Home | Community | Message Board

MRCA Tyroler Gluckspilze
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Bulk Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
OfflineFOX1977
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 11/22/20
Posts: 25
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes * 1
    #27051962 - 11/22/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all.

First timer on this forum and i would like to share how i do it and how's it going in order to get some help maybe.




I started with shrooms maybe a year ago, with small grow kits and plastic bags. The results were...ok.
After a bit of research i decided to use a empty closet an make a fruiting chamber.(shotgun style)
I used perforated plastic container with perlite on the bottom,(and this time i toke the cakes out of their original plastic containers, in order to not have shrooms growing against the plastic), florescent light on top of the lid controlled by a timer for the light cycle, 2 pc ventilators for forcing air in and one bigger and higher to extract co2, also with timers...10 times a day for 5 minutes and a digital humidity and temperature gauge to try to maintain around 20c and 24c degrees and around 90/96 humidity. Since is winter time, i sometimes turn the heater on the room and force some air with a fan into the closet and the close it.

Now, my first questions are:

Why are my shrooms growing from beneath the cakes? Is it bad? If yes how to prevented?

Why are my shrooms so short in size?

After the first pinheads appear i should stop spraying like with the plastic bags? 

Thanks in advanced.

Pictures here: ( For info, this are 2 new cakes first flush )








Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEagerNoob42
Trying my best
Male

Registered: 09/07/20
Posts: 270
Loc: Frogstar World B
Last seen: 1 year, 4 months
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: FOX1977] * 1
    #27051997 - 11/22/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The fruits look fine to me dude. Normally everyone frowns on fans in a sgfc because a properly made one creates its own fae, but your mushies look healthy to me. I see some issues though.

I AM NOT AN EXPERT, BUT.....

A few things: is there more of the FC down below that we can't see in the pic? Cuz that looks like barely any perlite at all. You need 4-5 inches in there.

Also is your FC sitting on a flat surface?

Ithas to be raised at least a few inches by using some glass jars or something as 4 legs under the corners, otherwise all those holes are pointless.

Gotta create convection currents by drawing air through the holes on the underside and you cant do it if they're blocked by a table/floor.

Also that light is extreme overkill.

Mushrooms dont even really need light at all, and its just a secondary pinning trigger.

Surface humidity and evaporation are much more important than light to induce pinning, and light doesnt really affect growth at all after pins if i'm not mistaken.

That light is taking up the entire top of your FC looks like.

Ditch it. Ambient loght is more than enough.

Do you even have a lid hidden behind that giant light?

Your lid and tub bottom need holes too in case you only did the 4 sides.

Honestly if any mods pop up here they're gonna tell you to get rid of the fan, the light, open the closet door for natural FAE and just be patient.

How long have they been fruiting? Just a few days looks like.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblemushboyMDiscord
modboy
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 32,394
Loc: where?
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: EagerNoob42] * 1
    #27052011 - 11/22/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

EagerNoob42 said:
Honestly if any mods pop up here they're gonna tell you to get rid of the fan, the light, open the closet door for natural FAE and just be patient.





:goodmorning:
Ding ding!

Also those 'cakes' need a barrier between the cake and the perlite. Looks like they are just sitting on the perlite. They will soak up water, waterlogging the cake and fuckin with your shrooms.

The conditions in that chamber are wack.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFOX1977
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 11/22/20
Posts: 25
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: mushboy]
    #27052258 - 11/22/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

First of all, thank you both (EagerNoob42 and Moooshboy?) for your replies. They are very much appreciated.

Well, to be honest, the reason why i decide to built the fruit chamber, was because i made some research on shrooms and found some videos about building them on YouTube.
There were a lot of different designs to choose from, some simple other a bit overkill, but i decided to make one that would meet my needs, some where in the middle.

My needs were:

- It must be closed in the closet because i have 2 very curious and destructive cats.  : )

- It must be in the small office because is warmer than the rest of the house most of the times.

- It must be somehow automated since I'm not at the house all day to ventilate the chamber. There for the fan system with timer.

- It must be somehow automated since I'm not at the house all day and sometimes even at night to turn on and of the lightning and the chamber is inside a closet in a small office with no natural light,. There for the florescent light with timer.

Now to answer some of your questions:

- I have 5 or 6 cm of perlite on the bottom of the chamber.

- The chamber is perforated on all four sides, bottom and lid.

- The lightning is a simple and small florescent light bolt, but i used an light aluminum tube cut in half to make a cover for it, and to spread the light downwards. 

- The bottom of chamber is not siting on a flat surface and is not fully visible in the photo, because it is partially inside a plastic tub and the chamber only sits a bit on it's corners on the tub corners and there is a 1, 1,5cm gap on each side for air flow. The tub was there to get any excess water drops that mite fall.

