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Murphy's Law
    #27049560 - 11/20/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's an easy law to disregard, not directly related to physics. But is it true, and thus worthy of philosophical consideration?

"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong"

If only we knew the pitfalls of the heart, we could build a more fool proof system.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
    #27049770 - 11/21/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

"Anything you can perceive, you will perceive, and probably imbue it with energy unconsciously, and bias probability of circumstance in/out of your favor without realizing it."

My take.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27049888 - 11/21/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I agree, once I take over something - it's my responsibility, if I skip part of my duty then, Murphy is in charge. ouch!


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27051438 - 11/22/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree, once I take over something - it's my responsibility, if I skip part of my duty then, Murphy is in charge. ouch!




I'd argue there is only choosing, or choice of perception. To go passive is to choose to not choose intentionally, which is an intention in itself, and therefore still a choice.

Inescapable. All that shifts is your perception and depth of focus.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27051523 - 11/22/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27055043 - 11/24/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If expectation and performance are out of line where expectation is demanding more and performance is lacking then the world oneself whatever there is will coordinate demise


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27055092 - 11/24/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I agree completely with:
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I agree, once I take over something - it's my responsibility, if I skip part of my duty then, Murphy is in charge. ouch!




We are responsible for ourselves.

And also: if you "go with the flow", that which "goes wrong" might become what's right. Suck on that Murphy.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
    #27057545 - 11/25/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Rahz said:
It's an easy law to disregard, not directly related to physics. But is it true, and thus worthy of philosophical consideration?

"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong"

If only we knew the pitfalls of the heart, we could build a more fool proof system.




The point (of Murphy)
is that no amount of planning is ever fool proof.

"Failure to plan, is planning to fail", is common wisdom, but also

“No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.”
― Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

General Eisenhower, combined the 2 views.
"The details of a plan which was designed years in advance are often incorrect, but the planning process demands the thorough exploration of options and contingences. The knowledge gained during this probing is crucial to the selection of appropriate actions as future events unfold."
more at
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/11/18/planning/

So no its not a law, but is a hint to avoid arrogance, which if we look at nuclear power plant disasters, it is obvious humans have failed to heed this good advice. Long before Murphy, the ancient Greeks, considered arrogance one of, or the worst, human fault.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27057910 - 11/25/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Malkuthian said:
I agree completely with:
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redgreenvines said:
I agree, once I take over something - it's my responsibility, if I skip part of my duty then, Murphy is in charge. ouch!




We are responsible for ourselves.

And also: if you "go with the flow", that which "goes wrong" might become what's right. Suck on that Murphy.




Which leads back to my argument that reality is a matter of choice of perception FIRST.

Murphy then moves from law, to opinion, where it rightfully belongs.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: laughingdog]
    #27059235 - 11/26/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It is a hint to avoid arrogance,double check everything, consider more, get a second opinion, and yet even them Murphy's Law still applies because we only know what we know. If something can go wrong, it will. Hindsight is 20/20.

But isn't there a time to throw caution to the wind, lest we never do anything out of fear something will go wrong?


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #27059241 - 11/26/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yes, and Murphy time is not always bad,
so lay all the cards down and take some Murphy for a ride.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27059255 - 11/26/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I say it is a law. Entropy in action, only god's elect survive the process by wing and prayer.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27059795 - 11/27/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I say it is a law. Entropy in action, only god's elect survive the process by wing and prayer.




Entropy means chaos.
Murphy law states that is something will go wrong it will.
If something is predestined to have a specific outcome, it's clearly not chaos but rather complete predictability: the complete opposite of chaos.

Or please explain how Murphy's law is entropy in actions.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27059963 - 11/27/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think Murphy's Law is just a result of a cascade of reactionary societal events. I guess it could be considered chaos that occurs, and it is my opinion that Murphy's Law only exists in so far as shit happens, and when something goes wrong, your consciousness is thrown off, and so you try to control the conditions around you even more and as a result of trying harder over something you have almost no control over, you perceive a bunch of things going wrong. Also it could relate to the butterfly effect but for society. Things go wrong, people are thrown for a loop, and when they try to compensate they're actively going against the general flow of things

Maybe that glass you dropped on the floor was already destined to fall on the floor, and therefore there was nothing you could do...that's just an example, of something I am sure we have all done--dropped something that broke.

Sometimes, reality is weird. For instance I put on a crystal necklace for the first time right after I bought it and it shattered even though it was a solid crystal. It just shattered right off the chain after being put on with a force of 0.00001N or something

Life is unpredictable, in a universe where things are more predictable


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27059966 - 11/27/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Grapefruit said:
I say it is a law. Entropy in action, only god's elect survive the process by wing and prayer.




Entropy means chaos.
Murphy law states that is something will go wrong it will.
If something is predestined to have a specific outcome, it's clearly not chaos but rather complete predictability: the complete opposite of chaos.

Or please explain how Murphy's law is entropy in actions.




I guess to me moving from order to chaos means moving from good to bad. Like disintergration. Like the old hindu myths of the yugas.

Things certainly don't seem to be trending towards becoming more harmonised and unified.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27059981 - 11/27/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So basically you just wanted to use cool words? Try focusing on the essence instead of the surface.

And chaos is not equivalent with bad, nor is order equivalent with good...


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27060060 - 11/27/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I hear butterflies farting all over the place when I drop a glass on the floor. but it's rare. Murphy I guess.


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian]
    #27060164 - 11/27/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You take that back mate, I'm a very precise scientist. :crazy2:


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Grapefruit]
    #27060548 - 11/27/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

"I say it is a law. Entropy in action"


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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
    #27060660 - 11/27/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:yawn:


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