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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Shenmue]
    #25898929 - 03/26/19 10:35 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Im just going off of stuff I've read on here and wiki


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25899353 - 03/27/19 05:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Then you don't know what you're talking about, just like me 😂. I asked for opinions from panaeolus cultivators and only cube growers replied lol. I've done a ton of research and almost all pan growers thinks it's a different experience. Your body doesn't have to break anything down so it's a smoother experience. I'll find out..


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Shenmue]
    #25899484 - 03/27/19 08:39 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Actually i do know what im talking about? The information is readily available dude and yes your body still has to break stuff down and again it's a cleaner experience so to speak due to differing alkaloid ratios, but the alkaloids are stable up to 400 degrees Fahrenheit (according to bod) so you can dehydrate like normal or if your really worried make tea with them fresh and freeze for later


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25901490 - 03/28/19 08:51 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Psilocybin melting point is 220-228°c
Psilocin melting point is 103-104°C 

How many more times do I need to say it lol. Psilocin has a different melting point than psilocybin! Lol


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Shenmue]
    #25901493 - 03/28/19 08:55 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

103 degrees Celsius is still 217 degrees Fahrenheit dude, dehydrating on 160-170 won't cause any problem especially since thats melting point not boiling or sublimation point


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Shenmue]
    #25902169 - 03/28/19 03:44 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

You do know 100c is the boiling point of water right? No dehydrator is going to get that high(this could be bullshit). Well, none that I am aware of. The temps on your dehydrator should be in Fahrenheit which could cause some confusion if you are not familiar with the differences between Celcius and Fahrenheit.

You get used to it as you go. I have made a habit of double checking temps when I read stuff since I was taught Fahrenheit but a lot of documentation uses Celcius.


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25910910 - 04/02/19 06:02 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I just tested a couple dehydrators. They run a lot hotter than their supposed to. I bet if you paid under $100 for your dehydrator that its wrong. How much do you want to bet?


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Shenmue]
    #25910917 - 04/02/19 06:08 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Why does it even matter?

Melting point is not a point where it starts decomposing. It's melting point. Is sugar any less sweet if you melt it?

Also, it's quite hard to get over 100ºC if your contents are not bone dry yet. Water evaporation will keep it at 100ºC


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: poisoned]
    #25910939 - 04/02/19 06:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I always use desiccant when drying, I put a layer at the bottom with a separation layer of perforated tinfoil in a airtight container.

I also store them this way they keep for years and don't lose any potency.


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: dr psilocybin] * 1
    #25911330 - 04/02/19 12:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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dr psilocybin said:
I always use desiccant when drying, I put a layer at the bottom with a separation layer of perforated tinfoil in a airtight container.

I also store them this way they keep for years and don't lose any potency.




This is an old and extremely outdated method that doesn't work reliably for most people

I dont care if my dehydrator runs hotter then its labelled because potency wont begin to degrade till around 300-500 degrees Fahrenheit


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25912737 - 04/03/19 05:48 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

whatever works for you dude, I have never had a problem this way :confused:


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: dr psilocybin] * 1
    #25912892 - 04/03/19 08:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

If you live in a super dry and hot climate then I could see it working but all the trusted cultivators recommend dehydrators because air and desiccant drying doesnt get all the moisture out which can lead to mushrooms rotting and losing potency, you want to dry them as quickly as possible to "lock in" the alkaloids so to speak


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: DnDRnD]
    #25913234 - 04/03/19 11:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I live in the UK so not the hottest here at the moment, thanks for the advice another thing to add to the shopping list. :thumbup:


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: dr psilocybin]
    #25914069 - 04/03/19 07:22 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Everyone on the dmtnexus says stay far away from heat when it comes to panaeolus cyanescens. I looked all over shroomery.org and cant find much when it comes to this topic. Most people don't grow pans so that probably has something to do with it. There's more alkaloids in panaeolus cyanescens than the ones we're talking about. Maybe the other alkaloids are sensitive to heat 🤷‍♂️. I'm going to dry half with heat and the other half without heat then I'll compare the potency 👍.


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Shenmue]
    #25914111 - 04/03/19 07:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

They're the same alkaloids just present in a higher amount, its still psilocybin, psilocin, baeocystin, and norbaeocystin


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Shenmue]
    #25914613 - 04/04/19 02:00 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Everyone on the dmtnexus says stay far away from heat when it comes to panaeolus cyanescens. I looked all over shroomery.org and cant find much when it comes to this topic. Most people don't grow pans so that probably has something to do with it. There's more alkaloids in panaeolus cyanescens than the ones we're talking about. Maybe the other alkaloids are sensitive to heat 🤷‍♂️. I'm going to dry half with heat and the other half without heat then I'll compare the potency 👍.




That’s because they don’t know what there talking about :shrug:
If you really want to know message a experienced pan grower like jakeonacid and ask. He grows fuck tons :mushroom2:


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Re: Drying Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: DnDRnD]
    #27053391 - 11/23/20 07:29 AM (3 months, 11 days ago)

so, can we finally get some definite answer on this from some pan expert? Opinions on the matter are divided but seems like most agree on a lower-than-cubensis drying temp, some even resort to cool air drying. Does it even matter?

(I know this is a necrobump but its relevant and didnt feel like opening a thread)


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