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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27043325 - 11/17/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I think setting is everything and who you are with or not with.  Strange you didn't like nature as it is my favorite place and my apartment I don't enjoy it.  Feels clausterphobic.  Maybe because of spending a lot of time in jail because of "drugs".

To each their own and found it interesting how you only take it when feeling off centered and life experiences that are negative like a break up or such.  I.M.E. when happy and centered can also bring such insight and spiritual progression.  Places in ones mind that were not apparent in the subconscious become so and one keeps progressing through our little time here on earth. 

Will be nice if they ever legalize all plants and fungi in the States and get rid of the Nixon era controlled substance list.  That would take so much of the paranoia away from it among other benefits of how much that has fucked people over for almost 50 years now.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Barnaby]
    #27043449 - 11/17/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

basically this is not about good or bad trips, or how to have the best trip ever and then Instagram it to make others jealous; it is about understanding the nature of trips, the texture of them, and what part we play in the experiences we live through.

If I say consider set and setting, I don't mean
"consider set and setting before your trip"
I do mean
"consider set and setting now and always to understand your experience"
It has to become part of tripping (and living) or you miss your whole agency relevance thing.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27043549 - 11/17/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Agency relevance "thing".  I know it goes deep and would take a hell of a lot of time to write about it.  Get the rest of the post but go deeper on that last part if you choose.

And yes, Groucho was waaaay ahead of his time watching youtube vids of him and his views.
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I avoid it like the plague in altered states of consciousness with strangers unless I drink then is a lowering of the mind and destructive to the body and consciousness.  Lowers it to where the bland can actually be entertaining.

I get why alcohol, caffeine, adderall,  like Bill Maher put it, for a productive and energized society to work for those in control, bosses, and government and those that control the government and labor for them. 

Blah.  Sun is out.  Time to go hit some tennis balls against a wall.  Body and mind.  Feed them both.  At a perfect weight and am bored but in Covid year, whatever.  No one likes to hear a complainer.  One just adjusts.

Listen to someone who bitches about life and their problems while on anything that is not esoteric.  I walked in and started to talk to my brother long ago while he was drunk with his girlfriend watching a movie and talking to them noticed the dumbed down effect of alcohol.  Nothing against it, just being objective. 

My mind was spiraling with all these amazing thoughts and realizations but they couldn't understand any of it.  That will always stick with me.  Same, a long time ago so don't judge.  Driving with my friend on L.S.D. and dropping him off at another friends house as I had something to do.

I will always remember when I arrived back him running out the front door saying loudly, HE DOESN'T GET IT!  In almost a panic type of state which made me laugh.  When all the ego is removed and the purity of it and how bad he wanted to go back to the conversations we were having together in that mind state.  Then pulling up to the stop sign and stopping.  Looking at it.  S, 3-D image floating from it directly to my mind in a hearbeat.  T., O., P.,  Strange but made perfect sense which makes me laugh. 

The humdrum of everyday life but there is a world beneath the conscious level that is so interesting that most just take for what it is day to day and what a boring way to go about ones lifetime.  And I am sorry.  A guy with an actual peg leg, couldn't make this up, at a convience store as where else would a man be with it, I broke out laughing.  Not at him mind you just at the absurdity of it all.

This makes people uncomfortable of course.  Hence nature.  It doesn't judge and doesn't care.  And animals and deer like me.  Don't want to shoot or kill them.  Everything is connected and they sense love and the opposite of which is violence and those that are blind to their connection to everything.  Even the trees and environment and so on. 

We may visit here but we are a part of it all.  I love it.  So fuck Covid within reason and those people that are destructive physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.  I don't need to be around it as least as I can.  Judging does no good and is a waste of time.  Keen observation which psychedelics provide in my life is a doorway through it.



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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Barnaby]
    #27044194 - 11/17/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience I've found set to be slightly more important than setting,however,as others have said tripping with the wrong people is a recipe for disaster. Because their mindset can affect your trip alot. For me set is divided into two categories long term and short term. Short term is how I feel that day and how I've felt throughout the week. Long term is trickier cuz it basically includes your whole life lol I've had times when I wanted to trip,great short term mindset, but I chose not to because of ongoing personal issues. Bottom line learn meditation. This is an invaluable skill that will help you cultivate the proper mindset. As for setting,even if though I consider set to be the greater factor, setting cannot be understated. Simply exercising common sense will help a long way here. Personally I find nature to be the best setting as most do but I've had many,many mind blowing trips in the comfort of my home as well. I would advise against tripping in crowded places for sure. To many influences


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: EarthwormJim]
    #27044262 - 11/17/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yeah.  On to my DMT trip.  in my apartment.  the people around here.  not the most live and let live.  it is fucking cold.  On with it. no need to overanalyze it.  Give way to fear and worry.  NO.

