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Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza
    #2704752 - 05/20/04 09:58 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza

Israeli troops have opened fire during a protest by Palestinian demonstrators in the town of Rafah in southern Gaza.
At least 10 people were killed and 60 injured, though some reports put the number of casualties higher.

The army expressed deep sorrow for the loss of innocent life, but said tanks and a helicopter had fired warning shots to stop crowds entering the area.

US President George W Bush called for restraint from both sides and said he had asked Israel for "clarification".

"It is essential that people respect innocent life in order for us to achieve peace," he said.

But Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat called for international observers to protect his people, describing the events in Rafah as "atrocious crimes".

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Reuters news agency quoted the UN special human rights envoy in the Palestinian territories, John Dugard, as saying that the strikes were "war crimes" and amounted to collective punishment violating humanitarian and international human rights law.

The Israeli military said it was too early to say exactly what had happened, although it suggested that explosives laid by Palestinians could have been responsible.

Army spokeswoman Brigadier General Ruth Yaron said that Israeli forces had fired warning shots after seeing "armed men in the midst of the demonstration".

"Tank shells were fired at [an abandoned] structure, at no point in the direction of the demonstrators," she said, although she admitted that it was possible that there may have been "casualties as a result of the tank shells".

"We regret the loss of innocent life and are offering to treat those who are injured in our hospitals," she added.


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2704934 - 05/20/04 11:28 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

How can the US not condem this? It's not like it was a 'targetted assasination attempt' or an act of self-defence 

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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: MetaShroom]
    #2705019 - 05/20/04 11:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

UN passed a resolution condemning the murder of civilans and destruction of their homes, US abstained.

Same as it ever was.

But remember, Bush believes in "freedom"...


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: Xlea321]
    #2705060 - 05/20/04 12:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

... about as much as he acts within the teachings of Christ.


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: MetaShroom]
    #2705334 - 05/20/04 01:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

How can the US not condem this?
Because if they did, they'd be condemning their own actions in Iraq :wink:


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: trendal]
    #2705629 - 05/20/04 02:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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How can the US not condem this?
Because if they did, they'd be condemning their own actions in Iraq :wink:



More like we'd be condemning the actions of our closest ally during an election year.


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2705667 - 05/20/04 02:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Reuters news agency quoted the UN special human rights envoy in the Palestinian territories, John Dugard, as saying that the strikes were "war crimes" and amounted to collective punishment violating humanitarian and international human rights law.





It is sad that the same people that find this so wrong and awful don't have any issue at all with the people that brainwash children into strapping bombs onto their bodies, walking into public places, and killing as many innocent civilians as they can while going out in a blaze of glory.

One side wears a uniform, therefore it is a war crime?

I'm not defending one side or the other... both of them are equally wrong in what they are doing to each other... and neither of them seem to want peace.


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: Seuss]
    #2705696 - 05/20/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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It is sad that the same people that find this so wrong and awful don't have any issue at all with the people that brainwash children into strapping bombs onto their bodies, walking into public places, and killing as many innocent civilians as they can while going out in a blaze of glory.



What people are you referring to? I've never met anyone who says they support suicide bombers.


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: Seuss]
    #2705699 - 05/20/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, but one side has the support of the US and the other side doesnt.

thats a BIG difference


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: Seuss]
    #2705734 - 05/20/04 02:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Seuss said:
It is sad that the same people that find this so wrong and awful don't have any issue at all with the people that brainwash children into strapping bombs onto their bodies, walking into public places, and killing as many innocent civilians as they can while going out in a blaze of glory.

One side wears a uniform, therefore it is a war crime?

I'm not defending one side or the other... both of them are equally wrong in what they are doing to each other... and neither of them seem to want peace.




I think they are equally wrong, but I don't see why it should be necessary to always criticise both sides in every sentance.

How dare you condem both sides of the Israeli-Palestine conflict without condeming massacres by religious militants in Sudan! You must be a supporter of mass rape and murders :mad2: :rolleyes:


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2705877 - 05/20/04 03:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah, but one side has the support of the US and the other side doesnt.

thats a BIG difference



Exactly. We aren't giving millions of dollars to Hammas.


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: silversoul7]
    #2705888 - 05/20/04 03:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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We aren't giving millions of dollars to Hammas.





whatever helps you sleep at night :lol:


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: silversoul7]
    #2706632 - 05/20/04 05:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Silver you hit 'M' when you should have hit 'B'


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
    #2706642 - 05/20/04 05:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Habbas?  :wink:


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
    #2706679 - 05/20/04 05:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

depends on who you're talking to.

In England I believe "Million" means 1,000,000,000 and "billion" means 1,000,000.

Maybe some dirty limey would like to confirm or deny this.


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: silversoul7]
    #2706688 - 05/20/04 05:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

no he's talking about suicide bobbers  :mad2:


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2706713 - 05/20/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
  depends on who you're talking to.

In England I believe "Million" means 1,000,000,000 and "billion" means 1,000,000.

Maybe some dirty limey would like to confirm or deny this.




no a million means 1,000,000 and always has. A billion used to mean 1,000,000,000,000 but you yankees couldn't cope with that so you chopped off 3 zeros and forced it back down our throats - now only a few people use it like that and it's mostly regarded as old fashioned. 1,000,000,000 used to be a "milliard" but I guess thats too French-sounding  :tongue:


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    #2706745 - 05/20/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2706764 - 05/20/04 06:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What's your view on this then? Do you think it's right that the US admistration have refused to condem the attack?


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Re: Israelis fire on crowds in Gaza [Re: MetaShroom]
    #2706851 - 05/20/04 06:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

They did in a more subtle manner. By abstaining from the vote the resolution was able to pass.


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