It's not fun or convenient. Neither is everyone going back to living in the stone age.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27060303 - 11/27/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yeah man get yourself in condition first :thumbup:


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27060310 - 11/27/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, we need collective action. That obviously involves individuals, but the strongest pressure needs to be on leaders and organizations that actively stand in the way of progress, and addressing issues. There's a lot at play here, but I think we can work to fix many of these core issues at once. We need to regain a sense of class consciousness, and understand that even though most americans (and canadians, everyone in developed countries to be fair) benefit from the exploitation of the worlds resources, most of us are exploited by the systems we keep running. Emancipation for workers, minorities, and addressing climate change will require restructuring many institutions, but we will need to do some of the work from within those same institutions.

This is all pretty big picture stuff though, and its not at all a bad idea to work on whatever manageable changes can be made in your own life. I don't think doing yoga and recycling say is enough to change the world, but it hardly hurts.

as to population, if we provide a reasonable standard of living, population goes down. This has been observed over and over, and with the exception of some religious influences, it will happen in the developing world too if we give them half a chance, with no need for genocide


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27060317 - 11/27/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I agree it all starts on an individual level. Part of the reason why population has skyrocketed so much within the last hundred years is because the standard of living has increased and it has gotten a lot easier to get food. This makes humans lazy and makes them breed uncontrollably.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27060322 - 11/27/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I agree it all starts on an individual level. Part of the reason why population has skyrocketed so much within the last hundred years is because the standard of living has increased and it has gotten a lot easier to get food. This makes humans lazy and makes them breed uncontrollably.




not exactly true, the wealthier and more comfortable countries have declining populations. the evidence all shows education and stability actually leads to a decline in population


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27060365 - 11/27/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wealthy people don't breed it because they already know the problems of overpopulation. Poor people breed too much because they are not smart and it is too easy for them to get food.


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27060380 - 11/27/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Wealthy people don't breed it because they already know the problems of overpopulation. Poor people breed too much because they are not smart and it is too easy for them to get food.




I don't think that's accurate, sorry. There's cultural differences at play, but the biggest thing is access to education, contraception and abortion -and separation of church and state- allow people to actually have choices, and when they do reproduce its usually one or two kids, rather than say, 8. Catholicism has a lot to answer for here, as they in the past actively resisted efforts to provide contraception to the poorer nations.

I don't think the wealthy reproduce less because of altruism, they just dont want to pump out 8 kids because why the hell would you want to do that unless you have a cult telling you you have to, or perhaps you need the free labor -as is often the case in poorer rural communities


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27060442 - 11/27/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Short snippit from the movie Idiocracy, in reference to the discussion on intelligence being proportional to reproduction:

(Skip ahead 40 seconds if you don't have 40 seconds to spare)



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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ch0ppie]
    #27060512 - 11/27/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting

Glad this post was able to spark some "debate" or different thoughts on things going on right now

Always enjoy hearing what others opinions on these matters are


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27060524 - 11/27/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting you said that. I watch david Attenborough on mushrooms and had just got this series and it said in the blurb it had undertones of what we are doing to the planet and was going to watch it on mushrooms. Hahaha sounds like an interesting watch for sure


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ChucklesCheebah]
    #27060526 - 11/27/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

But im after a positive trip so i might watch planet earth part 2 by david Attenborough. I just love watching the nature on the big screen on mushrooms. I dont want a negative vibe though


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Re: Life on earth? [Re: ChucklesCheebah]
    #27060537 - 11/27/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah idk if it was just me or what i need to revisit sober.

Was very random to see it. Went to a friends and we wound up tripping without exactly planning. Spent some time ouside and what not and hanging out and watched thor: ragnorak then he put that on and i was like bro this shit is tripping me the fuck out

Spent the next 4 hours afterward sorting through some shit.

Always interesting to trip in ways you arent use to with different people

I highly recommend those avenger movies or what not and that thor ragnorak seemed pretty good too

Some a1 shit between the comedy and all those visual effects. Very striking visually

Holly hell i was tripping hard and that shit was throwing me for a loop trying to keep up while day dreaming off into space

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Re: Life on earth? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27060600 - 11/27/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah bro out of the avenger movies i love the visuals in doctor strange on a big screen TV.

I will definitely watch that life on earth series sober but from what you wrote it was similar to what someone else said about the series. David was trying to send a message about what he has witnesses happen to our planet in his lifetime and it is supposed to have some darker undertones


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