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I need some trip intensifiers.
    #27058864 - 11/26/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Greetings,

I'm a fan of macrodosing my mushrooms but lately it's been giving me horrible gut problems dealing with an ounce of dried material.
I'll be making tea next time around I guess but I'm looking to dial things up to 11 and beyond if possible.

I don't experience bad trips, never have in all my years and I've fallen in love with large doses. Not like I'm growing anything low potency as friends and family are eating 3.5g off the same grows and telling me that's their tap-out point.

I'm aware of smoking pot but I'm looking to really, really, really trip hard. It doesn't have to be the longest duration, I could go for an hour of absolute cranial armageddon. Then just back to my standard contorting spasming mess of a trip. Ideally I'm looking for something that won't fuck my memory of what occurs, it's hard enough to hold onto memories of the trip.
I wouldn't mind something a bit on the physical side either, something that causes sensations of weightlessness and movement might be nice.

I've heard good things about theobromine, I use ephedrine to speed things up as well.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: starbones]
    #27058871 - 11/26/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Look into trip combinations like maybe adding some 2cb into the mix or mescaline

Also I believe Syrian rue can be used to intensify and prolong mushroom trips

Maybe look into nitrous oxide (whippits) they can enhance the experience aswell also maybe MDMA for a candyflip or hippy flip but MDMA usage should only be every 3 months if not longer


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #27058879 - 11/26/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Was lemon tek ever debunked, or is it still legit?

And then there are MAOI's


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: starbones]
    #27058881 - 11/26/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I dosed 250ug lsd along with my 4g mushroom dose and it certainly potentiated the dose by a LOT. I have yet to do so, but I'd like to smoke dmt at the peak of a heavy shrooms trip.

If you don't want to use other substances look into lemon tek. It shortens the trip but makes it hit harder... Also try different species or strains of mushrooms. 3g of my penis envy uncut hits like 5-6g of an average dose.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Rise against]
    #27058884 - 11/26/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh fuck my hat and call me Flash Gordon I forgot about trying syrian rue extract. Any ideas on dosages with extracts and such? Adjust the mushroom level down to something near normal just in case?

There's something beyond the veil and I want to see it,
Will add that one to the list.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: starbones]
    #27058894 - 11/26/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ounce of mushrooms, that's pretty crazy.

Have you tried DMT?


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: starbones]
    #27058897 - 11/26/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I get what you mean by stomach issues. I took a 25g dose last week and got pretty sick. Was a wild ride. I doubt I'll ever dose that high again but would like to breakthrough on dmt.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: starbones]
    #27058916 - 11/26/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh fuck my hat and call me Flash Gordon I forgot about trying syrian rue extract. Any ideas on dosages with extracts and such? Adjust the mushroom level down to something near normal just in case?

There's something beyond the veil and I want to see it,
Will add that one to the list.




Yes Syrian Rue or it's freebased or hcl extracts will work just fine. If you go for extract, use actual freebased or hcl extracts, don't use those 10x, 20x, etc extracts as i've seen a lot of people say they don't work and i'm not convinced they do. Although i must say, either the Rue seed itself or the full spectrum extract, imo/ime is the better way to go, a lot fuller of an effect compared to pure Harmala (isolated Harmine/Harmaline mix) extract, but either way will be fine, it just depends if you want the additional Harmala layers of effects to be in the mix or if the pure Harmalas is just fine for you as is. I prefer more full spectrum but i've also used the isolated Harmalas as well, i just like the full spectrum more.

In terms of dosages, 2.5 to 3 to 4.5 grams of the Rue seed, or 180 to 200mgs of pure Harmala extract, some go as low as 150mgs of pure Harmala extract, but for me personally i usually go for 180 to 200mgs. You can just weigh out the extract on a mg scale and encapsulate it, or you can grind the seeds to a powder in a coffee grinder and encapsulate the powder. But yeah, you'll wanna take a lower dosage of the mushrooms, like 2 to 2.5 grams, maybe 3.5 tops, with more potent mushrooms you'd probably wanna go down to .5 to 1 to 1.5 grams tops, maybe. But yeah Psilohuasca is freakin' amazing imo/ime, definitely check it out. Just be aware the experience will likely be stretched out in duration to 9 to 12 hours, usually 9 to 10 hours but the more Rue/extract you take the more potentiated the duration and the dosage will be. Also the character/nature of the experience will be different, imo it'll be deeper, the Rue/Harmalas have a lot that it adds to the equation which imo makes it better than mushrooms by themselves. Also one can also start trying out admixture plants with the Psilohuasca, or even just mushrooms, and add some "flavor"/variety to the experience. I personally like 3 to 4.5 grams of Lemon Balm tea as an admixture.

