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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: Ice9]
    #27054842 - 11/24/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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My aunt's a janitor at a middle school, she's making $75k+ a year, weekends off and reduced schedule over the summer, kickass benefits and a pension where she'll be taking home $50k+ a year when she retires



That sounds like a lot, I wonder how much the teachers make?




My uncle is a head custodian, makes 80k without the insane overtime he puts in.Pension is based on 3 highest earning years which he confided to me all broke 6 figures.  He is close to retirement, just need to get past covid (oh he works in one of the wealthiest towns in the nation, and has been there so long he is grandfathered into all sorts of beneficial things for him.)



Dude the reason your aunt gets paid so much is because her husband is the head janitor. She would be making about $15 an hour if her husband wasn't the head janitor.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27054908 - 11/24/20 04:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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My aunt's a janitor at a middle school, she's making $75k+ a year, weekends off and reduced schedule over the summer, kickass benefits and a pension where she'll be taking home $50k+ a year when she retires



That sounds like a lot, I wonder how much the teachers make?




My uncle is a head custodian, makes 80k without the insane overtime he puts in.Pension is based on 3 highest earning years which he confided to me all broke 6 figures.  He is close to retirement, just need to get past covid (oh he works in one of the wealthiest towns in the nation, and has been there so long he is grandfathered into all sorts of beneficial things for him.)



Dude the reason your aunt gets paid so much is because her husband is the head janitor. She would be making about $15 an hour if her husband wasn't the head janitor.




No, Ice9 is not my brother.

Psi the custodians actually make more than the teachers in my district typically, they start off around 50k and get 1-2% cost of living increase yearly and then 4-5% raise for performance reviews. Overtime is mandatory double time. The school rents out the gym to pickup sports leagues at night and she makes $75/hr just to be in the building while they're there and sweep afterwards, she probably takes home closer to 90k since 75 is just the base pay.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: Psion]
    #27054973 - 11/24/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I really think you missed all of my points




what points? that democrats are evil, just like republicans? that's like comparing your older brother stealing some of your halloween candy to hitler at this point. there's corruption in both sides, yes, but the difference is laughably one-sided, because unlike the right, the left will happily turn on any politicians who show signs of turning rogue. what happens when a politician on the right decides to call for the murder of a rival on the left?

the right backs them up.

that shit is NOT OK. EVER.

if obama had tried something like that on a state governor, the left would have been calling for his impeachment. unless of course, said governor was like... a second actual hilter causing thousands of US citizen deaths or something. but a governor calling for mask mandates trying to protect lives? heck no! the left would have rightly considered him unfit to continue as president due to mental health issues.

as for open borders, it would immediately lead to people focusing on one of america's biggest problems: our absolute godsforsaken PIECE OF SHIT that is our immigration system. it takes DECADES to immigrate legally for many people, costing thousands of dollars. i know this firsthand, because my own mother immigrated legally from mexico, as did her brother. it took her brother over 15 years, 2 rejections, and at least 3500$ just to attain legal citizenship. he started trying when he was 15. he had the advantage of knowing english, having a job, and my mother being a legal immigrant and knowing the process. that's how fucked up the system is. oh, and he lived in TJ, so he was at the border and close by.

most people who want to legally immigrate do not have any of those advantages. regardless, it should not take that fucking long just to process a single application. it's one thing to make sure people are able to take care of themselves when they move here (seeing if they have a job lined up, for instance, or enough cash assets/education). it's another thing entirely to have the application take so long that people expire of old age/are past their prime working years by the time the application is actually processed.

and why should we want these immigrants? because, they're effing amazing. statistically, they're less likely to commit crimes, more productive, and they bring fresh healthy new genes to our gene pool. (read: more genetic diversity = healthier babies overall, less disease.) they come here with a purpose, with dreams. they don't want to eff that up by getting into trouble with the law. they want to open up a new business, or pursue the american dream, or they happen to be a doctor or other advanced science degree from another country. (not all immigrants are your stereotypical poor mexican with no degree, you know...)

we'd be fools to reject an infusion of a younger, healthier population from other countries when our own population is only 0.59% and falling every year. at this rate we'll wind up like japan, with an aging workforce and falling population and not enough people to take care of it. all because of our own racism.




100% agree that the immigration system needs to be fixed. I work with people who have been waiting on green cards for decades with no end in sight.

The point I was making is that the establishment will not make it happen because they love the cheap labor.

Tell me why have we had 3 cycles in the 2000s (bush, obama and trump) where the president at the time's party held control of both house and senate but failed to pass meaningful immigration legislation?


