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I wanted to reiterate about encrypting manually. The old hansa had a check box for the server to automatically encrypt a message using your pgp key. Well, the DEA raided the server and ran the website for a month. They changed the source code so they could capture messages to anyone who used to the automatic encryption option. Not much came of this I think, but regardless. Copy paste your encrypted messages
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ogla]
#27049409 - 11/20/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah those check boxes are dodgy. Bad mojo putting your security in someone else's hands.
They appear on most markets, right next to a warning that you shouldn't use it. It's only for dummies who can't figure out how to use a PGP client.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Northerner]
#27049507 - 11/20/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I remember when I first started I thought pgp was difficult but then I actually tried to do it and it’s so easy. Tails PGP is super easy at least.
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Are there additional opinions / contradictions ?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27052834 - 11/22/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27053088 - 11/22/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you talking to me? Are you asking what’s better about tails over other PGP programs?
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I was just asking everyone for their opinions on both Tor and the Darknet. You're welcome to add info / chime in.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27054939 - 11/24/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does anyone have any pros/cons regarding Zelle Pay and/or Paxful?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27055129 - 11/24/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not at all.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27055167 - 11/24/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Study The CNS said: Does anyone have any pros/cons regarding Zelle Pay and/or Paxful?
Paypal recently got into the btc game. I use cashapp but only because paypal wasnt an option when I signed up.
From there to green wallet > blender/tumble > dnm
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27055172 - 11/24/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Related question: what do people think of p.o. boxes vs. mailbox solutions like the ups store?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27055266 - 11/24/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was using a private mail box service. This was mostly because i was traveling, but nonetheless was a sweet deal. I paid $45 for 3 months. I used two forms of photo ID. This was preferable to a PO box for several reasons. It was cheaper (po box is like $60 a month), you could open with less credentials (po box needs line of credit or morgage and proof of local residence), and it was a pyhsical address. This was very nice being able to receive mail while being away from home and not using a work address. Different mail box services have different requirements for opening a mail box
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losfreddy said: I was using a private mail box service. This was mostly because i was traveling, but nonetheless was a sweet deal. I paid $45 for 3 months. I used two forms of photo ID. This was preferable to a PO box for several reasons. It was cheaper (po box is like $60 a month), you could open with less credentials (po box needs line of credit or morgage and proof of local residence), and it was a pyhsical address. This was very nice being able to receive mail while being away from home and not using a work address. Different mail box services have different requirements for opening a mail box
Wow, in my area a p.o. box at the post office is $64 per year and only requires a single piece of id.
I had read that some consider the ups or private mail boxes to be problematic because the staff are private citizens not constrained legally like postal employees, i.e. they can invasively inspect without cause and call the cops, whereas postal workers have to go through a process involving the postal inspector branch. But that could all be supisition
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27055616 - 11/24/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea if you're talking about receiving nefarious things many vendors won't even ship to a po box. Getting something sent domestically via usps is about as risk-free as you can get with this kind of stuff, most "safety" steps you take like getting a PO box, getting it mailed under a fake name, etc. actually can end up increasing the risk by making it blend in less.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: feevers]
#27055770 - 11/24/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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feevers said: Yea if you're talking about receiving nefarious things many vendors won't even ship to a po box. Getting something sent domestically via usps is about as risk-free as you can get with this kind of stuff, most "safety" steps you take like getting a PO box, getting it mailed under a fake name, etc. actually can end up increasing the risk by making it blend in less.
Many people have legit side businesses with either p.o. boxes or ups store mailboxes, I even know guy who has one with the sole purpose of hiding his expensive golf club purchases from the wife. Not a fake name but a business name, could be selling shit on etsy/ebay. Although the box owner knows your real name the market or vendor will not, it is 1 degree of separation but better than none.
I am asking if given the choice between a legit ups store or p.o. box address which would be better.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27056643 - 11/25/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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losfreddy said: I was using a private mail box service. This was mostly because i was traveling, but nonetheless was a sweet deal. I paid $45 for 3 months. I used two forms of photo ID. This was preferable to a PO box for several reasons. It was cheaper (po box is like $60 a month), you could open with less credentials (po box needs line of credit or morgage and proof of local residence), and it was a pyhsical address. This was very nice being able to receive mail while being away from home and not using a work address. Different mail box services have different requirements for opening a mail box
Wow, in my area a p.o. box at the post office is $64 per year and only requires a single piece of id.