Also, be sure to take the mushrooms 30 minutes to an hour after the Rue/extract, for proper potentiation, since that is when gut MAO-A is inhibited to the max. You can try taking them at the same time but it may not work as well or it may not be as potentiated. It'd be better if you used a mushroom tea and drank it 30 minutes to an hour after the Rue/extract. You can also try sipping on the mushroom tea for 10 to 20 minutes to make the come up smoother, which i like especially when using oral DMT instead of mushrooms.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Sabnock]
    #27058923 - 11/26/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I just remembered the times i took the Rue, Acacia Confusa and Lemon Balm, while sipping on the Acacia/Lemon Balm tea (they were mixed together), and it kicked in so smoothly, felt a bit like a psychedelic alcohol in a way lol. It was pretty cool, i miss all this, i need to get back to it at some point but i don't have much free time or the right mindset yet these days like i used to, will take a bit of building up of courage and motivation again to just dive in.

I also remember the time i took Rue, Acacia and Lemon Balm, with like .8 grams of mushroom powder i had left over from one of my grows, and even that low of a dose of mushrooms synergized very nicely with the combo, i want to try that again with different dosages, i recommend the combo.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Sabnock]
    #27058961 - 11/26/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you use rue, or any maoi, don't start with huge doses like an ounce. I'm sure you think you can take it, but just start with normal doses and go up from there. It makes mushrooms a lot stronger.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #27058991 - 11/26/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

starbones said:
Oh fuck my hat and call me Flash Gordon I forgot about trying syrian rue extract. Any ideas on dosages with extracts and such? Adjust the mushroom level down to something near normal just in case?

There's something beyond the veil and I want to see it,
Will add that one to the list.




Yes Syrian Rue or it's freebased or hcl extracts will work just fine. If you go for extract, use actual freebased or hcl extracts, don't use those 10x, 20x, etc extracts as i've seen a lot of people say they don't work and i'm not convinced they do. Although i must say, either the Rue seed itself or the full spectrum extract, imo/ime is the better way to go, a lot fuller of an effect compared to pure Harmala (isolated Harmine/Harmaline mix) extract, but either way will be fine, it just depends if you want the additional Harmala layers of effects to be in the mix or if the pure Harmalas is just fine for you as is. I prefer more full spectrum but i've also used the isolated Harmalas as well, i just like the full spectrum more.

In terms of dosages, 2.5 to 3 to 4.5 grams of the Rue seed, or 180 to 200mgs of pure Harmala extract, some go as low as 150mgs of pure Harmala extract, but for me personally i usually go for 180 to 200mgs. You can just weigh out the extract on a mg scale and encapsulate it, or you can grind the seeds to a powder in a coffee grinder and encapsulate the powder. But yeah, you'll wanna take a lower dosage of the mushrooms, like 2 to 2.5 grams, maybe 3.5 tops, with more potent mushrooms you'd probably wanna go down to .5 to 1 to 1.5 grams tops, maybe. But yeah Psilohuasca is freakin' amazing imo/ime, definitely check it out. Just be aware the experience will likely be stretched out in duration to 9 to 12 hours, usually 9 to 10 hours but the more Rue/extract you take the more potentiated the duration and the dosage will be. Also the character/nature of the experience will be different, imo it'll be deeper, the Rue/Harmalas have a lot that it adds to the equation which imo makes it better than mushrooms by themselves. Also one can also start trying out admixture plants with the Psilohuasca, or even just mushrooms, and add some "flavor"/variety to the experience. I personally like 3 to 4.5 grams of Lemon Balm tea as an admixture.

Also, be sure to take the mushrooms 30 minutes to an hour after the Rue/extract, for proper potentiation, since that is when gut MAO-A is inhibited to the max. You can try taking them at the same time but it may not work as well or it may not be as potentiated. It'd be better if you used a mushroom tea and drank it 30 minutes to an hour after the Rue/extract. You can also try sipping on the mushroom tea for 10 to 20 minutes to make the come up smoother, which i like especially when using oral DMT instead of mushrooms.




Now this is some quality information, I will feel it out at 3.5g and if all systems are go I'll try it again in increasing dosages after a few weeks.

No worries on stretching it out, all I do is fuck around the house and cultivate mushrooms so it sounds like a good time. Might ditch the ephedrine which I was using the speed up the trip. Pot work nicely with the combo?