I find a sense of humor works great in these situations.

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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27044752 - 11/18/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




:whathesaid:

Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.






Yeah, sometimes depends if a person is just thinking about the short term (a good/fun trip) or a more therapeutic experience in the long term. Personally think the whole notion of 'good' and 'bad' trips is often a big part of the problem to be honest. People try too hard to avoid the dark side of the experience and their own minds and inevitably end up making it worse.

But tripping with the wrong kind of people is still a very bad idea!




I think the biggest issue is people don't realize what sort of intentions they're setting for a trip (I'd actually take it further and assert most people have a massive unconscious/subconscious disconnect between their thoughts and behaviors anyway, and tripping only turns the contrast up to show you this IF you have the awareness to see/grasp wtf is happening, lol), both good and/or bad, before going in.

There's this sweet spot of detachment, but also intention to not succumb to negativity if it should rear its head.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27045089 - 11/18/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




:whathesaid:

Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.






Yeah, sometimes depends if a person is just thinking about the short term (a good/fun trip) or a more therapeutic experience in the long term. Personally think the whole notion of 'good' and 'bad' trips is often a big part of the problem to be honest. People try too hard to avoid the dark side of the experience and their own minds and inevitably end up making it worse.

But tripping with the wrong kind of people is still a very bad idea!




I think the biggest issue is people don't realize what sort of intentions they're setting for a trip (I'd actually take it further and assert most people have a massive unconscious/subconscious disconnect between their thoughts and behaviors anyway, and tripping only turns the contrast up to show you this IF you have the awareness to see/grasp wtf is happening, lol), both good and/or bad, before going in.

There's this sweet spot of detachment, but also intention to not succumb to negativity if it should rear its head.




A genuine intention that will not be obliterated on first contact is of immense importance in my experience. It's one reason I'm always a little wary when I see people who seem to be expending too much energy thinking how to make things perfect (and avoid a bad trip) or when their intention seems to be purely focused upon fun or having a good time.

Maybe some people can get away with that (especially early on when the need for an intention is less apparent) and more power to them, but personally (especially with canabis) my mind has a habit of pushing in the exact opposite direction of whichever I consciously attempt to impose upon it! It was only by letting go of even trying to control or direct the experience for better or worse, that I began to understand what you yourself refered to as a sweet spot of detachment.

To be honest I think the only true intention I ever developed that actually guided and helped me when (bad) tripping, and that was not contaminated by ego, was to face my fears and become less cowardly.

It's not enough just to make up an intention before hand because you've been told, or seen on the shroomery that that is what you are supposed to do! If one doesn't actually believe in the intention on a deeper subconcious level then it will not only be useless, but counterproductive!

There is little worse than getting stuck in a seriously bad trip with no genuine good reason for being there other than that tripping and psychedelics is just who you are, and how one defines himself! Had plenty of those why trips in my time!


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27045228 - 11/18/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

when we are disconnected is when we need to trip most badly.
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...most people have a massive unconscious/subconscious disconnect between their thoughts and behaviors anyway...




A lot of what we experience is in between what we think of as a decent part of our life and what we avoid or discard as crazy, erroneous, noisy, brutish, broken, dirty, etc. but still engages our minds until we are distracted by what seems more agreeable, which we latch onto.

After latching onto that which is good enough for social media we become disconnected from the in-between stuff that is 90% or more of our day. This is what is meant by the massive disconnect, the habit of scrubbing our lives of grime and crumbs, hair, pimples, pus, piss, poop, phlegm, meanness, greed, violence, etc. as well as the bulk of our inner child's reactions to all of that.  Basically lack of awareness, and lack of honesty about what is and is not happening in our lives.

Mind set is all about attitude and habits, not so much about feeling depressed which is feelings or mood. Also Mind set is constrained by anything chronic with medical overtones which is a different kettle of fish.

