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OfflinekunzyMAGI24
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Possible Premature Fruit Bodies/ Grow Report
    #27052515 - 11/22/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So here's the thing, my friend is a well seasoned mycologist that has been cultivating mushrooms for a while. Needless to say his techniques with incubation is right on par. Perfect conditions, etc.

He's been incubating a container of B+ in BRF, which has done something peculiar.

It appears that this sample is forming massive clots of sclerotia. This is at approximately 75% colonization.

Although B+ is known for sclerotia, I was just curious why it's being produced so early, in the colonization process.

Any thoughts would be helpful, but no need to rush to to consensus. It's not really a problematic occurance.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27052738 - 11/22/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cubes aren’t sclerotia forming.. you probably have either an over active sub strain in the mix of MS or the cake is fighting something off or there’s a contamination that looks a lot like cube myc.  I’ve seen it before in cakes.. best to just ride it out and see what happens.. it’s usually benign but keep an eye on it for color change etc.

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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: fahtster]
    #27052789 - 11/22/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Holy shit!


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27054497 - 11/23/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's definitely not contaminated. Its possible that it's invitro fruiting in my opinion. Check this out though, it has VEINS.



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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27054500 - 11/23/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a pic of the bruising fruit, and an update as to thr colonization process as of yet.



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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27054510 - 11/23/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That looks, not good.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27054519 - 11/23/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

kunzyMAGI24 said:
It's definitely not contaminated.




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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27054568 - 11/23/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

prob from weird container u used allowing some bac in there as it cools. ALOT of surface area there


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: the man]
    #27054594 - 11/23/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'll keep this thread periodically updated, so whether its contaminated or not, we'll find out guys. It looks like it has a yellowish hue because of the lighting in the picture. The sample actually is completely porcelain white.  the brown bits are vermiculite. When i get close to the air exchange holes which are covered with micropore tape, I'm able to detect a very healthy mushroom smell. Its a healthy specimen, its just making weird fruit-like deposits, which is what i was referring to in this thread. Im not really concerned about contamination, as seeing it in person versus my shitty picture just doesn't translate well.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27055861 - 11/24/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As you can see in this picture, which actually has proper lighting, the colonization has been spreading rapidly the past two days. I also get occasional blueing if im not careful handling it. Which throws the "not psilocybe mycelium, it's mold" hypothesis out the proverbial window.

Like i said, im not looking to debate on whether its contaminated or not, as this is being overseen by a professional. There's just no room to discuss it, and its not relevant to my post.

That being said, I'd like to have some discussion as to what could be causing the premature fruiting. Is it possible its receiving too much light? Mutated genetics? Helpful responses please. Not insulting captain kirk memes.



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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24] * 1
    #27055879 - 11/24/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I would think the professional overseeing your project would be quite capable of answering your questions.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27055886 - 11/24/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for contributing your valuable opinion. It helps a lot. Thanks for helping a curious mycology enthusiast. Great job


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24] * 1
    #27055897 - 11/24/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Your attitude is the real issue.  I’d tell you that the thick wet-looking growth and fruiting before full colonization would likely be indicative of bacteria.  But you already said you don’t want to hear it and that you have a pro overseeing your project.  So, :shrug:  Additionally, I wouldn’t listen to a “pro” who thinks that cubes form sclerotia.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27055966 - 11/24/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well i guess that's where we differ. Thanks for the help


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27055983 - 11/24/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ill just continue to post the progress of the supposedly contaminated sample. Let that decide. :wink:


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24] * 1
    #27055986 - 11/24/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sure. Nobody said it wouldn’t fruit. :shrug:  It just doesn’t look healthy.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27055987 - 11/24/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Fungi pin early to escape contamination all the time.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Wall.E]
    #27056068 - 11/24/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

lol people are funny.. not withstanding the reason for the issue i am seeing, what the heck is causing my issue.. professionals agree, circular jerk of logic..

and yes dont dismiss everyone saying its a professional set up and then ask questions that could be answered by any "professional". remember they told u what and why to HELP u.

best to try normal jars next time!


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: the man] * 1
    #27056096 - 11/24/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How are people actively searching mushroom info on the internet but still able to argue that b+ is known for producing sclerotia.


:facepalm:



That’s without a doubt bacterial as fuck but I’ve fruited plenty of jars like that myself.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: A.k.a]
    #27056194 - 11/24/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Stressed myc will bruise blue. It's not uncommon to see thick bacterial myc bruise.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: LtLurker]
    #27056333 - 11/24/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey man. I've been here for over 8 years. I am a "professional" (Ive paid my bills on this stuff) for what it matters to YOU and the TC's are even more qualified. I've been taking college courses in mycology if that matters at all.