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: starbones]
    #27059032 - 11/26/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes Cannabis can go pretty well with the combo. A little bit of Caffeine can also go pretty well with the combo, but need to be careful since Caffeine is metabolized by CYP1A2 which Harmalas can also inhibit, so a little bit of Caffeine is good, but too much can make things really jittery.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Sabnock]
    #27059502 - 11/27/20 12:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Starbones, syrian rue is what you want. :thumbup:
It intensifies the mushrooms a lot, like 2x potency and 2x length. It made 3g of mushrooms last ~10 hours, with 6 hours constant peak effects while feeling stronger than 7g. :smirk:

Either take the ground seeds or get pure harmalas (they are legal to buy in many countries). Dose the rue /harmalas 30min before the shrooms.

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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27059593 - 11/27/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Starbones, syrian rue is what you want. :thumbup:
It intensifies the mushrooms a lot, like 2x potency and 2x length. It made 3g of mushrooms last ~10 hours, with 6 hours constant peak effects while feeling stronger than 7g. :smirk:

Either take the ground seeds or get pure harmalas (they are legal to buy in many countries). Dose the rue /harmalas 30min before the shrooms.

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If I remember correctly you wrote somewhere that you don't see it as necessary to grind the seeds. Given that the seeds are what seem to cause nausea for many would you say that cooking the seeds for a while and then drinking the water with seeds filtered out is a good way to go? Or is it less efficient and one would need more seeds?


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: funky123]
    #27059608 - 11/27/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you ingest them raw (in capsuls) then you better grind them to a powder to minimize nausea.

If you want to boil them in water then you don't need to grind them. Powder is way harder to filter out than whole seeds.

Yes, a tea works very well. Just boil them for an hour, then strain out and drink.

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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27059622 - 11/27/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If you ingest them raw (in capsuls) then you better grind them to a powder to minimize nausea.

If you want to boil them in water then you don't need to grind them. Powder is way harder to filter out than whole seeds.

Yes, a tea works very well. Just boil them for an hour, then strain out and drink.

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Maybe that's why so far I didn't get a strong effect from Syrian Rue seeds. I just boiled them for maybe five minutes.

Is there a threshold amount of seeds one has to use? 3g seems to be the usual recommendation. But how about 1g seeds + 1g psilos or 20mg DMT? Would the 1g seeds potentiate a little or would the amount be too small to have any effect because MAO isn't inhibited sufficiently?


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: funky123] * 1
    #27059630 - 11/27/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yes, you have to boil them longer.

When I extract the alkaloids I boil them three times for one hour each. Traditional aya brews boil for half the day or longer. :wink:

1g is very low. Oral dmt won't be activated by this small dose. Mushrooms might be altered /potentiated a bit.

200mg of pure alkaloids is a normal dose to fully inhibit mao. Rue has 4-6 % alkaloids. 1g of rue is 40 to 60 mg of alkaloids.
So 3 to 4 grams of rue seeds is a prefered dose when it comes to oral dmt. For psilohuasca 2 to 3 grams should be ok.

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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27059739 - 11/27/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah 2.5 grams of Rue is a pretty good starting dose, perhaps 2 grams is alright but 2.5 grams is better, made for a hell of a Psilohuasca dose my last trip using 30mgs of 4-ACO.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: Sabnock]
    #27060181 - 11/27/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I, like you, prefer the higher doses. I'm pretty sure some of us just need more.

1. Lemon tek/fruit acids. IME, these make for a faster experience that reaches a higher peak. Any easy way to do this is juice half a lemon or lime into your tea. Also consider just getting citric acid power and mixing it at roughly 1 part to 50 parts fungal material.

2. MAOis/Syrian rue/moclobemide. This does more than just multiply the strength of the journey, it shifts it into a deeper dimension. I would explore both Syrian Rue and isolated harmalas (harmine and/or harmaline, and a very important addition: THH-Tetrahydroharmine). Practice using a MAOi *without* mushrooms a time or two to understand its effects on its own. There are blood pressure issues with MAOis, so I would refrain from ephedrine.

3. Fasting. This helps minimize the risk with MAOis, it also means you have less in the gut to slow absorption. It's probably something else to practice on it's own before using it with a great journey.


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27060581 - 11/27/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Low dose ketamine


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Re: I need some trip intensifiers. [Re: epilectric]
    #27060907 - 11/27/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Smoke a datura flower near the peak, that will spice things up abit :awecid:


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