Attitude or habits can steer you into rough water, but medical conditions are rough water, while feelings and mood are natural in-between realities that can bloom into insights with psychedelics.


Please do think about mind set and its myriad impacts, but do not get bogged down in obsessing about it.

Try to see that your attitude is the driving mode that will color the trip way more than mood or feelings.

separately, if you have medicalized psychological issues, those conditions can be an overriding mind set, requiring that your setting be medically compliant - i.e. paid for professionals should be involved.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27046645 - 11/19/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A genuine intention that will not be obliterated on first contact is of immense importance in my experience. It's one reason I'm always a little wary when I see people who seem to be expending too much energy thinking how to make things perfect (and avoid a bad trip) or when their intention seems to be purely focused upon fun or having a good time.

Maybe some people can get away with that (especially early on when the need for an intention is less apparent) and more power to them, but personally (especially with canabis) my mind has a habit of pushing in the exact opposite direction of whichever I consciously attempt to impose upon it! It was only by letting go of even trying to control or direct the experience for better or worse, that I began to understand what you yourself refered to as a sweet spot of detachment.

To be honest I think the only true intention I ever developed that actually guided and helped me when (bad) tripping, and that was not contaminated by ego, was to face my fears and become less cowardly.

It's not enough just to make up an intention before hand because you've been told, or seen on the shroomery that that is what you are supposed to do! If one doesn't actually believe in the intention on a deeper subconscious level then it will not only be useless, but counterproductive!

There is little worse than getting stuck in a seriously bad trip with no genuine good reason for being there other than that tripping and psychedelics is just who you are, and how one defines himself! Had plenty of those why trips in my time!




Great post and you nailed it in the bolded part there. That's the real Law of Attraction; actual subconscious understanding and integration of intention as a function OF your consciousness - NOT as a preconceived notion based entirely in external concepts that have no integration with your consciousness.

Pretentious way of saying "Most people fuck this up", lol.

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A lot of what we experience is in between what we think of as a decent part of our life and what we avoid or discard as crazy, erroneous, noisy, brutish, broken, dirty, etc. but still engages our minds until we are distracted by what seems more agreeable, which we latch onto.

After latching onto that which is good enough for social media we become disconnected from the in-between stuff that is 90% or more of our day. This is what is meant by the massive disconnect, the habit of scrubbing our lives of grime and crumbs, hair, pimples, pus, piss, poop, phlegm, meanness, greed, violence, etc. as well as the bulk of our inner child's reactions to all of that.  Basically lack of awareness, and lack of honesty about what is and is not happening in our lives.

Mind set is all about attitude and habits, not so much about feeling depressed which is feelings or mood. Also Mind set is constrained by anything chronic with medical overtones which is a different kettle of fish.

Attitude or habits can steer you into rough water, but medical conditions are rough water, while feelings and mood are natural in-between realities that can bloom into insights with psychedelics.


Please do think about mind set and its myriad impacts, but do not get bogged down in obsessing about it.

Try to see that your attitude is the driving mode that will color the trip way more than mood or feelings.

separately, if you have medicalized psychological issues, those conditions can be an overriding mind set, requiring that your setting be medically compliant - i.e. paid for professionals should be involved.




Great insights as always, redgreenvines!


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27046714 - 11/19/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

cool

the best psychedelic for that is lsd in my opinion

then shrooms


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Barnaby]
    #27046920 - 11/19/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

To me set & setting is the most important thing because of the massive doses I take that melt my face off.I feel as the dose goes up the setting gets more important. A small dose you could do anywhere & control, a 10g dose you better be in your room with everything set because you can't even function to un-pause the music (it was a quiet trip that time). Mentally I have to be in a good mood & not tired or I will wait for another day. As some people have said they trip when depressed & it helps which I can believe. I just don't like the negativity in my head & don't want to take a chance on a high dose trip.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Shroomtrooper]
    #27047199 - 11/19/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Set - overrated. Tripping solves problems, why not trip when something's bugging you? That just seems like being too scared to reap the full benefits

Setting - single most important factor in a trip (besides dosage). Your environment will dictate a very large amount of what you experience. Tripping around people who you don't know (and who are not tripping) can seriously ruin a trip. Other scary things too, obviously


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #27048235 - 11/20/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Set - overrated. Tripping solves problems, why not trip when something's bugging you? That just seems like being too scared to reap the full benefits

Setting - single most important factor in a trip (besides dosage). Your environment will dictate a very large amount of what you experience. Tripping around people who you don't know (and who are not tripping) can seriously ruin a trip. Other scary things too, obviously




Your first point sounds like an oversimplification, while your second point appears to also contradict your first...?

