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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: jgotti]
#27048973 - 11/20/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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jgotti said: Dose is an important factor when it comes to set and setting. With low doses, set and setting are less of a concern than with high doses.
In my opinion, setting is more important than set. You are vulnerable when tripping (especially with higher doses), and being safe should be a priority. There are any number of serious problems that can occur if you choose the wrong setting.
And setting is probably the one thing you have the most control over when it comes to the psychedelic experience; you can choose where you are going to trip, whether you are going to trip indoors or outdoors, alone or with others, and what types of activities (music, movies, hiking, etc.) that you want to engage in. You have much less control when it comes to set.
Dose has nothing to do with whether or not you'll have a good trip. Just read my previous response. A lower dose will be easier to work with but it still does not mean that you will not have a bad experience. Unless one is doing a microdose, set and setting still needs to be paid attention to.
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Dose has nothing to do with whether or not you'll have a good trip.
I never said it did. I am not talking about the trip itself, which cannot predicted ahead of time. I am referring to set and setting only. These are things that you have some amount of control over. Setting, for example, becomes much more of a priority with high doses. Why? Because, on average, high dose trips will intoxicate you to a much greater degree.
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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: jgotti]
#27049095 - 11/20/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't trying to argue with you but you did say low doses are less of a concern for set and setting which is not true.
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Its not, NOT true.
Its a perspective thing. Some people go out and do just fine at concerts or what ever while on low doses. Knowing you wont be log jammed in your mind can give you freedom to move about just fine.
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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27049466 - 11/20/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I will admit, if I were to go to a public venue like a concert or rave or something, I would do a sub 100 microgram trip. You are still grounded in reality with the smaller trips but that still doesn't mean that somebody might give you some anxiety or something that happened in my situation a few posts above.
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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27049768 - 11/21/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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OutsideOfMyMind said: My biggest concern with set and setting are the people that are going to be around me while I'm tripping whether I am doing an outdoor trip or if I'm tripping inside my house with my roommate sleeping at night. The people who are around you during a trip can make or break your trip. Some people are just fucking annoying or negative and you don't even realize how fucking annoying or negative they are until you are on a psychedelic near them.
I will give an example of two separate 60 microgram trips on LSD (both from the same batch of lsd), one with a good set and setting and the other with an unplanned set and setting.
So it was about 6pm when I decided to try a low dose of 60ug. My roommate was still awake. He doesn't know I do drugs so I figured 60 would be low enough if I needed to have a conversation with him about anything. I'm an unofficial live-in caretaker for this 83 year old man. About 2 hours into the dose my roommate asks me if I want to ride in the car with him to the grocery store real quick. I figured I needed to grab a couple groceries so I said sure. BAD MISTAKE!!! Getting to the store was no problem. I grabbed the items I needed and we went back to the car. Here is where things get shitty. My roommate is fucking stupid. While he was trying to reverse his car he was asking me if he was "clear" I said I don't know just look in your reverse camera, there's nobody coming. I forget what else he asked me but I got so much anxiety I got to the point where I just fucking yelled out, "What is so fucking difficult about reversing a goddamn car just fucking go already there's nobody walking behind you!!" I was literally a split second away from getting the fuck out of the car and telling him that I'm going to fucking walk home to get the fuck away from him. I decided to keep my cool and stay in the car and just do some slow deep breathing and just try to ignore him. he kept fucking talking on the drive home and he was really fucking pissing me off and giving me anxiety. From that point forward I vowed never ever ever to go in a car with him no matter if I'm sober or not. Fuck that mess. When I got home my mind was filled with anxiety. I went to my bedroom and I just simply laid in my bed trying to calm my mind down for the next 15 to 20 minutes or so. Emotionally I felt like I was just about to have a hypomanic episode or some sort of anxiety episode. It really took a lot out of me to calm my mind down. Once I had calmed down I enjoyed the rest of the trip.
Now let me explain about a trip that was also 60 micrograms from the same batch of LSD where everything was perfect. I made sure to dose AFTER my roommate went to sleep for the night. Even though lsd is a stimulant, I felt extremely relaxed mentally and emotionally. It was actually one of my most favorite trips. I don't really need to give any details about this trip but my mind was at complete ease.
This is why set and setting is so important. It literally makes or breaks your trip. The difference with set and setting is having a nightmare of a trip versus having one of the most beautiful trips ever.
Great post! 100% agreed on some people totally fucking it up. You don't even need to be tripping; life itself is a type of trip and people still suck LOL. It's the small talk BS that drives me up the wall. I can't stand that shit!
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Loaded Shaman said: I'd agree any positive attitude is the way to go about it. You can remain detached from outcome/expectation and still be positive. In fact, that's usually what gets you through.
What TV game shows are we speaking of?

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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman] 1
#27050570 - 11/21/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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For sure dose is an important consideration with set and setting. It's a more private and personal experience with big doses as well. Adding a guest introduces another uncontrolled variable to a big trip (may be good or bad).
When going for big trips and doses, I now spend a lot of time preparing the set up and setting. Prepare with care, plan for various contingencies and take a ride with everything set up to easily and quickly accommodate oneself (e.g., food, drink, audio, video, lighting, temperature, blankets. On a big trip, simply switching music can become very challenging , so I even preload a bunch of options. I would only do big trips among a few of my best friends (who would join in and and likely match me). I find at high doses guests don't matter a lot to me... as about half the trip, two hours or so, will have minimal-to-non-existent communication. The experience slowly builds to a peak, while also narrowing over that time to a more and more inward focus.
Lower dose trips are much more manageable and one can be flexible with the set and setting. E.g., outdoors, social settings, groups and strangers, etc.
I just took my biggest trip ever yesterday and the set and setting was super important (I posted details about the trip in this subforum), mushroom tea with 3.5 grams Albino Penis Envy. The tea was lemon tek'd for maximum potency and 45 minutes after taking the tea, I vaped a strong sativa cannabis (Acapulco Gold). It was impressive. Pretty crazy trip at times. Still processing.
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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: alpha-omega]
#27051400 - 11/22/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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alpha-omega said: For sure dose is an important consideration with set and setting. It's a more private and personal experience with big doses as well. Adding a guest introduces another uncontrolled variable to a big trip (may be good or bad).
When going for big trips and doses, I now spend a lot of time preparing the set up and setting. Prepare with care, plan for various contingencies and take a ride with everything set up to easily and quickly accommodate oneself (e.g., food, drink, audio, video, lighting, temperature, blankets. On a big trip, simply switching music can become very challenging , so I even preload a bunch of options. I would only do big trips among a few of my best friends (who would join in and and likely match me). I find at high doses guests don't matter a lot to me... as about half the trip, two hours or so) will be where communication is minimal to non-existent... with the experience slowly building to a peak, consistent with a narrowed, more inward focus.
Lower dose trips are much more manageable and one can be flexible with the set and setting. E.g., outdoors, social settings, groups and strangers, etc.
I just took my biggest trip ever yesterday and the set and setting was super important (I posted details about the trip in this subforum), mushroom tea with 3.5 grams Albino Penis Envy. The tea was lemon tek'd for maximum potency and 45 minutes after taking the tea, I vaped a strong sativa cannabis (Acapulco Gold). It was impressive. Pretty crazy trip at times. Still processing.
Well spoken, and welcome! 
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