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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27041694 - 11/16/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Every trip is a drug-induced psychosis.




I think in a sense that is true, although IME there is a big difference between simply tripping (good or bad trip) and a psychotic break.





What you people mean with "psychosis" in this thread is either a psychotic episode which feels bad and maybe even was harmful or a psychotic episode following a trip. For the sake of communication it would make sense to differentiate that. A trip itself is a proper psychotic break - always.

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Psychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. This might involve seeing or hearing things that other people cannot see or hear (hallucinations) and believing things that are not actually true (delusions).





(https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/psychosis/)


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: funky123]
    #27041761 - 11/16/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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funky123 said:
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wolf8312 said:
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funky123 said:
Every trip is a drug-induced psychosis.




I think in a sense that is true, although IME there is a big difference between simply tripping (good or bad trip) and a psychotic break.





What you people mean with "psychosis" in this thread is either a psychotic episode which feels bad and maybe even was harmful or a psychotic episode following a trip. For the sake of communication it would make sense to differentiate that. A trip itself is a proper psychotic break - always.

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Psychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. This might involve seeing or hearing things that other people cannot see or hear (hallucinations) and believing things that are not actually true (delusions).





(https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/psychosis/)





Yeah but although you can take a definition of both psychosis and the effects of psychedelics and appear to match and line them up perfectly in list form, the actual experiences are honestly very distinct. 

If psychosis were to hit me now it would not be anything like an LSD, Aya, or mushroom trip.

During my first psychotic break I actually clean forgot I was tripping for example, and the most salient feature of psychosis for me would be auditory hallucinations/delusions. I think I only ever experienced a delusion once or twice with Anahuasca and the delusions were not persistent. That is not to say I never went to full on hyperspace (total loss of contact with the room I was in) either. The interesting thing about hyperspace/DMT (in comparison) was actually that a significant portion of myself remained pretty sane and rational!

Psychosis is like switching a light on and suddenly existence is a big sick joke with oneself the punchline and tormented center of the whole universe.

It's like suddenly being world famous in a horrifyingly violating manner (you can just feel/see them) as the vidictive universe gleefully watches you breakdown from front row seats.

What began as a humiliating breakdown for me, soon devolved into a fight for my own life, and I ended up literally crying my eyes out, and begging one of my demons not to kill me!

I glimpsed not only into the abyss that night, but also the heartless evil of someone or some (souless) thing who could witness such a tragedy and still remain unmoved. I could see/hear/feel my parents begging for their beloved childs life and knew that my death would be destroying my own family! Pure evil.

It was hell on earth but real while it was happening. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27044263 - 11/17/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey all, just going to generally respond to everything here:

First off, this doc is not about “drugs are bad and make you go crazy”, it’s actually the opposite. But you need to present all sides of an issue.

Drug induced psychosis is most definitely not a myth, ask anyone who’s been through it.  Read "Then I Thought I was a Fish" by Peter Welch.  And there are more than just a handful of reports.  Of these, of course some people have underlying mental illness, maybe all of them, who knows.  But the fact that the trip was a trigger for the psychotic episode (prior to this there was 0 indication of mental illness in their life) would mean that the drug induced psychosis, no?  Am I saying it was the only thing that triggered it? No, almost always there are other factors (lack of sleep, mixing with other drugs, anxiety, etc.)  Would their underlying mental illness (if this is in fact the case) have eventually “come out” another time? Maybe, but maybe not, there’s no way of knowing. I’m just saying I’d like to talk to someone who definitely had no prior diagnosis.

I’m not talking about psychosis as in, you lost touch with reality during your trip.  I’m talking about psychosis long after the drugs have worn off.  Just bc it’s never happened to you doesn’t mean it can’t happen to someone else. Thanks to those who shared their stories and experiences, I’ll be in touch.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: nooneman]
    #27044272 - 11/17/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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i highly doubt that any form of schizophrenia can be treated with psychedelics though.



It was clinically studied in the 50s and 60s as a treatment for schizophrenia, apparently with good success in the early days.

Whether or not there is any merit to it, who knows, but it is mentioned in the early literature as having success for the treatment of schizophrenia. It's certainly worth further clinical study, IMO. Especially given the number of people on here with schizophrenia who don't seem negatively affected by it.




It was more that the therapists themselves would take the LSD in order to try and see what it was like to be a schizo in order to better understand the disease and thus how to treat it.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27044748 - 11/18/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If salvia were included (all one has to do is read trip reports) it would be obvious that many go thru a sort of hell, and many have no idea they took a drug. So it could be called psychosis. Fortunately the trips are brief in real time, although they may not feel that way. In fact it may feel like one can never escape.

Probably the data on datura are similar, and also with some other rather obscure drugs.**

** Re: obscure drugs (aka truly nasty shit) (of course these are not considered psychedelics - but they do show that being an experienced tripper provides no protection from various chemicals and dire mental results) :

Firstly there are those who purposely overdose on benadryl, anti-histamines, and various combinations of these, with DXM, etc. It would seem the artificial induction of 'psychosis', is not that difficult to achieve, if that is what is desired.

Secondly and more strangely:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=voodoo+zombie+drug&t=h_&ia=web&iai=r1-9&page=1&adx=shv1b&sexp=%7B%22prodexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22prdsdexp%22%3A%22c%22%2C%22biaexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22msvrtexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22shv1%22%3A%22b%22%7D

https://listverse.com/2016/12/24/10-zombie-drugs/


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27045678 - 11/18/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As to what the CIA ( & other secret police world wide) has to fuck with peoples' heads, hopefully we will never know.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: funky123]
    #27046635 - 11/19/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Every trip is a drug-induced psychosis.