So don't worry about who's around, but also people that you don't know could ruin your trip...?


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27048364 - 11/20/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

self discovery is a good mindset/attitude.
rarely, but sometimes, self discovery can happen at a party, but at that point it may feel like a tv game show too.

what is it with tv game shows?


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27048381 - 11/20/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'd agree any positive attitude is the way to go about it. You can remain detached from outcome/expectation and still be positive. In fact, that's usually what gets you through.

What TV game shows are we speaking of?


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27048429 - 11/20/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wheel of Fortune & The Tonight Show....maybe StarTrek.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27048719 - 11/20/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd agree any positive attitude is the way to go about it. You can remain detached from outcome/expectation and still be positive. In fact, that's usually what gets you through.

What TV game shows are we speaking of?





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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27048837 - 11/20/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

haha time with japanese game show
but what about the people in it?
do they really have to bite the shoe?


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27048874 - 11/20/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dose is an important factor when it comes to set and setting. With low doses, set and setting are less of a concern than with high doses.

In my opinion, setting is more important than set. You are vulnerable when tripping (especially with higher doses), and being safe should be a priority. There are any number of serious problems that can occur if you choose the wrong setting.

And setting is probably the one thing you have the most control over when it comes to the psychedelic experience; you can choose where you are going to trip, whether you are going to trip indoors or outdoors, alone or with others, and what types of activities (music, movies, hiking, etc.) that you want to engage in. You have much less control when it comes to set.


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    #27048954 - 11/20/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

My biggest concern with set and setting are the people that are going to be around me while I'm tripping whether I am doing an outdoor trip or if I'm tripping inside my house with my roommate sleeping at night. The people who are around you during a trip can make or break your trip. Some people are just fucking annoying or negative and you don't even realize how fucking annoying or negative they are until you are on a psychedelic near them.

I will give an example of two separate 60 microgram trips on LSD (both from the same batch of lsd), one with a good set and setting and the other with an unplanned set and setting.

So it was about 6pm when I decided to try a low dose of 60ug. My roommate was still awake. He doesn't know I do drugs so I figured 60 would be low enough if I needed to have a conversation with him about anything. I'm an unofficial live-in caretaker for this 83 year old man. About 2 hours into the dose my roommate asks me if I want to ride in the car with him to the grocery store real quick. I figured I needed to grab a couple groceries so I said sure. BAD MISTAKE!!! Getting to the store was no problem. I grabbed the items I needed and we went back to the car. Here is where things get shitty. My roommate is fucking stupid. While he was trying to reverse his car he was asking me if he was "clear" I said I don't know just look in your reverse camera, there's nobody coming. I forget what else he asked me but I got so much anxiety I got to the point where I just fucking yelled out, "What is so fucking difficult about reversing a goddamn car just fucking go already there's nobody walking behind you!!" I was literally a split second away from getting the fuck out of the car and telling him that I'm going to fucking walk home to get the fuck away from him. I decided to keep my cool and stay in the car and just do some slow deep breathing and just try to ignore him. he kept fucking talking on the drive home and he was really fucking pissing me off and giving me anxiety. From that point forward I vowed never ever ever to go in a car with him no matter if I'm sober or not. Fuck that mess. When I got home my mind was filled with anxiety. I went to my bedroom and I just simply laid in my bed trying to calm my mind down for the next 15 to 20 minutes or so. Emotionally I felt like I was just about to have a hypomanic episode or some sort of anxiety episode. It really took a lot out of me to calm my mind down. Once I had calmed down I enjoyed the rest of the trip.

Now let me explain about a trip that was also 60 micrograms from the same batch of LSD where everything was perfect. I made sure to dose AFTER my roommate went to sleep for the night. Even though lsd is a stimulant, I felt extremely relaxed mentally and emotionally. It was actually one of my most favorite trips. I don't really need to give any details about this trip but my mind was at complete ease.

This is why set and setting is so important. It literally makes or breaks your trip. The difference with set and setting is having a nightmare of a trip versus having one of the most beautiful trips ever.


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