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BrotherDekatessera
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Why are so many of you assholes? 2
#27046901 - 11/19/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a feeling that I may catch a ban hammer for this, maybe not..
But I have to say something about this: Why is it that 9 out of ten people with a TC tag are straight assholes? I have read hundreds and hundreds of threads here over the years and it is not like its not an obvious trend.
Yea I get the point that noobs are annoying as fuck. I been teaching patients and random stoner idiots to grow organic cannabis for around two decades. I understand how frustrating it is when you say dude 2+2=4 and the asshat replies "yea but if I pretend that 2+2=7 cant I inject cat piss directly in to a plant stem and make the nugs purple?" I get it you just want to headbutt the person in the hopes it activates their brain. ..
Im not talking about that though.. Im talking about the stuff that just looks like pure hate and salt. One example being all the threads on psilo extraction where TC's jump in and shut the thread down because "ALL YOURE DOING IS PRODUCING USELESS SALTS" and so on ... I mean this has to be from a place of pure hate or salt from their own failures.. extraction is 100% possible, its easy, and the "tek" is published and was patented. Shulgin supplied us with an even EASIER method, that also works just fine. So why do certain TC's go apeshit and freak out when someone talks about it, blatantly lying to people claiming its all just a fantasy and close the thread (for the record, before anyone asks, yes I HAVE DONE IT MYSELF, successfully, we make herbal products that are hundred of times more difficult.) ... kind of undermines the "trusted" in "trusted cultivator" when childish lash outs shut down conversations on false grounds, which are obviously false to anyone with the experience.
A lot of these threads Im referring just become TC's slinging shit at people that likely have more experience/knowledge despite not having a TC tag. And it is often in the 14-year-old-sjw-with-purple-hair style "OH EM GEEZ LIKE, you are like so dumb and like totally wrong that like duh youre wrong so duh i like totally dont have to even argue with you.. cause Im right"
the ole build-a-self-deluded-high-horse-from-which-to-dismiss-things-you-cant-debate isnt new, its obvious, its childish, pathetic, and demonstrates the weakness of the mind issuing it. Its just plain reactionary smoke-screening of ones own cognitive dissonance.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26962164/fpart/2/vc/1#26962164
is a perfect example. I get Josex doesnt have a TC tag but is highly respected on the site.. this kind of thing happens all the time. This dude provides a solid perspective from someone that does mold removal for a living, trying to clarify the difference between aerial contaminants and those introduced by spawn.
the immediate cult like insistence that coir is magical and cant spawn contaminants comes in to play by josex and TC's... and is aggressively enforced with nothing but snark and holier than thou crap when in reality it is the most asinine claim currently being cult-worshipped in this community. If contaminants cant grow on wet coir, then guess what, contaminants cant grow on wet aluminum ducting as was pointed out in that other thread. To think that molds can grow on a glass window but then believe that it is a magical impossibility on coir... not only makes you sound dumb, but it makes me wonder how many of the TC's who say this grow as often as you claim because if you have never had wet coir left over in a bucket that spawned a mold with no grain spawn introduced.. then you prolly havent spent much time pasteurizing coir. Also, all respect to Bod, but when he pops in and says "dude you can fruit outside" .. totally ignores the fact that if your sub made it that far OUTSIDE, it HAS IMMUNITY. Our indoor grows are weak AF, like a bubble boy in a mask deathly afraid of a simple flu, sanitizing his hands every 45 seconds.. no immunity, weak, and fragile. So again, a logical faceplant to justify a cult like fantasy that coir is a supermaterial with magical abilities to nullify nature. This is akin to the "growers" growing cannabis hydroponically and with chemical nutrients that cant figure out why 80% of their work is avoiding contamination and infection when organic grows can be more or less ignored AND FLOURISH. A cannabis greenhouse, with plants in organic soil (we are talking actual organic living soil here, not something you call organic because the plastic bottles you bought it in told you it is) can be left wide open TO the wind, pests, etc with wild humidity and temp fluctuations, and still grow better medicine than most indoor rooms. Stamets has commented extensively on the importance of IMMUNIZED mycelium. Too ignore this and then point out that "mushrooms fruit outside" ... I mean come on Bod I KNOW youre smarter than that bro, I been reading your posts for years.