Pull your head out your ass, you have been brainwashed to scapegoat while they laugh all the way to the bank.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27054987 - 11/24/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Damn... I think I'll shall be a janitor once I hit a certain age, but fuck elementary, middle, and highschool. I'm cleaning out colleges.

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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27055117 - 11/24/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

anyone with faith in a political party needs to be shot


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27056261 - 11/24/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've worked several retail jobs. I know what I'm talking about. And I'm not going to use the reply function right now.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 3
    #27056294 - 11/24/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Do you remember gas being a buck? Cigs 50 cents a pack? any coin any drink nights at bars? 10-20 dollar concerts? All that being affordable while working in a factory, retail, fast food, etc...job with a HS diploma or GED, or even not one of those? Then the corps/capitalists found a way to take that small bit of paradise from the common man by overseas production/manufacturing jobs so they wouldn't have to pay a decent wage and share the millions and billions in profits with the very core of the business that made them wealthy. GREEDY FUCKING FUCKS! Gee, I wonder why the motor city and flint all the auto producing cit9ies went to shit, hmmmm, I can't for the life of me figure this shit out, hmmmmmm....

If everyone has a college degree and wants high paying jobs then who will do the menial tasks/jobs? AI/robots aren't advanced enough yet. What are you like barely 20yo or so? Just how many of these "several retail jobs" have you had? I'm sure you're a seasoned vet in the hard labor workforce huh? Got callouses on your hands folding sweaters did you? Catch a cold handling money? Long grueling hours in the hot sun with backbreaking lifting of heavy stuff get to you did it?:rolleyes: Not everyone wants a fucking caddy, volvo or mercedes.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27056325 - 11/24/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don’t keep up with politics at all, there all a load of lying thief’s and full of false promises. I’m brown by the way. Blue collar and American citizen, I can’t believe how many minorities voted for joe. From what I’ve heard he’s gonna fuck up hard working Americans jobs to favor lazy bums and give em more benefits, who the hell will pay for those Benefits if it ain’t blue collar workers, I ain’t against tree hungers either but let’s get real people. If he shuts down refineries how are we gonna have oil gas electricity and plastics. Yall gonna import that shit from China aswell?  I guess it doesn’t mater to a lot of people at least it won’t for a while.. till he fucks up our economy..He’s been in office for decades, I thought trump was a laughing stock but this guy is something else. WTF is this world coming down to.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27056330 - 11/24/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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100% agree that the immigration system needs to be fixed. I work with people who have been waiting on green cards for decades with no end in sight.

The point I was making is that the establishment will not make it happen because they love the cheap labor.

Tell me why have we had 3 cycles in the 2000s (bush, obama and trump) where the president at the time's party held control of both house and senate but failed to pass meaningful immigration legislation?


Pull your head out your ass, you have been brainwashed to scapegoat while they laugh all the way to the bank.




well, to put it bluntly... because two of those cycles the control was in the hands of a party that is blatantly racist, and in the last cycle, during the only two years there was a chance of it, obama was kind of juggling with multiple disasters caused by nature, the last administration, and the world at large. not that i'm excusing him, mind you, but he did have a busy plate already - it's hard to cram even more legislation down the throats of the senate and house when they're already known for their dithering and bickering at every issue, even at the best of times. as it is, he at least used executive actions to pass SOME measures of reforms, even if trump decided to go pure Dr. Evil and destroy whatever he could with reversals and encouraging outright bigotry in the general populace.

again, you're comparing molehills to Olympus Mons here in the two parties. don't think democrats aren't disappointed in their own party for not doing enough for immigration legislation - but unlike republicans, when our politicians disappoint us, we don't go "oh well, our representative has gone FULL ON EVIL, let's continue to vote for them", we instead will happily raise hell over it. that fact, and a combination of voter suppression/gerrymandering/general apathy is the ONLY reason the GOP is even still able to stay relevant enough to win elections anymore.

there's a reason why these last couple presidential elections were decided by only several thousand voters, yet the actual difference in votes were several million apart. the electoral college is a disgusting relic of the past that needs to be discarded - the constitution may have been a great idea for its time, but other countries have come up with MUCH better constitution "2.0s" if you will from our original.

it's time for us to look to what they learned from us, and make a constitution "3.0" and take the lead once more, or become a relic in truth.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27056363 - 11/24/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I feel like the only people working in retail and restaurants should be high schoolers or college students.