A temporary one, for sure!

I think most in this thread are referring to potential long-term/permanent effects from certain psychs/dosages of psychs.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27046655 - 11/19/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Me while tripping:"The walls are turning colors and I can see the mathematical matrix that we live in. I also know the meaning of life."

The doctor:"You are clearly experiencing psychosis."



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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27046657 - 11/19/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Me while tripping:"The walls are turning colors and I can see the mathematical matrix that we live in. I also know the meaning of life."

The doctor:"You are clearly experiencing psychosis."




Me: "Here doc, take a hit!"

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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: jessied]
    #27048037 - 11/19/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've definitely experienced this and was also diagnosed hppd because of it. I'm 32 now but this happened around 18 years old (I graduated high school in 07) I was hospitalized my senior year of high school. while growing mush I was fascinated with psychs and the research chem wave was on full effect. I remember going to all good festival with a buddy and bought 3 sheets of white on white which we split and both decided to take half hit every day and not tel any one so we could experience the effects without judgement. This was true dedication I mean I'm talking school,family dinners,work,church all completely tripping. On top of the guarantee daily dose of white on white I was also ordering 25nbome,amt doing dmt extractions and showing people what a dab was when only 10% of people had a clue....oh and did I mention beans (x pills) were also an every weekend occurance. I even got arrested with (182 pieces of blotter) which after being tested contained 25i, 25h, and 25cnbome but the analogue law wasn't around yet and these chemicals weren't on the controlled substance list (insane right)
Well the psychosis came when on a Friday I stopped taking anything but was basically paranoid schizophrenic until the following wendsday....thinking garbage men were gonna kidnap me,watching tv and thinking shows were created using my life as a guideline.....insane shit is that I remember it all like it was yesterday  I told my parents I needed to go to the hospital cause I just smoked weed and think I was poisoned (blood tests came back with only tchc in very large ng/ml ,traces of cocaine and ecstacy,) and I was too paranoid to tell the doctors about the lsd until later in life at therapy....But ya I've definitely experienced what doctors have called psychosis due to hallucinogens so message me if u got any questions I'd love to share my story....Lord knows most of my hometown already knows anyway haha


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #27049797 - 11/21/20 02:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Drug induced psychosis is mostly a myth, anti-drug propaganda left over from the 60s. The reality is that even people with schizophrenia can use psychedelics safely, and in fact psychedelics used to be used medically for the treatment of schizophrenia, with good effect. It's more likely that the very rare handful of reports of stuff like this happening are actually just people with mental illness who decide to use psychedelics, not psychedelics causing mental illness.

The sheer number of users here who use lots of psychedelics regularly should show how safe they are. We have millions of unique viewers visiting the forums every month. And we've been around for many years.

If psychedelics caused what you're talking about, then we'd all be crazy by now.





Schizophrenic (among other things) here that took mushrooms for the first time a week ago, despite everyone telling me it would make me permanently insane. I'm fucking fine... The colors were pretty...


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: zeusophobia1]
    #27053296 - 11/23/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A fairly new term we can use to describe tripping, particularly when the user has lost most or all contact with reality or self is hallucinosis. Hallucinosis is classed as it's own "condition" in that it's incredibly short lived (duration of drug's effects much more frequently shorter) and typically responds entirely to deescalation and without medical intervention, though in severe cases anxiolytics may be administered for the safety of the person or their sitter(s).


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: Lophophora]
    #27054397 - 11/23/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cool new vocabulary. I like it.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: Northerner]
    #27058146 - 11/26/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

does hallucinosis include everything that could happen including short lived MPD, possession, sleepwalking, jumping through your living room window...?

some of those experiences feel like psychosis more than hallucination.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27058462 - 11/26/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A friend of mine used to take lsd, mushrooms, and smoke weed with me all the time and had no problems. Then later on in life he got a prescription for Adderall and would take too much and not sleep for days. He started seeing tornadoes that weren't there and he had a serious psychotic episode where he thought aliens were talking to him from inside his walls. Now he stopped taking all drugs but is still psychotic. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Now he can't sleep well because he says demons are torturing him for starting a holy war against the devil. He "figured out" the demons were coming though a portal on the bookshelf due to books and movies of witchcraft. So he burned all his Harry Potter dvds thinking it would help. Then he said demons were causing rashes all over him as revenge. They were really just a little acne on his face. It really sucks because now the friend I used to know is gone. He's not himself anymore.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27058467 - 11/26/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have. Back when I was a teenager. Literally had an assassination attempt on my life through drug use. If I didn’t take the substances offered, I would’ve been fine. Being a young, dumb pothead though, I was at a point of exploration in life and would try nearly anything. Needless to say, I did a huge dose of 2CE, and then snorted what I was told was cocaine, only to be told as soon as I I said sniffed it that it was some benzo that was active in the milligram range. I just snorted a huge, coke sized line. Anyway, I went to the hospital, had my stomach pumped, and spent days in ICU. All the while screaming and attacking the staff, absolutely convinced I was already dead. Sad times guys. Be careful out there.

EDIT: psychosis, hallucinosis, whatever you want to call it. I was completely detached from reality in a very bad way. It was a direct result of my absolutely irresponsible drug use.


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Re: Who's experienced drug-induced psychosis? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27063108 - 11/29/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hallucinosis would include anything mental or cognitive within the psychedelic experience. For it to be considered psychosis it needs to extend beyond the longest possible duration of the drug's effects.


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