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Gymnopilus luteofolius? * 1
    #27055922 - 11/24/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Growing from a telephone pole in an urban residential area. Not gonna eat for that reason, but I'd like to know if my ID is correct.





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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: ApostleofAzathoth] * 1
    #27056276 - 11/24/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

somewhere about there its definitely an active gymn save your spores


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: MadMuncher] * 1
    #27056280 - 11/24/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Gymnopilus for sure


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: MadMuncher] * 1
    #27056326 - 11/24/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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MadMuncher said:
somewhere about there its definitely an active gymn save your spores



:whathesaid: to put it briefly


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Moria841]
    #27056420 - 11/24/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

To put it less briefly, would these being in the PNW make them Gymnopilus thiersii? I think that is what you told me last time I found these and I haven't seen that species referenced since. Might be an interesting topic to read up on if there's a source you'd reccomend.


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #27056425 - 11/24/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

G. luteofolius likely doesn't occur in the PNW considering it was described from birch wood in New York. G. thiersii could be a possibility, but there are also a few others


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Moria841]
    #27056440 - 11/24/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Could you list the possibilities or point me to some literature on the related species?


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #27056730 - 11/25/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

google scholar > G. thiersii >enter


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: the man]
    #27056940 - 11/25/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Iirc Alan said that G. thiersii and G. dilepis were the most likely possibilities


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Moria841]
    #27066226 - 12/01/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

These are G. thiersii. The dark purple coloring is very distinctive.


Edited by mycot (12/01/20 12:39 PM)


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: mycot]
    #27066528 - 12/01/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Gymnopilus thiersii and dilepis look very similar, particularly when young. I've learned that it's very difficult to almost impossible to identify some Gymnopilus to species level based solely on macro characteristics.


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Doc9151]
    #27067359 - 12/01/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Gymnopilus thiersii and dilepis look very similar, particularly when young. I've learned that it's very difficult to almost impossible to identify some Gymnopilus to species level based solely on macro characteristics.




I'm fully cognizant that the two species may be relatively close to each other in appearance which is why I referred to the coloring.
I'm actually an AI which has scoured the internet and looked at practically every available image of these two species. Through a process of machine learning I've come to be able to distinguish between the two on occasions.
I invite you to do something similar and if you don't end up deciding that it is G.thiersii then maybe I might have a better eye than yourself, no disrespect intended.


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: mycot]
    #27067388 - 12/01/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This might help. There is a full pdf somewhere out there but can’t find it.

http://www.librifungorum.org/Image.asp?Nav=yes&FirstPage=63329&LastPage=64070&NextPage=63551


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: mycot]
    #27067423 - 12/02/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm actually an AI which has scoured the internet and looked at practically every available image of these two species. Through a process of machine learning I've come to be able to distinguish between the two on occasions.





:wat:


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Moria841]
    #27067441 - 12/02/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well there's ways of deciding for certain if the specimen is still available.
I'll leave it at that.


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #27068196 - 12/02/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That's interesting it was coming out of a telephone pole, they use some nasty chemicals to treat those same with railroad ties


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #27068277 - 12/02/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That's interesting it was coming out of a telephone pole, they use some nasty chemicals to treat those same with railroad ties



Most of the observations in my area for this clade of Gymnopilus are of them growing out of treated wood, including fences and painted doors


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #27068331 - 12/02/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That's interesting it was coming out of a telephone pole, they use some nasty chemicals to treat those same with railroad ties




Its called creosote treated lumber/wood products. Creasote is some nasty nasty shit for humans and to an extent the environment.

Neolentinus lepideus will also grow from creosote treated woods.


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27068411 - 12/02/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hard to think of reasons why a woodlover may prefer creosote treated timber.
Any ideas?


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: mycot]
    #27068434 - 12/02/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

my thoughts: they like really old wood, but theres lots of competing decomposers that usually start eating wood as soon as its dead. the creosote probably keeps other stuff from growing on it and breaking it down into soil until its really old and prime for gymns


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27068624 - 12/02/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That makes sense, because normally that dead wood would be protected against decomposers and fungi by the bark which they have to get past.


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: Moria841]
    #27068725 - 12/02/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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That's interesting it was coming out of a telephone pole, they use some nasty chemicals to treat those same with railroad ties



Most of the observations in my area for this clade of Gymnopilus are of them growing out of treated wood, including fences and painted doors



That could explain some of the more terrifying gym trips. I always see ovoids growing along busy wooded roads, where they cut trees and spray glycosphate for the power lines. Definitely wouldn't eat them lol. there is conflicting info on whether or not mushrooms absorb toxins from the environment but I've seen them get sprayed by a poison truck so probably best to stay away.


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Re: Gymnopilus luteofolius? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27068978 - 12/02/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Another possible and compatable reason is that they are simply very aggressive saprotrophs. Not quite as voracious as Pleurotus or some Psilocybe, but quite hardy nonetheless. Many such cases of them growing from unexpected places, one being a boat belonging to Paul Stamets



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