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My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. 1
#27051581 - 11/22/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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He's drifting away from me.
He is hanging with a crowd now that insists that 98% of people shouldnt take covid measures, that trump was right, that hydroxychloroquine is the answer, that denies climate change and is holding rallys to incite people to throw away their masks and end social distancing.
They are doing this under the guise of Love, bearing big heart signs, their cult leader's name translates to William Angel but is considerably south of heaven, manipulating people to defy all government measures to contain Covid and stating it is nothing but a harmless flu.
They used to call themselves Virus Madness but now its Virus Truth, for behold and see, they hold the absolute truth!
They urge people not to vaccinate at all, not vaccinate their children and to reject the Covid vaccine when it comes.
The whole symbolism is of love and truth but its a bunch of deception and placing their self interest over the safety of others.
I warn him about whats going on but he doesn't even reply to it anymore.
The cult rips people away from the part of their social environment that disagrees with their partyline, exactly as cults do, and this is also happening between my friend and me.
I'm keeping the doors open towards him in case he comes to reason but he increasingly shuts doors towards me.
He's fucking radicalizing into some far right Trump knob goblin rehashing of aeons ago effectively refuted Republican talking points.
I guess his desire for belonging to a community is part of driving this.
Thank you for the hydroxychloroquine kool-aid, Reverend Jim, we'll see where this ship strands.
I'm losing him. He's feeding the wrong wolf and its getting stronger and stronger.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Asante]
#27051586 - 11/22/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Asante]
#27051627 - 11/22/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The disinformation campaigns are getting smarter and smarter. Or at least it seems like it... It only makes sense that disinformation is likely to have all the discoveries of modern science leveraged to spread some bullshit.
You can vaccinate against COVID, you can't vaccinate against being dumb enough to buy into the conspiracy theories. Some people are just susceptible to them. Nothing you can do. I don't foresee that movement ever disappearing, just morphing into other ideas. Best we can hope for that it doesn't get the majority of the population.
As ahab said, cut the bitch off! (as in don't waste any effort into him. If he comes back, he comes back. I'd bet a lot of money he just drifts further away.)
My brother is in the cult too. Been wasting a lot of time and effort trying to prove obvious things to him here. All completely wasted. He is the embodiment of Dunning-Kreuger.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: metalfaith]
#27051629 - 11/22/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
#27051631 - 11/22/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cut the bitch off.
Yep, cut him loose
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: metalfaith]
#27051640 - 11/22/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a friend like that, he moved to Florida after high school and is heavy into Q conspiracy nonsense and Trumpism. He thinks the hurricane warnings are fake news because the media just wants to create fear.
How do you argue with people who think anything they don't want to hear is fake news? To them a well researched paper by an educated intellectual is equally valid as a youtube video from an idiot. Maybe my university education was bunk but at least I know what real source is. Now these people are militant too, think they know more than doctors.
These new vaccines are a godsend I cant wait for mine
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: viraldrome]
#27051662 - 11/22/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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He even tried to dissuade me toi be vaccinated against Covid once the vaccine against Covid was found, already "knowing" it would be much worse than the disease.
Saying this, to someone in the risk population, who lost an aunt to COVID.
I argued why I don't think that movement is going to effect the needed changes, and he with choice words dismissed it all with saying he was sorry I was dissociated from the truth.
Well excuse me mr stuff alcohol and weed in my face to great excess with a repeated relationship obliterating frequency, I havent used dissociatives in a year, my head is clear, maybe you should dissociate away from your drugs of choice for a year too.
Didn't say it like that of course but God damn that was an underhanded move to pull on me.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Asante]
#27051669 - 11/22/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep I know a guy descending down the covidiot rabbit hole
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: koods]
#27051680 - 11/22/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
Asante and Koods, read this article if you haven't already. It's perfect. Really long but absolutely worth every minute of the time it takes to read.
"A Game Designer's Analysis of Q-Anon: Playing with Reality"
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: metalfaith] 2
#27051681 - 11/22/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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metalfaith said: You can vaccinate against COVID, you can't vaccinate against being dumb enough to buy into the conspiracy theories. Some people are just susceptible to them. Nothing you can do.
The proportion of people like that is not set in stone though. The quality of the education people receive, especially at a young age, makes a huge difference.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Asante] 2
#27051686 - 11/22/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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He sounds like he has his shit together pretty well
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Texas Honey Badger]
#27051750 - 11/22/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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psi said:
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metalfaith said: You can vaccinate against COVID, you can't vaccinate against being dumb enough to buy into the conspiracy theories. Some people are just susceptible to them. Nothing you can do.
The proportion of people like that is not set in stone though. The quality of the education people receive, especially at a young age, makes a huge difference.
Morrowwasted, halfway through that article. Great stuff and does seem to be 100% right on.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: metalfaith]
#27051773 - 11/22/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That sucks man. I have a friend who, thank god isnt nearly as bad, but him and his wife NEVER wore their mask and I told them they were stupid.....guess what? They got covid. Now I'm not one to say I told you so......wait no, that is a lie
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: spirit_shadow] 3
#27051787 - 11/22/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh shit did they die
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: yeah]
#27051806 - 11/22/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Better to be safe than sorry.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Hartford]
#27051829 - 11/22/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Being safe is an infringement of our rights.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: morrowasted]
#27051832 - 11/22/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
Asante and Koods, read this article if you haven't already. It's perfect. Really long but absolutely worth every minute of the time it takes to read.
"A Game Designer's Analysis of Q-Anon: Playing with Reality"
That's it.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: metalfaith]
#27051836 - 11/22/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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A childhood friend of mine has gone so far down the Trumpism rabbit hole that he just pulled his daughters out of elementary school because their teacher had a "Black Lives Matter" sign on her office wall. He's lost in the whole Qanon thing. I have had a hell of a time trying to understand how he (and so much of our country) have divorced themselves from reality and are seemingly unopen to anything that doesn't fit into the Trump as savior narrative.
I believe the 'us vs them' mentality that so many of us seem to have these days is a huge problem and major contributing factor to all of this shit. I try not to fall into that way of thinking, but I haven't had much success lately. I've felt such broiling distain an disgust toward all the hardcore Trump supporters that I know I'm as guilty as anybody of falling into the us vs them thing. I just haven't been able to make sense of how so many people could think that way.
Lately, I have been thinking about Trumpism like the flat-earth movement. A person will somehow but into the idea and once they have, facts that don't align with their narrative are tossed.
Here's an article i read the other day that helped me to understand how that happens.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psychiatry-history/202011/support-trump-through-the-lens-narrative-psychology
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: Drooler] 1
#27051848 - 11/22/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to be a low life but a friend of a friend passed away due to covid complications.
I click dude's facebook page and he had a Trump/Pence hat on and a facemask on with it under his nose on purpose, multiple covid jokes from 11/8 and died 2 days ago.
Life comes at ya fast kids.
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Re: My buddy's taken in by a cult of anti vax, anti covid measures, trump praising rightwing cult. [Re: yeah]
#27051853 - 11/22/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah said: oh shit did they die
Nah they still kicking. But they were still idiots for not even trying to protect themselves.
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