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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24] * 1
    #27057335 - 11/25/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Look man everything else aside if you want to learn to do this youll save yourself a ton of time and effort by cutting ties with your friend on this one and learning from shroomery on your own.

If he’s been growing for 20 years and that block is what you’re working with and he insists it’s healthy he has no idea what’s going on.

That cake is extremely contaminated. It will still fruit but it’ll be like a third of what you’d get from a healthy one.



Learning this stuff is not easy. If I had to do it without the shroomery then i could totally see going for years and years thinking I had it down because I was getting mushrooms.


Right now it’s like youre in a car that’s in drive and just rolling forward at 2mph. You will eventually get where you’re going—but we’re trying to tell you there’s a gas pedal.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057347 - 11/25/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well, your stealth storage thread made it pretty clear that this is in your room since your computer desk is in there along with your toot bill and same blue carpet.  Nobody cares.  Unless, of course, you just keep all your shit in his room. 🤔  Im not trying to bust your balls, but it’s a lot easier to keep shit straight with a bit of honesty instead of trying to maintain swim narratives.  This place will put you on the right track, and folks will go out of their way to help you progress, but you will quickly be ignored if you continue to operate the way you have in this thread. :shrug:  Cakes aren’t very good  for lions mane due to their small size and composition, unless you’re using supplemented sawdust, which will need to be sterilized.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057352 - 11/25/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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this is straight up not ok thats a bacteria.
I'm sorry OP. But you need to try again.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: A.k.a]
    #27057377 - 11/25/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If he’s been growing for 20 years and that block is what you’re working with and he insists it’s healthy he has no idea what’s going on.



imo I get the vibe this is a common thing. I bet there's a ton of people that have shot spores into brf and grains for years or decades without really knowing much about bacteria or agar or anything like that. As long as they get some mushrooms, they feel like it works.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #27057463 - 11/25/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah exactly.

Even with all the resources here it still took me forever to get halfway decent at identifying clean myc. If I had been on my own or using a book or something I would for sure be thinking bacterial growth was clean and just a different myc pheno.


Between 20 years and making giant brf cakes I feel like the guys an old hippy that’s self taught from a pamphlet or something. It’ll work fine but you’re getting so much less for your money and effort than you would from clean grainspawn to coir.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Mycolorado]
    #27057472 - 11/25/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The stealth Storage was at the same friend's house man. Its not my place. I appreciate what you're saying, but that's his room i was talking about in the thread. There is no dishonesty here. Please don't assume anything about me. You don't know me, nor did i ask for your speculation of psychoanalysis.

I'll let him know that the shroomery's consensus is that this cake is contaminated. I appreciate the help.

If he continues to grow it out, I'll still post a grow log for him just for educational and entertainment purposes.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27057551 - 11/25/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds good :thumbup:

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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24] * 1
    #27057625 - 11/25/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If he continues to grow it out, I'll still post a grow log for him just for educational and entertainment purposes.




Thats a better approach.

Start doing some reading on here while you wait to see what happens with that cake. Plenty of VALUABLE information shared on this site.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27058398 - 11/26/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Mycelium is spreading pretty nicely. Im thinking it'll reach 100% colonization in three days. After that, we plan to let it consolidate for a week, or birth it when it starts pinning. Whichever happens first.



Is it possible that if it's contaminated, it could be a small enough infection, that the specimen can fight it off?

Sorry for all the questions. Its just that i always think of these things after im done hanging out with my bro and i cant ask him.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27058406 - 11/26/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



Here is the unedited version of the picture. I tried to bring out the white, because what you see in person, versus what the picture shows aren't very close.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27058439 - 11/26/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Is it possible that if it's contaminated, it could be a small enough infection, that the specimen can fight it off?

Sorry for all the questions. Its just that i always think of these things after im done hanging out with my bro and i cant ask him.



I think this was answered before but yes a bacterial substrate can still fruit, just don't expect it to be to it's full potential. It doesn't really "win" against infections, just fights best it can to still get fruits out. Mold is a bigger issue.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: LtLurker]
    #27058443 - 11/26/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Okay cool thanks


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27062805 - 11/29/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So my friend is dunking the glass tupperware cake, as it's pinning pretty well, and its fully colonized. He's aware that its still early to birth, but he feels this situation is different.

I'll post pics tomorrow


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27062817 - 11/29/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:tryingnottodie:
I don't even.
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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27062818 - 11/29/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Your sub looks to wet. Probably the problem to start with that caused the bacterial contamination. Your professional friend would have been better off to start over a week ago.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Sockadin]
    #27063071 - 11/29/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well, nevertheless, we'll see how the first flush turns out!


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27063229 - 11/29/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would tell probably just remove the lid and case with coir, and put it in the FC. It's got plenty of surface area already. If the substrate is already overhydrated, a dunking may not be necessary.

Either way, I hope your friend gets some fruits out of this! Maybe direct him here so he can learn about agar and stuff for his next grow.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: Tattersail]
    #27063902 - 11/30/20 02:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If he doesn't switch to agar, i definitely will be for my shitakke.

The tray is now in it's chamber, and the pins doubled in size in about 2 hours.

There's only one small cluster of pins however. Like i said tho, it was born early to protect the early pins, so consolidation of thw the cake will probably still be taking place throughout the week.

His uneducated opinion is that there will be way more pins in about five days.


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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27065285 - 11/30/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Pre mature sclerotia [Re: kunzyMAGI24]
    #27067445 - 12/02/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So there appears to be stunted growth with the pins. My theory is because the humidifier ran out of water halfway through the night. It's worth noting that although growth is going very slowly, more pins are coming up aside from that cluster.



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