Of the many horrible takes in this thread this has got to be the god damned dumbest one.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27056367 - 11/24/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don't care about material things anymore. Nobody should be driving stupid luxury vehicles. Nobody should be living in mansions either. Back before the recession and housing market crash of 2008 I was set to become a designer and make six figures. My dreams got shattered in 2008. I have had to find myself again and again and again. there are only so many fucking things on the planet that I'm interested in enough to take on a job in that field which I am qualified for. I would rather commit suicide than go back to working in retail or restaurants again. maybe if I were getting 40 or 50 thousand a year to be a janitor maybe I would do it for a little bit but not for life. my dream is now to get my biochemistry degree and go on to graduate school and do my thesis on something related to psychedelics and Neuroscience. my new dream is to dedicate my life to psychedelic drug research so that it can one day be legalized. but because of the fucking cost-of-living and because of having to jump from job to job it is taking me way longer than I anticipated. I just hate to see a good brain go to waste. Someone who is smart and intelligent enough to understand science should be getting degrees in science not working retail jobs. I'm actually really better about society.

I see what you mean. In the 90s it was not looked down upon to have an $8 an hour retail or restaurant job. Gas was $1.99 when I first got my license. my cell phone bill was $30 a month in 2005 but that was all anybody needed back then. Nobody needed unlimited minutes and unlimited data. One of the problems now is that people have too many desires. people want a faster phone than what they have already or a faster car than what they have already or a bigger house than what they have already. people are not satisfied with the way things are and I think it is absolutely ridiculous.

to be honest people should be making their own food at home instead of going out to restaurants. The food at restaurants is like quadruple the price that you would pay for it in the grocery stores and making a home cooked meal at home is a lot more healthier than eating at restaurants.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27056369 - 11/24/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Now I'm even more confused by that shit take.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: jewunit]
    #27056371 - 11/24/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Those jobs don't require any real skill or real education. having a good memory and being able to run around like a chicken with your head cut off is not a skill. I'm not saying that is a bad thing it is what it is. But I'm a firm believer in The brave New world book. Everyone has a place in society and everyone should be happy doing what they do. most people who work retail don't fucking like the job at all and the same goes with people who work in restaurants. I mean on the surface they all say that they enjoy their jobs and they like going to work but deep down that is not how they really feel. the only people that I could really really see that could really enjoy a retail job or people who are mentally challenged.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: jewunit]
    #27056373 - 11/24/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Don't try to understand anything I say. I change my mind frequently and I don't keep up with politics and I'm just bitter about the world and about the job market.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27056378 - 11/24/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Enjoy your biochem degree that requires the lack of skill like good memory :shrug:


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: Sackattack1] * 1
    #27056381 - 11/24/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I don’t keep up with politics at all, there all a load of lying thief’s and full of false promises. I’m brown by the way. Blue collar and American citizen, I can’t believe how many minorities voted for joe. From what I’ve heard he’s gonna fuck up hard working Americans jobs to favor lazy bums and give em more benefits, who the hell will pay for those Benefits if it ain’t blue collar workers, I ain’t against tree hungers either but let’s get real people. If he shuts down refineries how are we gonna have oil gas electricity and plastics. Yall gonna import that shit from China aswell?  I guess it doesn’t mater to a lot of people at least it won’t for a while.. till he fucks up our economy..He’s been in office for decades, I thought trump was a laughing stock but this guy is something else. WTF is this world coming down to.




erm... the rich will pay for it, naturally. like they should have been in the first place, because they're evading taxes through loopholes. many rich pay less % in taxes than those poorer in them. they're the real welfare queens, in truth, making millions or billions while the poor make scraps and are forced to survive and use government welfare programs just to survive (read: taxpayer dollars), because the rich aren't paying them living wages. in other words, the government is subsidizing the rich.

any company who can't pay all their workers a living wage... is not a company that should be kept afloat in a free market, no? it should simply be left to go out of business, as it's not a sustainable business model. so why are we letting wal-mart, mcdonalds, starbucks, and all these other megacompanys pay workers absolute SHIT for wages, forcing them to rely on food stamps and other government programs just to survive, just so they can make more profit? we, as taxpayers, are footing that bill. for walmart.

the costs will be covered by taxing the rich, essentially those who make $400,000 a year or more. unless you make this much, you're not going to be seeing any increased taxes. if you do...you're probably not going to be caring much anyways, or if you do...maybe you need to get your priorities straight. like maybe stop buying so many mansions, i dunno. isn't one enough? do you really need 10? <_<;

the lazy bum stereotype is a lie perpetuated by the GOP - almost all food stamp recipients are most assuredly not lazy bums. for one thing, you need to be working to receive them for most people. (or be disabled or some other good reason, and believe me...they check.) for another, in case you didn't realize... those people are also taxpayers. they kind of, you know... paid into the food stamps system too. so they kind of, you know, are entitled to it. it's sort of, you know, there for any american citizen who needs it. also, there's been studies on the amount of fraud, such as people selling their food stamps money for drugs or the like, and they found that the amount of fraud use was below 1%. keep in mind this is any kind of fraud - much of this is much more innocent. for instance, a store ringing up a nonfood item as food to help out a customer in need, such as shampoo. (because seriously, fuck the government and it's stupidity. shampoo is an essential item. hygiene is important.) or someone selling their food stamps to a friend for cash in order to get much needed money for a car repair, so they can continue to get to work. selling food stamps for drugs is something that CAN happen, but it's one of those mythical unicorns that practically never happens. the other two scenarios though? much more common, because people who use food stamps almost never have available cash for essential items like car repairs and shampoo. (and seriously, drugs are a luxury when you're this poor.)