- The first fruits showed up 3 or 4 days ago.

- Yes the cakes are sitting on the perlite. I saw in one of the youtube videos that it was ok to do that. But by your comment i guess not.


Now some questions:

- What should i use to separate the cakes from the perlite?

- Should i continue to water spray the perlite once the first fruit pinheads start to appear, or should i stop?

- This is the first time that my shrooms grow from beneath the cakes. why aren't they growing through the top as normal? And can i do something about it?

- I've seen some pics of some big ass shrooms, but mine are always a bit on small side. Is that a sign that i'm doing something wrong? And if yes, how can a grow the bigger?

- By the way, what do you mean exactly when you said
"The conditions in that chamber are wack" ?



Thanks in advanced.


Edited by FOX1977 (11/22/20 01:30 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblemushboyMDiscord
modboy
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 32,394
Loc: where?
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: FOX1977] * 3
    #27052289 - 11/22/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I say wack because the substrate looks soaked. You got nothing but bottom/side pins and the surface shrooms you do have look dry. That's wack conditions when you have all that going on inside a small space. It's from using a bad chamber design.


Build and use the sgfc as designed and you'll probably have much.. much better results. And use smaller cakes instead of larger logs.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrian Jones
Club 27
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 12,362
Loc: attending Snake Church
Last seen: 2 hours, 15 minutes
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: FOX1977] * 1
    #27052301 - 11/22/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You can put the cakes on pieces of aluminum foil that are just a little bigger than the cake.

Mist the cakes if they start to look dry. Most new growers mist too much not too little.


--------------------
"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemushhead
Potato Devourer
I'm a teapot


Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 2,218
Loc: Dimension H-231
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27052368 - 11/22/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Time for a redesign m8.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLogicaL ChaosM
Ascension Energy & Alien UFOs
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/12/07
Posts: 69,598
Loc: The Inexpressible... Flag
Last seen: 1 hour, 9 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: FOX1977]
    #27052423 - 11/22/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cool setup, albeit complex.

U could use another bag of perlite and put a barrier between the square cakes and the perlite.


--------------------
"What you must understand is that your physical dimension affects everyone in the higher dimensions as well. All things are interconnected. All things are One. Therefore, if one dimension is broken or out of balance, then all other dimensions will experience repercussions." - Pleiadian Prophecy 2020 The New Golden Age by James Carwin

PROJECT BLUE BOOK ANALYSIS! (312 pages!) | Psychedelics & UFOs | Ready to Contact UFOs? | The Source on Mushrooms:shroomeryhead:| Trippy Gematrix | Dj TeknoLogical | Fentanyl Test Kits R.I.P. Big Worm :tombstone: || The Start of the Ascension Process was 2020. Welcome to the Next Great Era of Earth 🌎🌍🌏                                                         
:sunny::bliss::mushroom2: Oregon Eclipse Festival 2017 :: Aug 19th - 21st :: Pure Paradise :mushroom2::bliss::sunny: :rainbowdrink: Very Effective LSA Extraction Tek :rainbowdrink: | 💧 Advanced Cold Water LSA Extraction Method 💧 | :cacti::bongload: Mescajuana - Mescaline with Marijuana | DMT Dab Bongs | UFO Technology! :shpongle:Shpongle:shpongle:   


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePBJ710
Strangler

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/05/19
Posts: 2,623
Last seen: 1 month, 6 days
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #27052622 - 11/22/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Your customizations to automate this are breaking the SGFC's functionality.  A properly made SGFC itself is the automation of what would be a much more complex manual process.

I would lose that 'water catchpan'.  It's blocking the airflow to the bottom and lower sides of the SGFC.  Your fear of dripping water is irrational unless you are using a water hose to 'mist' your cakes. 

Your light on top is also blocking the outgoing airflow and creating additional thermal currents which are further dehydrating things in the SGFC.  Hang it at least a foot above the tub. 

If your perlite was damp going into it, it shouldn't need additional moisture added to it.  Once you put enough perlite in it, this moisture level will be stay more stable.  You should only have to mist the cakes themselves if they look dry on the surface.

A single layer of aluminum foil the size of the cake will work to isolate it from the perlite.  If it's larger than the cake, it can reduce the moist air going past the cake, so keep it pretty close to the same size.

The forced airflow is also stripping away the moisture of the limited amount of perlite in there (5-6cm is only ~2 inches).  They are only fruiting right next to the perlite because it's the place with the best surface conditions since there is not enough humidity in the chamber itself.

Read this SGFC Tek and look for the differences between it and your design.  Don't overthink the easy stuff...