Your shit is contaminated or at best stalled and moving very slowly.

Listen to the knowledgeable people here.


Cubensis don't fucking produce sclerotia.  Only a select variety of active species do.  Do some research and LEARN. You are wasting precious peoples precious time by disregarding their educated answers.


Dude.  Let the SUPER knowledgeable people help you out.

Jeezus.

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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #27056361 - 11/24/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think the idea of him eating his cake thinking they are stones is a funny image.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27056370 - 11/24/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The man is planting corn but digging for potatoes.  Oof

Good luck bud....

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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #27056389 - 11/24/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

BLINKfan420 said:
The man is planting corn but digging for potatoes.  Oof

Good luck bud....

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not sure what ur saying?


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: the man]
    #27056400 - 11/24/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

the man said:
Quote:

BLINKfan420 said:
The man is planting corn but digging for potatoes.  Oof

Good luck bud....

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not sure what ur saying?




Hahahaha. I did NOT notice your username was "the man" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm referring to the OP as "the man"

And he's saying his cubensis are producing sclerotia.  Which, to me, is like someone saying they planted corn and are expecting to harvest potatoes.

Lmao. Sorry the the confusion.

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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #27056462 - 11/25/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:laugh2:

I love when random shit like that lines up.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: A.k.a]
    #27056683 - 11/25/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ive already said i was wrong and that it's a fruiting body. That being said, it being stressed is the closest thing ive seen so far to an actual guess. If it's an infection/ contamination, I'm assuming it will be more apparent once it's time to birth it.

I'll recommend to him placing it in a separate fruiting chamber, to wait and see what happens.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27056841 - 11/25/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You’re wrong about the fruit body as well.. it’s ok to be new and admit you made mistakes.. that’s why we’re here; to help correct those mistakes and get you back on a path to beautiful flushes.. we cannot do that however if you’re unwilling to listen to the advice we give. 

That container was a poor choice.. it’s extremely wet and extremely bacterial.. the reason it looks like ice cream at the leading edge is because the myc cannot advance to the “uncolonized” (I say it like that because it’s colonized by bacteria) portion of the substrate readily.

I hope you’re not paying that “professional”... if you are, cancel the checks and stick around because we will do it for free

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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #27056858 - 11/25/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why is op now making recommendations to the professional?


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27056892 - 11/25/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

kunzyMAGI24 said:


Like i said, im not looking to debate on whether its contaminated or not, as this is being overseen by a professional. There's just no room to discuss it, and its not relevant to my post.

That being said, I'd like to have some discussion as to what could be causing the premature fruiting. Is it possible its receiving too much light? Mutated genetics? Helpful responses please. Not insulting captain kirk memes.





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The force is strong with this one.


That kind of attitude is a recurrent thing here, the "I'm making a post about a problem I'm having but only wanna hear the answers that align with what I think is happening."


Well sir, guess what? You've no clue what's happening. Be open to that very real possibility.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27056921 - 11/25/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I want to change my username to The Professional lol


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: The Mycologist]
    #27057030 - 11/25/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Im a relative newbie at this and I'd suspect something bacteria-ish is going on in your pie dish... I'm not sure which areas you are referring to in regards to looking like stones or fruits, though some of it looks like very dense mycelium. I had BRF cakes do something similar. Not all infections cause discolouration and you may still get fruits from it, but time will tell. Good luck, I hope you get some shrooms!


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27057045 - 11/25/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Why is op now making recommendations to the professional?




My friend, the professional, etc. Dude is just talking about himself in the 3rd person and has the audacity to refer to himself as professional. Guess we all got it wrong and this dude has it all figured out. :shrug:

Some people have all the luck.

Guess I will be breaking out those B+ prints and get some stones going


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27057194 - 11/25/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I dont mention my friends name to maintain his anonymity. So don't make accusations claiming that im just referring to myself. I was only saying it wasn't contaminated because my friend says it wasn't. So dont judge me and say that I'm calling myself a professional. If i was, i wouldn't humble myself enough to ask on here. How about in instead of lecturing me, you offer some good advice?

The possibility of contamination could very well be the case. I was only asking for additional thoughts as to alternative causes. That's all, as the OP am asking.

Thank you to those who have offered what possibilities it could be. Contamination speculation or otherwise.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057216 - 11/25/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Here's todays latest update.

Fruiting body has slightly increased in size. The mycelium has made a lot of progress, and is doing well taking over the areas some believe to possibly have contamination.

No signs of pins. Mycelium (imo) looks very healthy.