as for oil, gas, electricty, and plastics? that's easy. if we're shutting down refineries, we're doing so because we're weaning off the need for oil and gas. that said, refineries are likely not going to be shut down, because they're also used for plastic making, and plastics are never going to go away - what we need is better recycling methods. thankfully, there is research in this. some scientists have found a way to modify a refinery to essentially melt down old plastics and crack em in a refinery like oil, turning them into virgin plastics again. they think they can modify old refineries and use them as recycling plants this way, which is promising, as it may be the holy grail for plastics - a fully closed loop of recycling instead just the "sorta like new recycling" we currently have.

for electricity, there's solar, wind, water, and hopefully fusion soon. new advances in battery technology, along with other options like gravity-based energy storage (think of things like pumping water into an elevated reservoir, or hauling minecarts filled with rocks up a mountain then releasing them down a specialized railway to regain the energy used to haul them up) will allow us to store these renewable energy sources and wean us off fossil fuels entirely. there's no reason for fossil fuels at all except sheer laziness and refusal to change. innovation doesn't ruin an economy - it causes new jobs, new growth, and breathes new life into it. what happened when we invented cars, computers, the internet? did the economy tank? please. sure, maybe the market for horses did. maybe the market for paperback books. but HOLY SHIT did the economy explode with each of these inventions. this wasn't some minor boost. it was exponential for each of these. cars dramatically increased the distance people could travel to work and how far goods could get to market. the computer...well, we all know what the computer did, as did the internet.

there is absolutely nothing to fear from a Green New Deal, except your own refusal to adapt to changing times. but if 2020 has taught us anything, its that change is like the wind - it will come gently, or it will come like a storm, but it will come regardless of your wishes. you can bend and flow with the changes, or resist and be toppled over. the choice is yours to make, but the refusal to make a choice is the same as choosing to resist.

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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: jewunit]
    #27056385 - 11/24/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Enjoy your biochem degree that requires the lack of skill like good memory :shrug:



dude I'm extremely intuitive and I love to figure shit out. I got an A in both college algebra and trigonometry and my trig professor even told me that based on the types of questions I asked in class he can tell that I'm PhD material. He says I ask more analytical questions than I do just the basic question and answer type of questions.

I'm teaching myself precalculus (which is really just college algebra and trig put together) and calculus 1 and 2 before I actually take the classes so that I know what the professor is talking about. I'm also going to read the chemistry textbook before I actually take the class. This is the one fucking thing on the planet that I'm passionate enough about to actually study math on my own. Math is not even my favorite subject I actually don't even like math but I like it better than I did when I was a kid. I owe that all to having a really really good professor for trigonometry. He made me enjoy doing math and taking trigonometry helped me to get the connection with algebra. I do have a great memory and my professor says that if we have not memorized the sin/cos/ of 30 45 and 60 and each of those increments by the time we get to calculus 2 then we can forget about getting a good grade in that class. I'm glad I took trigonometry because it will help me understand calculus a lot better.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27056387 - 11/24/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Never said you weren't smart but I'm glad you felt the need to type that out to prove you are. Just reminding you that your great memory is a skilless talent.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: jewunit]
    #27056388 - 11/24/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Never said you weren't smart but I'm glad you felt the need to type that out to prove you are. Just reminding you that your great memory is a skilless talent.



Not when you can memorize formulas and theorems and sines and cosines and tangents. Most people don't even know how to figure out what x is when I give them a problem like 2x + 8 = 16 even with easy even numbers.

being able to recall the kind of salad dressing and the kind of drinks that your customers want is not a valuable memory skillset. according to psychology 101, everybody should be able to recall at least seven items in their short-term memory. Most people short term memory can hold about 7 things that a Time. whether this is a list of seven items you need from the grocery store or seven different drinks that customers want, seven is the number that psychologists agreed upon which everyone should be able to recall with a normal working memory.


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Re: Biden isn't taking your guns away but he's taking your 45 away. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27056395 - 11/24/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You memorized the two steps it takes to solve for x, and maybe my algebra's a bit off but I think 2 is less than 7. Excellent example.


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