Basic Principals of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFOX1977
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 11/22/20
Posts: 25
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: PBJ710]
    #27054052 - 11/23/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi again, and tks for all the feedback.
Especially Moooshboy, Brian Jones and PBJ710.

I've made some quick modifications today that were recommended yesterday, as well as some shroom picking , just a few open ones...
I've just notice some light green color showing up on the sides of the cakes...is that a sign of too much humidity?

I leave some pictures of the changes i've made to the chamber and also of the look of the cakes.

Comments and suggestions are welcome as always.  :laugh:


Tks in advanced.

Photos :








Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePBJ710
Strangler

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/05/19
Posts: 2,623
Last seen: 1 month, 6 days
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: FOX1977]
    #27054533 - 11/23/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Overall much better.  It would really benefit you to get some more damp perlite in that tub as soon as you can though.  If they keep growing outward to get past the foil, you might consider trimming it a bit.  They'll show you where they are finding the best fruiting conditions.  The blueing in the last pic is likely from dehydration, but getting in a hurry and directly spraying water onto a cake can cause it as well.

Right now it looks like the cakes are dry, so I would mist them until they glisten a bit (don't soak them).  You want them to be able to dry out in a day or so from the natural currents in the SGFC.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblemushboyMDiscord
modboy
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 32,394
Loc: where?
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: PBJ710]
    #27054552 - 11/23/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i like the flag posts:popcorn:

chamber still needs ore perlite tho. and are you growing those inside a piece of furniture:uhoh:? in the middle of a room would be best


Edited by mushboy (11/23/20 07:59 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMateja
 Unread Journal User Gallery

Registered: 07/14/16
Posts: 7,948
Loc: Here
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: FOX1977]
    #27054637 - 11/23/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Think of FAE mostly as the concept of 'a substrate evaporating off moisture through the surface' and the rate of this occurance is expressed as "too much FAE" or "Too little FAE". At times you will notice the term FAE being used to describe issues related to oxygen delivery and co2 levels but the overwhelming majority of instances where 'FAE' is used its to describe the evaporation rates off the substrate. Maybe you knew this already or not but knowing this might help you figure out what the organism needs and doesn't need and knowing this is all you need to always achieve perfect conditions anywhere with any setup :thumbup:


--------------------
Cakes inside Water Tub


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFOX1977
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 11/22/20
Posts: 25
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Shrooms too small and growing beneath the cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #27055576 - 11/24/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all and thanks for the feedback.


For PBJ710 and Moooshboy :

- I added one more bag of perlite today ( well cleaned and soaked ), so a 50% increase of perlite and it's around 9/10cm high from the base of the chamber.( i guess that's around 4 inches ).

- Regarding the humidity of the cakes...well i did spray them 2 days ago when someone said they looked dry, and i've spray them today also.

- LOl...well thanks...the flag posts are just a temporary solution and they are simple new coffee mugs.

- Yes, the chamber is inside a piece of furniture. It's a big cabinet in my home office, divided vertically in two. The upper part is were i dry the shrooms with a big fan.
It's out of the question to placed in the middle of a room for many reasons...the first one being that i have two very active and destructive cats:laugh:, the second reason is that the wife would kill me and file for divorce if i put it at plain sight. :grin: Besides...the office is always a lot warmer than the rest of the house, and i'm dealing with - 3 degrees outside at the moment.

For Still learning:

- I found your comment very interesting, although i think there are maybe some variables that mite be very relative. Are there any charts with some of this values or calculations? And forgive my ignorance...but what exactly means " FAE "? I'm also still learning :wink:

I'll leave a new pic, with the added perlite and a global view of the cabinet, including the upper part were i do the drying up.

Photo:



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Bulk Substrate


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Re: Sea of Shrooms vs. Plain Cakes Anonymous 1,358 6 05/18/00 12:24 PM
by aural
* Re: Shroom growing on bottom of casing? 3DSHROOM 1,592 2 08/02/00 01:29 PM
by Blank Frank
* shrooms from contaminated cakes solrac 2,494 6 10/02/01 08:05 PM
by Jammer
* Shroom Growing Outside? TheJoker 3,889 17 06/16/01 11:50 PM
by Gilgamesh
* How many shrooms from one cake? markus 8,960 8 05/16/01 02:57 AM
by markus
* What do I do when 'shroom grows into perilite? Afterburner 870 2 10/19/01 08:16 PM
by Japher
* Re: Shrooms growing on underside of cake? --=[WTF]=- Be_Vigilant 947 3 04/22/01 05:42 PM
by Be_Vigilant
* holy cow, deformed shroom(s) off cake sponzere 1,551 8 10/12/01 08:47 AM
by LCid

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
273 topic views. 44 members, 210 guests and 54 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 12 queries.