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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057226 - 11/25/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

-Forum- unanimously says it's not a fruit body, it's bacterial myc.

-OP- i'm here to learn not have an ego. Also my totally healthy fruiting bodies are bigger.

:facepalm3:

Are you seeing the disconnect and why people are making the comments they are yet?


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: LtLurker]
    #27057231 - 11/25/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If it's not a fruiting body, then what is it?


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057260 - 11/25/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You understand fruit body = mushroom, correct?  Also, why would you be growing someone else’s project in your room?


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27057311 - 11/25/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its not in my room. I'm at his place. And its my opinion that it's a fruiting body because it looks like a mushroom starting. Its even developing a similar flesh tone.

My friend also corrected me about the whole sclerotia thing. Sorry about that.

Also, i was wrong about the strain, it's actually Golden Teacher. I mixed it up with another project he has.

Without saying too much, I guess you can say the guy is mentoring me. He's been doing this for 20 years. So maybe professional isn't the right word because he's not a mycologist by occupation, only by hobby. But he also does things like shitakke and lions mane. He gave me a lions mane cake that I wanna do a grow report on too!


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24] * 1
    #27057335 - 11/25/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Look man everything else aside if you want to learn to do this youll save yourself a ton of time and effort by cutting ties with your friend on this one and learning from shroomery on your own.

If he’s been growing for 20 years and that block is what you’re working with and he insists it’s healthy he has no idea what’s going on.

That cake is extremely contaminated. It will still fruit but it’ll be like a third of what you’d get from a healthy one.



Learning this stuff is not easy. If I had to do it without the shroomery then i could totally see going for years and years thinking I had it down because I was getting mushrooms.


Right now it’s like youre in a car that’s in drive and just rolling forward at 2mph. You will eventually get where you’re going—but we’re trying to tell you there’s a gas pedal.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057347 - 11/25/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well, your stealth storage thread made it pretty clear that this is in your room since your computer desk is in there along with your toot bill and same blue carpet.  Nobody cares.  Unless, of course, you just keep all your shit in his room. 🤔  Im not trying to bust your balls, but it’s a lot easier to keep shit straight with a bit of honesty instead of trying to maintain swim narratives.  This place will put you on the right track, and folks will go out of their way to help you progress, but you will quickly be ignored if you continue to operate the way you have in this thread. :shrug:  Cakes aren’t very good  for lions mane due to their small size and composition, unless you’re using supplemented sawdust, which will need to be sterilized.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057352 - 11/25/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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this is straight up not ok thats a bacteria.
I'm sorry OP. But you need to try again.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: A.k.a]
    #27057377 - 11/25/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If he’s been growing for 20 years and that block is what you’re working with and he insists it’s healthy he has no idea what’s going on.



imo I get the vibe this is a common thing. I bet there's a ton of people that have shot spores into brf and grains for years or decades without really knowing much about bacteria or agar or anything like that. As long as they get some mushrooms, they feel like it works.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #27057463 - 11/25/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah exactly.

Even with all the resources here it still took me forever to get halfway decent at identifying clean myc. If I had been on my own or using a book or something I would for sure be thinking bacterial growth was clean and just a different myc pheno.


Between 20 years and making giant brf cakes I feel like the guys an old hippy that’s self taught from a pamphlet or something. It’ll work fine but you’re getting so much less for your money and effort than you would from clean grainspawn to coir.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27057472 - 11/25/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The stealth Storage was at the same friend's house man. Its not my place. I appreciate what you're saying, but that's his room i was talking about in the thread. There is no dishonesty here. Please don't assume anything about me. You don't know me, nor did i ask for your speculation of psychoanalysis.

I'll let him know that the shroomery's consensus is that this cake is contaminated. I appreciate the help.

If he continues to grow it out, I'll still post a grow log for him just for educational and entertainment purposes.


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    #27057551 - 11/25/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds good :thumbup:

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    #27057625 - 11/25/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If he continues to grow it out, I'll still post a grow log for him just for educational and entertainment purposes.




Thats a better approach.

Start doing some reading on here while you wait to see what happens with that cake. Plenty of VALUABLE information shared on this site.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27058398 - 11/26/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Mycelium is spreading pretty nicely. Im thinking it'll reach 100% colonization in three days. After that, we plan to let it consolidate for a week, or birth it when it starts pinning. Whichever happens first.



Is it possible that if it's contaminated, it could be a small enough infection, that the specimen can fight it off?

