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OfflineerlichBachmann
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ID request [SF South Bay]
    #27045748 - 11/18/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, so I've been looking for about 7 years and never found anything. Wanted an ID on these.

Location: south bay (SF area)
Habitat: Under pine tree, irrigated, wood chips, recent rain (first of season)
Date: November 18 2020



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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: erlichBachmann]
    #27045805 - 11/18/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

These Look To Be A Psilocybe Sp, Where Were These Found? Im Not Sure What SF Stands For


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: MpSeph]
    #27045813 - 11/18/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If SF Stands For San Francisco (Sorry, I Live In The South) Then I'd Say Psilocybe Cyanescens, However They Could Possibly Be Ovoids, Wait For More Opinions, Nice Finds :cheers:


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: MpSeph]
    #27045867 - 11/18/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

P alleni.  But some of those that are growing in your pictures look weird or not like p. alleni.  You would need to pick them all, spore print, and then have us ID them.

But it looks like you've definitely found a patch with p. alleni in them!  And all the ones you picked are alleni.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27045869 - 11/18/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Either P. allenii or P. ovoideocystidiata


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: MpSeph]
    #27045876 - 11/18/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes by SF I meant San Francisco Bay Area. Just north of San Jose.

Awesome! You have no idea how long I've looked for actives, and had completely given up because every time I thought I might have something it wasn't it.

I am concerned about possible random species mixed in, the mushrooms were spread over about an entire square meter, so not exactly a tight formation. I will do spore prints and upload more photos once done.

Thanks!


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: erlichBachmann]
    #27045881 - 11/18/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Those tight formations are classic for ovoids and alleni, so that's a good sign.  Just like I said, there could be some other non alleni in there, but just pick them all properly and spore print and take pictures and we will ID.

I know the feeling, it's such magic!


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: erlichBachmann]
    #27045888 - 11/18/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

allenii should blue super noticeably, if they are fresh you can lightly pinch part of the cap margin it should blue in a few mins.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: erlichBachmann]
    #27045945 - 11/18/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

erlichBachmann said:
Hey, so I've been looking for about 7 years and never found anything. Wanted an ID on these.

Location: south bay (SF area)
Habitat: Under pine tree, irrigated, wood chips, recent rain (first of season)
Date: November 18 2020





Don't see any pine needles in the images. Given your location, you're probably under coast redwoods.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: sonoramo]
    #27046046 - 11/18/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've hunted allenii in SF for years, those look odd. Might be ovoids, but in any case, the gills are a strange color for psilocybe. Sometimes they don't produce spores, which would explain the lighter gills. I'd definitely print those to get a positive ID before even thinking about eating them.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: gKid_A]
    #27046269 - 11/18/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I've hunted allenii in SF for years, those look odd. Might be ovoids, but in any case, the gills are a strange color for psilocybe. Sometimes they don't produce spores, which would explain the lighter gills. I'd definitely print those to get a positive ID before even thinking about eating them.




Like I was saying some are def alleni and some seem questionable or ovoids.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27047241 - 11/19/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Updating with some spore prints, along with microscope pictures. I'm pretty sure this is right, but please let me know if you see any evidence of different or dangerous species in there.

Some of the mushrooms left virtually no print or very light.







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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: erlichBachmann]
    #27047290 - 11/19/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with P. ovoideocystidiata or P. allenii.  They differ quite a bit microscopically.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: erlichBachmann]
    #27051847 - 11/22/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Spore color checks out for allenii & other psilocybe species mentioned here. Bruising on the stems is encouraging too...


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: gKid_A]
    #27051908 - 11/22/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Alan, isn't there a difference in smell between ovoids and allenii?


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: Doc9151]
    #27052005 - 11/22/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

^ That's a good point doc. I haven't smelled ovoids in a while, but I'm pretty sure they are different.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: breeg89]
    #27057202 - 11/25/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That's what I was thinking, pretty sure there's a difference.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: Doc9151]
    #27057636 - 11/25/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

ovoids smell pretty similar to cubes from what I remember. ovoids are also more closely related to cubes than to other woodlovers, which is pretty cool.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: breeg89]
    #27057654 - 11/25/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've never seen ovoids in real life, but soaked in here a fair amount of visual info about them. I'm (and again, haven't seen one ovoid in my life) leaning towards ovoids. Alleni - most of the time - has whiter stems, smoother caps that are also rounder (if that makes any sense) and the bluing is much more vivid. :shrug:


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: ZenZone]
    #27060281 - 11/27/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ovoid and cubensis smell very similar to my understanding, but it seems like I remember that allenii & cyanescens do not have that farinaceous smell of cubensis.


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: Doc9151]
    #27101096 - 12/21/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ovoids fruit "as late as November" per https://www.shroomery.org/12508/Psilocybe-ovoideocystidiata

For one more data point, over the next month nothing fruited in the area, in spite of a bit of rain. So at least that is consistent with the description for ovoid. I did make a small amount of tea with some and it definitely is a Psilocybe, if there was any doubt.

[somewhat of a transition here to question number 1]
I did find a spot several meters away across a sidewalk that has still been blooming. One thing is they all tend to have a thin black ring when they were dry or harvested late, and were less likely to grow in clusters:



Any concerns there? Most of the ones I harvested that gave a spore print had the nice purple/black. Some however gave no spore print.

[question number 2]

Maybe 15 meters away from the original patch I found some of these pictured below, which were 2.5" in diameter, and were clearly non-psilocybe. They grew in the same woodchips though, and so I am interested in identity. My concern was if I accidentally harvested a junior one of these, how concerned should I be (i.e. toxic or just non-psychelic).



Thanks all for the info


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Re: ID request [SF South Bay] [Re: erlichBachmann]
    #27101175 - 12/21/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The last ones look like one of the fluorescent Pholiota.    Not toxic.


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