Like was pointed out in that thread, stop living like a filthy wook, and you wouldn't have to pretend your dirty house isnt the problem. (this may not be anyone, but I KNOW its some of you)
I dont want to get stuck on coir here, because coir isnt the issue, that and extraction are just good examples of the cult of TC coming out and bleating ancient nonsense from outdated "hero" cult figures like RR. Respect to those who built bases, but worshipping their mistakes is as ridiculous as following your friend off a cliff because you think they're cool, and they taught you were the hidden item was in that one videogame.
So whats the deal? Why are yall such a bunch of assholes? How is it that psilo and other entheogens open the mind, but the group that is proposed by shroomery to be highly experienced in this is super close minded about the thing itself. Seems kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
What further baffles me is the more subtle contradiction of know-it-all-ism that plagues these threads:
The same TC's that are dead blind to half the relevant science and obsessed with cultlike worship of outdated and unscientific OPINIONS, are also the ones that take immense pride in dropping in and declaring how "debunked" something is when some noob brings up another outdated concept. Noobs are retards for holding on to X info that we have moved on from.. but somehow TC's arent retards for holding on to Y info that we have moved on from..
(not to mention that some of the extraction "teks" are older than the internet, no less shroomery of the modern "community"
Sorry but thats just not how reality works.
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I don’t think this belongs in the mushroom cultivation forum  I’m hoping we can move it somewhere better, like the irrelevant complaint section.
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You must be reading a different shroomery than me cause I don't see it. The only time I see "innovation" shut down is when it is being attempted by someone who doesn't even know the basics. How are you going to reinvent the wheel when you don't even know what a circle is yet?! You really think if someone like pasty posts a thread on some crazy new experiment that people are going to blast him?
I don't see anyone saying mold CAN'T grow on coir, just that in the chain of events that has taken place, it is the least likely culprit to the problem. I swear every single time someone is convinced it's their air or room or coir they end up posting a picture of their spawn and it's bacterial as fuck. The only time ever in 3 years of growing have I seen mold pop up on coir was when I left a wooden spoon in a sealed bucket for a couple weeks and only the spoon had mold on it. You know how people know we can fruit outside? Cause people fruit outside...
I see people supported and helped every single day on this site and they are the people who want to learn and can take direction from people who know the basics through and through
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Re: Why are so many of you assholes? [Re: pureshrooming]
#27047072 - 11/19/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mold can grow on almost anything.
It can't GERMINATE on anything lacking in nutrients..
When mold grows on a window, or ducting, it started on the wood that said window or ducting is mounted to.
Do you have a mass spectrometer? If not there's no way to prove that the crystals In your extract are psilocybin
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Re: Why are so many of you assholes? [Re: Camera93]
#27047086 - 11/19/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's just how it is.
RogerRabbit and Bod, two very respected members of this community said this to someone having trouble with fungus gnats.
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RogerRabbit said: Fungus gnats don't eat. Their only purpose is to lay eggs, which probably won't have time to hatch and grow into maggots before you harvest. It's best not to attempt clean culture in the same room with plants, but the bottom line is the gnats aren't going to eat or contaminate your project. They're attracted to the sweet smell of your substrate as a future food source for their offspring. RR
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bodhisatta said: A simple fan will keep them from being able to enter your tubs or even the room the tubs are in. But prevention is the best strategy.