I had read that some consider the ups or private mail boxes to be problematic because the staff are private citizens not constrained legally like postal employees, i.e. they can invasively inspect without cause and call the cops, whereas postal workers have to go through a process involving the postal inspector branch. But that could all be supisition
They might have changed the policy, but at least about 3 years ago I was having trouble getting a PO Box because I didn't have morgauge/credit or any proof of local address (they needed two proofs besides an ID)., but the private mail box was much easier, I used two photo IDs both from out of state. I never had any problems with them. I did my fair share of eBay purchases as well as illicit purchases. I'm pretty sure the lady said something about respecting people mail and following the same kind of guidelines the usps uses.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ogla]
#27057010 - 11/25/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its my understanding that if you encrypt, use crypto, a VPN, PGP, and order via priority shipping, that you should be fine.
If you can successfully conceal the transaction then there's no probable cause to get a warrant, on opening up a priority Express package.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27057042 - 11/25/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’m just curious what benefits there are to using a separate box for these things. The only thing I can think of is that if a vendor gets busted and for some reason they kept a log of the names/addresses of their customers, it’d be your PO Box listed instead. Even in that case though, if it’s at the point where feds are already investigating they’d just pull your info from the PO Box anyway. I could also see a box being better if you live with people who you don’t want to possibly see the package, or if you were able to rent it under a different name.
I know you want to go the box route, but if you ever do just want to use your home address as long as you tip your mailman well for the holidays, use your real name, order only domestically, and never sign for anything or accept it directly from a carrier, you’re pretty much golden for small amounts. There are hundreds of millions of pieces of mail daily and any decent vendor will make it not stick out. Even if they find something typically you’ll just get a love letter the first couple times.
I’d be worried getting it shipped to a UPS box because I’m guessing they’d blacklist you for life from all of their services if somehow something did go wrong. They’re riskier to ship through because (supposedly from what I’ve heard) they don’t need a warrant to check the contents of your package, I doubt that could apply to their mailboxes since mail is so protected but it’s worth checking. Also just a thought but I’m not sure if you had a PO Box in a post office if there are any possible additional criminal charges for shipping/storing/possessing in a federal building.
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#27057118 - 11/25/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they want to bust you, they will bust you. A PO box isn't going to do shit.
There's plenty of reason for the government, specifically the US government but likely others too, to control exit nodes. If for nothing more than letting markets accrue BTC and then attempting to seize that money. The Silk Road seizure netted Billions, more than enough to fund many exit nodes for a long time. Never mind any potential seizure they might produce by simply letting markets operate. Government agencies love it when they can self fund, because that gives them unfettered and unmonitored expenditure. Take a look at OSHA if you are interested in how self funding allows for federal agencies to operate.
In summary, they need the dark net market consumers if they are to catch the big fish. It was previously thought that the sellers themselves were in fact the big fish, but in reality, it comes down to attempting to catch the markets themselves before they exit scam. We may never know how far governments have infiltrated dark net markets, simply because they've chosen to operate semi-symbiotically as ultimately it's in their best interest.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: feevers]
#27057155 - 11/25/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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feevers said: I’m just curious what benefits there are to using a separate box for these things. The only thing I can think of is that if a vendor gets busted and for some reason they kept a log of the names/addresses of their customers, it’d be your PO Box listed instead. Even in that case though, if it’s at the point where feds are already investigating they’d just pull your info from the PO Box anyway. I could also see a box being better if you live with people who you don’t want to possibly see the package, or if you were able to rent it under a different name.
I know you want to go the box route, but if you ever do just want to use your home address as long as you tip your mailman well for the holidays, use your real name, order only domestically, and never sign for anything or accept it directly from a carrier, you’re pretty much golden for small amounts. There are hundreds of millions of pieces of mail daily and any decent vendor will make it not stick out. Even if they find something typically you’ll just get a love letter the first couple times.
I’d be worried getting it shipped to a UPS box because I’m guessing they’d blacklist you for life from all of their services if somehow something did go wrong. They’re riskier to ship through because (supposedly from what I’ve heard) they don’t need a warrant to check the contents of your package, I doubt that could apply to their mailboxes since mail is so protected but it’s worth checking. Also just a thought but I’m not sure if you had a PO Box in a post office if there are any possible additional criminal charges for shipping/storing/possessing in a federal building.
Primary benefit is preventing a house member from seeing the pack. Could be a nosey in law, teenager, or just a disaproving spouse. Secondary is removing chance of a market or vendor having it stored somewhere. Feds can get that info but they may chose not to simply because it is another step, govt is a lot less efficient and able to cross reference than most realize and presented with a list of real names and a couple business names they may focus on low hanging fruit. Finally there is always a possibility that a vendor decides to blackmail you or fraud you.
I did find info on ups on reddit and former employees state that they are told it is a felony and immediate termination to open packages.
I was asked by a friend if he thought using a business box would be safer which is what lead me to ask
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