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    #27056115 - 11/24/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)









Havent taken a spore print yet and am waiting on it now.
I am rather certain these are psilocybe but i have no idea which one.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056135 - 11/24/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

looks like hypholoma


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056157 - 11/24/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Do hypholoma have a pellicle?


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056166 - 11/24/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

idk not like psilocybe which has a rubbery stretchy jello feel. need more info and better pics to say what species but when i look at your pics i see hypholoma. what were they growing on did they bruise? where were they found?


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056170 - 11/24/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just looked at pictures of hypholomas and it definitely is not. Wasnt growing like they do.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056174 - 11/24/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Was found in mulch/dirt
Rather tough stems.
What kind of pictures? Angles and such.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056176 - 11/24/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Whats funny is i think they were growing near hypholomas. Yellow gills and such.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056184 - 11/24/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yeah they're just weathered. they will print purple-brown

unless im missing something like bruising. as far as better pics go take pictures of them in habitat for easiest identification and fill out the form


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056190 - 11/24/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Be careful. Hypholoma is a varied genus. They can be gregarious, clustered, and even solitary. Compare fasciculare to dispersum to see what I mean.

Regarding your specimen, does it bruise blue?


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056206 - 11/24/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hollow stem. Looks like purple black spores on 1 of the stems.
See a little blue on a cap but am not quite 100% that its blue.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056212 - 11/24/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Where is da blu??  Where is da stark white stem?


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056213 - 11/24/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You said there was a pellicle. Is it separable? Also is the cap margin striate?


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #27056224 - 11/24/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what it is, but it ain't no sillycybe of any kind.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056227 - 11/24/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it looks like the pellicle came off unless its just the top of the cap coming off.
Still unsure what striate means.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056232 - 11/24/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can see the gills through the cap on the edges if that helps.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27056236 - 11/24/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You wont find a stark white stem in even the majority of Psilocybes. I don't think it is a Psilocybe either but I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out for that reason.

What concerns me more than the dark stem is the cap. It is viscid but I don't see any striations or separable pellicle. By separable I mean you can break the cap from the underside and it will still be held together by a thin, viscid layer on the top if the cap.

Striated means you can see little lines running north/south around the edge of the cap. See the first picture in my signature for an example.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056237 - 11/24/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Am seeing blue bruising on 1 of the caps. Its definitely bluer than earlier.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056249 - 11/24/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

and yes the cap is striate.
And yes the stem is a reddish color.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056251 - 11/24/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Am seeing blue bruising on 1 of the caps. Its definitely bluer than earlier.




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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #27056253 - 11/24/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You wont find a stark white stem in even the majority of Psilocybes. I don't think it is a Psilocybe either but I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out for that reason.




That's not the only reason I'm ruling out psilocybe. The main reason is because they don't look like - AT ALL- like any psilocybe I've seen.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056260 - 11/24/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There is a pellicle


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056262 - 11/24/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cant the stem go darker with age?


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: ZenZone]
    #27056265 - 11/24/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Fair enough. OP another problem is the cap doesnt appear to be hygrophenous. In the first photo it looks wet, in the last it looks dry. If it was a Psilocybe you would have seen a very distinct color changing sort of effect as it dried.

And to answer your question about the stem: yes, psilocybe stems tend to darken with age, often turning reddish. Everything you're describing sounds like a Psilocybe, but the pictures do not look like a psilocybe. You either need better pictures, or you need to examine the features more objectively.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #27056269 - 11/24/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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All mushrooms have a pellicle - According to How to Identify Mushrooms to Genus V, A pellicle is "The outermost layer of a sporocarp; often used only for a surface that is viscid and peels off with ease."




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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27056299 - 11/24/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Am seeing blue bruising on 1 of the caps. Its definitely bluer than earlier.




pics?




It is too faint to get on picture.
Not even 100% on that anyway since its not showing on all specimens.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056324 - 11/24/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude]
    #27056427 - 11/24/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm okay that looks a bit more promising. Don't eat it but take more photos (one of the gills in better lighting especially) if you can and save the spores. Hopefully we can get a TI in here.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #27057257 - 11/25/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Hmmm okay that looks a bit more promising. Don't eat it but take more photos (one of the gills in better lighting especially) if you can and save the spores. Hopefully we can get a TI in here.




Making sure i get the spore print so im not messing with them.
They all are a bit dried out now so as for more pictures none more unless more grow.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: 1kldude] * 1
    #27059614 - 11/27/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Making sure i get the spore print so im not messing with them.




Either if Hypholoma or Psilocybe the spore print will be similar looking - i.e. dark purplish brown to almost black.

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They all are a bit dried out now so as for more pictures none more unless more grow.




Find some more fresh ones and take better pictures, i.e. in situ and detailed close up shots of intact specimens.


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Re: Psilocybe ID [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27061018 - 11/28/20 01:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Excellent. You're a saint, Mr Anglerfish. You wouldn't believe the kinda mileage I've gotten out of your instruction on IDing Psathyrella to genus.

OP, if you still have the specimen it may not be to late to figure out what it is. If it bruises blue you will probably know by now. I'm invested in the mystery now so I'll be here even if no ones else cares. Besides an in situ shot which it is kinda too late for, the #1 thing I'd need to ID this mushroom to genus is a well lit gill shot. Well lit means natural daylight, or white (not yellow) light. The flash on your phone should do the trick in a pinch.

For future reference, you can get all macroscopic ID features in one shot every single time if you have at least two specimens. Leave on in place (where it is growing) and put the other one next to it, gills facing up.


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