Sorry for all the questions. Its just that i always think of these things after im done hanging out with my bro and i cant ask him.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27058406 - 11/26/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



Here is the unedited version of the picture. I tried to bring out the white, because what you see in person, versus what the picture shows aren't very close.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27058439 - 11/26/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Is it possible that if it's contaminated, it could be a small enough infection, that the specimen can fight it off?

Sorry for all the questions. Its just that i always think of these things after im done hanging out with my bro and i cant ask him.



I think this was answered before but yes a bacterial substrate can still fruit, just don't expect it to be to it's full potential. It doesn't really "win" against infections, just fights best it can to still get fruits out. Mold is a bigger issue.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: LtLurker]
    #27058443 - 11/26/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Okay cool thanks


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27062805 - 11/29/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So my friend is dunking the glass tupperware cake, as it's pinning pretty well, and its fully colonized. He's aware that its still early to birth, but he feels this situation is different.

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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27062817 - 11/29/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:tryingnottodie:
I don't even.
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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27062818 - 11/29/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Your sub looks to wet. Probably the problem to start with that caused the bacterial contamination. Your professional friend would have been better off to start over a week ago.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Sockadin]
    #27063071 - 11/29/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well, nevertheless, we'll see how the first flush turns out!


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27063229 - 11/29/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would tell probably just remove the lid and case with coir, and put it in the FC. It's got plenty of surface area already. If the substrate is already overhydrated, a dunking may not be necessary.

Either way, I hope your friend gets some fruits out of this! Maybe direct him here so he can learn about agar and stuff for his next grow.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Tattersail]
    #27063902 - 11/30/20 02:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If he doesn't switch to agar, i definitely will be for my shitakke.

The tray is now in it's chamber, and the pins doubled in size in about 2 hours.

There's only one small cluster of pins however. Like i said tho, it was born early to protect the early pins, so consolidation of thw the cake will probably still be taking place throughout the week.

His uneducated opinion is that there will be way more pins in about five days.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27067445 - 12/02/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So there appears to be stunted growth with the pins. My theory is because the humidifier ran out of water halfway through the night. It's worth noting that although growth is going very slowly, more pins are coming up aside from that cluster.



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    #27067446 - 12/02/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's also worth noting that most of these started invitro, so its possible dunking etc. Damaged them.


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    #27067466 - 12/02/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So there appears to be stunted growth with the pins. My theory is because the humidifier ran out of water halfway through the night.



Stunted growth is most likely because of the humidifier inside the FC, electric components inside the FC is one of the oldest recipes for failure :thumbup: choose a popular modern method and stay away from experimenting and reading old threads as much as possible until you at least understand what you're doing. Gl


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    #27067475 - 12/02/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you. What form of humidification do you recommend?


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    #27067485 - 12/02/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What form of humidification do you recommend?



No 'humidification', bulk substrates create their own micro climate.
Cakes and small substrates can be fruited in unmodified tubs as well just pour an inch of water into the tub first and place the sub/cake onto something :thumbup:


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mateja]
    #27067550 - 12/02/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Okay cool, I'll let him know, and hopefully he'll heed your advice.

I would think a humidifier would get it closer to 99% humidity, which is what you want though, correct? I didn't think the other method would allow the proper humidity to be reached. Am I completely wrong, or is there at least a little truth there?

Sorry to split hairs, I'm just really curious about this stuff and love learning all the details. :smile:

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    #27067584 - 12/02/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would think a humidifier would get it closer to 99% humidity, which is what you want though, correct?



No, you don't want electric components inside the FC as I've already explained. If you had 99% humidity all the time inside the FC you'd stop the sub from evaporating causing it to suffocate. Whether you're fruitung cakes or bulk subs unmodified fruiting chambers are the way to go and you don't need electricity to fruit cubes :thumbup:b resist the urge to try to improve already childishly simple methods by making them more complicated and follow Tek's as instructed otherwise you're gonna have a hard time finding the help you need. Gl


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mateja]
    #27067683 - 12/02/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That thing is soaking wet.  A proper sgfc would help it along.

Whoops...didn’t see there was another page already addressing the issue. 


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    #27069118 - 12/02/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I believe you're right, its been mentioned.


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    #27069316 - 12/03/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)


The pins are now starting to spread along all the sides of the cake. Personally i think it looks beautiful.


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    #27076544 - 12/07/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Im trying a microdose now of the golden teacher. Im not expecting much. Will report back in 6 hours. Im also going 30 hours right now without sleep. I'm hoping when its gone through my system, I'll hopefully be able to sleep.

I'd like to thank each and every one of you for your assistance. I apologise for some of the misunderstandings.

My friend is no longer going to grow cubensis, as he's afraid of the risks involved. So no kore updates after im done reporting how i feel from the microdose.

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