They're no more vectors than the air in your home that you use for FAE. Which is laden with the exact same spores and bacteria
Both are completely wrong. https://news.psu.edu/story/423023/2016/08/30/research/lord-gnats Fellow graduate student Maria Mazin has been able to show that not only are female gnats attracted to the green mold, but they probably bring it in the house and spread it around as they lay eggs. Then, when the larvae develop and emerge as adults from the compost, the fungi stick to their bodies and are carried further. “My lab is using science to validate what the farmers have seen,” says Cloonan. “When you talk to them and they respond ‘We knew it!’ that’s what cool — we can prove the anecdotal stories floating around.”
Scientific fucking proof that Fungus Gnats are INSANELY attracted to green molds. Their bodies get coated with it and they bring it into mushroom houses. Causing reduced yields and total losses in some cases.
It has nothing to do with spore, they are dragging live green mold on their bodies and in their travels decide to oviposit in your substrate, leaving behind trichoderma that'll grow for their larvae to eat.
I love these guys and I have high respect for them but fuck me sideways. Fungus Gnats are not just a minor annoyance they're a severe pest and a huge contamination vector for what we do for fucks sakes. It's right there, read it, know it.
You need to stop suggesting that people put out vinegar bowls and pieces of fruit. That's bad advice because it doesn't address the problem. A female can lay up to 200 eggs. What the fuck are you gonna do if she dies in the bowl after that?
All plants in the home, use BTI. BTI can also be safely applied to a substrate I've done it. Then use a flying insect killer that contains pyrethrin in your home. Get any fish and cats out first. It's toxic to them. It degrades fairly rapidly and smells kinda nice. Don't get it in your eyes and try not to huff too much of it.
There, a fuckin spray bottle with some water and BTI granules in it to kill larvae and a quick fog of the home with something like Raid Max Flying Insect Killer. The problem is over, it's done. They won't contaminate your substrates anymore by dragging in filth and LIVE mold. Spores may have a hard time on a coir sub but Trich? You're giving living trich exactly what it wants, your mycellium.
Why fuck around?
All respect to RR and Bod, but you're wrong. Don't give me the gears about it Go take it up with the entomologists at Penn State that glued fungus gnats to sticks and shit.
Nobody on Shroomery should be telling anyone that is cultivating that fungus gnats are harmless. This is dumb advice and you're potentially setting people up for failure, the proof is in the pudding I just served you. Stop.
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Re: Why are so many of you assholes? [Re: starbones]
#27047095 - 11/19/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Starbones, I gotta know how old are the quotes you just posted.
Id expect that kind of thing from them a decade ago. But not in 2020
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Re: Why are so many of you assholes? [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#27047114 - 11/19/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It was 12 days ago, November 7th 2020.
Yeah. It pissed me off because a person green behind the ears was asking for guidance, they swoop in, give incorrect information and bounce. Now you've programmed the new fella to think that information was correct because he saw your TC tags, I guess.
After reading some of the horseshit around here like a TCs understanding of superspawning or another having a complete mental breakdown about oatmeal. Fuck.
I'm not here to rot on Bod and RR I respect and trust them for the most part but I know when I see bullshit. Still respect them though but there is something very fucked up about the information around here sometimes. There's also some weird bizarre holdover attraction to homemade nonsense that is next level stupid. Like building a magnetic stirrer out of bullshit.. like what the fuck? Spend money buying parts, then take a day to put it together?
Fuck off. A magnetic stirrer is a 20 bill on Amazon. That's 2 hours at a minimum wage job. Then you get something purpose built not McGuyvered garbage. What a pisstake that was.
I see that with people and dehydrators, the whole DIY fire hazard thing. You're going to spend more money building that piece of shit and time that could have been spent at a minimum wage job instead to have something, again built for the purpose. I just don't understand the logic behind this shit. If you're growing mushrooms in bulk you should probably have a few bucks for a dehydrator.
I'm ornery, I get it. It's just to the point where my mental transmission can't find the right gear with half the nonsense.
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Edited by starbones (11/19/20 11:01 AM)
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: There's more than one TC for a reason. We have different opinions and were not infalible.
Also no crybaby asshurt threads in cultivation
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