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BrendanFlock
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The idea of Murphys law is true and valid..
But how far you should or want to extend is up to you..
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27066202 - 12/01/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rahz said:
"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong"
This can only be possible for people who believe something can "go wrong".
I believe we are the only species on Earth that engages in such wild fantasy.
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. A more interesting question might be to ask oneself how Murphy's law, compares with both Buddha's first noble truth, and the idea of entropy. But that would require more effort than just voicing an opinion.
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without clinging, all 3 noble declarations have their merits, but Entropy the 3rd one seems to drive the changes that the Buddha points out are suffer-able, while Murphy just wants to photo-bomb every angle.
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Rahz
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RJ Tubs 202 said: This can only be possible for people who believe something can "go wrong".
I believe we are the only species on Earth that engages in such wild fantasy.
I suspect many animals find certain happenings undesirable. To what degree they retrospect is less certain.
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27066739 - 12/01/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I suspect many animals find certain happenings undesirable. To what degree they retrospect is less certain.
I agree. But I suspect humans uniquely promote and cultivate additional suffering by elevating undesirable experiences to the status of being "wrong". It's like our obsessive nature of labeling certain things as "problems".
This is a fun practice that I use a lot. Whenever I'm tempted to conclude something has "gone wrong" I say instead, "Something unexpected has happened." I always laugh. When our desires are not fulfilled, we often conclude something is "wrong" or a "problem".
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Well, hard to laugh about some things. I do agree humans make many of their own problems, and often make problems worse by thinking of them as problems.
The law could also be stated, anything that can happen will happen.
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27067373 - 12/01/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know that I'm very sensitive to the dualities of life.
And also, when you are in relative terms- 'sober', your sober and waking consciousness overshadow one another. This can make navigating creativity or common life choices more tricky, because you are navigating between two states of personality.
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Rahz & Tubs etc.
. "Wrong" has 2 different meanings that are confused here.
1) One meaning is when a battle is lost in war, from this perspective something definitely went wrong!
2) The other meaning has to do with personal preferences, & like and dislike, and creating beliefs.
. Murphy's 'law' refers to the first meaning.
. Murphy was not alone in pointing out that anything worthwhile, will necessitate struggle at some point. And that being aware of this, may definitely make a big difference. Many stories are mainly about this fact of life, as it is considered, something kids need to learn. (for example the movie "Rocky", but there are hundreds of such stories). And basic training in the military is precisely about developing the balls to deal with shit.
for example: http://wisdomthroughaction.com/home.html and https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gurdjieff%2C+obstacles&t=h_&ia=web&iai=r1-4&page=1&adx=shv1b&sexp=%7B%22prodexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22prdsdexp%22%3A%22c%22%2C%22biaexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22msvrtexp%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22shv1%22%3A%22b%22%2C%22shvflt%22%3A%22b%22%7D
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27067563 - 12/02/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The law could also be stated, anything that can happen will happen.
might, not will, it is for the might, that we take precautions, if anything will happen then we should arrange a different approach altogether.
we make allowances for what might happen and take it very seriously, but without paranoia.
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Ahh, but that is the crux of Murphy's law. If something doesn't happen then it couldn't have happened. If something does happen it's because it could. There is no might except in our minds.
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27067750 - 12/02/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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then it's only about what happened, not what will or might or could. Murphy is history oriented, not future minded, but we plan for our legacy and that's why Murph gets a place at the table.
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you have to fix everything you come into contact with for this meditation and the best priorities possible is imprtant
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redgreenvines said: then it's only about what happened, not what will or might or could. Murphy is history oriented, not future minded, but we plan for our legacy and that's why Murph gets a place at the table.
I suppose that could lead into a discussion on causality, fate, free will and determination.
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27068092 - 12/02/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If what does happen is only what could happen then what could happen is what will happen. That sounds like causality and fate. But if I am eternally understood then I spark cause myself that is not an effect from something else. Since being is absolute I am the first cause. I think this is the leverage for free will.
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27068096 - 12/02/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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they could also be guests, such long standing members of pre-modern era thinking. Gutenberg and McCluhan should attend too, as part of the beginning of the end. a table of ghosts and ideas.
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27068127 - 12/02/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anything that can happen, will happen
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Rahz
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Yellow Pants said: If what does happen is only what could happen then what could happen is what will happen. That sounds like causality and fate. But if I am eternally understood then I spark cause myself that is not an effect from something else. Since being is absolute I am the first cause. I think this is the leverage for free will.
I tend to see myself, being, as part of a causeless dance.
Yet I do see the logic in causality. I think the only monkey wrench in the idea of fate is a type of randomness that occurs at the quantum level. This would prevent Murphy's law from being what can happen will happen in any strict sense. The butterfly effect of that monkey wrench could have big implications especially if quantum mechanics affects the workings of the brain which I suspect is so.
I'm just playing devil's advocate in suggesting what can happen will happen. What can happen might happen.
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Re: Murphy's Law [Re: Rahz]
#27068330 - 12/02/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are many "Murphy's Laws" http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-laws.html/ and as you can see folks feel free to add to them
They are all meant to combine humor with the fact that "shit happens" which is the short bumper sticker version. It's called putting sugar in the medicine, or sugar coating, a bitter pill.
I have a new Murphy's Law: Any discussion on the internet of "Murphy's Laws" will turn into something pretty humorless, removing the saving grace of the 'original (s)', which the average person easily understands instantly, anyway.
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The point of this thread was to take a serious look at Murphy's law... lighten up
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