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When did you finally "get" it?
    #27045515 - 11/18/20 03:01 PM (8 days, 9 hours ago)

For me, it all started with Uncle Ben's TEK, which failed horribly. From there I joined The Shroomery and started to find out how to really get this done. I thought that would simply be injecting the spores I already had into something more sterile than the UB bags, but quickly realized that agar was the way to go. So I've got everything going for that, but just now reading through Bod's Agar TEK, I realized that it's not as easy as getting the myc to grow on the agar, but I'd need to do a few transfers first (that's if I'm reading it correctly).

So, for those who have been doing this for some time, when did you finally get your shit together enough to have a streamlined set up going? I am so confused on how long it's actually going to take to get to a harvest at this point.

I ain't giving up, and this stuff is actually really fun and challenging. I was just realizing I don't know shit and the more I read the more that becomes apparent.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho] * 1
    #27045547 - 11/18/20 03:33 PM (8 days, 9 hours ago)

I took it in steps. I did simple brf cakes with syringes for months. Got down printing for my own syringes, cakes to bulk, and surface conditions in that time. Then I went into agar and grains while still making cakes so i had something working while i learned the next tek. I still do a bit of both if i just wanna run some varieties for prints while i run my favorite projects and clones through plates and grains.

I don't see any problem keeping it simple and cheap with cakes while you develop agar skills and get the pc & stuff required for grains.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho] * 1
    #27045572 - 11/18/20 03:44 PM (8 days, 8 hours ago)

I bought Oss and Oeric's book in the early 1980's. I think. I'm not really sure. I still have some of the glass petri dishes, the alcohol lamp and the original lab-grade agar-powder jar from back then. But I've refilled the powder many times!

Just a few months ago, getting LC to work really boosted my success rate. With mushroom-enhanced neuroplasticity, old dogs can learn new tricks.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27045639 - 11/18/20 04:19 PM (8 days, 8 hours ago)

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I don't see any problem keeping it simple and cheap with cakes while you develop agar skills and get the pc & stuff required for grains.




This is probably a good idea. I think having some quick results would keep me more interested. I'm starting to get obsessed with chemistry lately, and if I'm not careful mycology may fall by the wayside, which I don't want to happen.

I did buy a small PC, not knowing that the size would effect me. I can fit a single grain jar in it, so it's still useful. What I grow will be for personal use, so I'm not too concerned with yield.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: sonoramo]
    #27045642 - 11/18/20 04:22 PM (8 days, 8 hours ago)

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I bought Oss and Oeric's book in the early 1980's. I think. I'm not really sure. I still have some of the glass petri dishes, the alcohol lamp and the original lab-grade agar-powder jar from back then. But I've refilled the powder many times!

Just a few months ago, getting LC to work really boosted my success rate. With mushroom-enhanced neuroplasticity, old dogs can learn new tricks.




Would you recommend those books, or are they outdated?

I'd love to see a picture of that jar you're talking about. Lab equipment has been a topic of interest for me recently. As I mentioned above, chemistry is quickly becoming another obsession of mine.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho]
    #27045714 - 11/18/20 05:05 PM (8 days, 7 hours ago)

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I don't see any problem keeping it simple and cheap with cakes while you develop agar skills and get the pc & stuff required for grains.




This is probably a good idea. I think having some quick results would keep me more interested. I'm starting to get obsessed with chemistry lately, and if I'm not careful mycology may fall by the wayside, which I don't want to happen.

I did buy a small PC, not knowing that the size would effect me. I can fit a single grain jar in it, so it's still useful. What I grow will be for personal use, so I'm not too concerned with yield.




If your goal is just to have a simple little project to give you an ounce now and again, i wouldn't beat yourself up about having to go grains and agar. Don't get me wrong they're great methods and very efficient, but people have been doing pf grows for a long time. I think it's more about what works for you.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho]
    #27045970 - 11/18/20 07:19 PM (8 days, 5 hours ago)

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I bought Oss and Oeric's book in the early 1980's. I think. I'm not really sure. I still have some of the glass petri dishes, the alcohol lamp and the original lab-grade agar-powder jar from back then. But I've refilled the powder many times!

Just a few months ago, getting LC to work really boosted my success rate. With mushroom-enhanced neuroplasticity, old dogs can learn new tricks.




Would you recommend those books, or are they outdated?

I'd love to see a picture of that jar you're talking about. Lab equipment has been a topic of interest for me recently. As I mentioned above, chemistry is quickly becoming another obsession of mine.




Oss and Oeric is way outdated. But it was the first book I found that explicitly wrote up how to grow.

The LC training camp thread has a lot of LC pictures and tales, including some of mine.

Edit: I guess you meant you want to see the old agar jar :facepalm3:



I got it from chem stores on campus. On one side, it sternly warns "NOT FOR DRUG USE." Back then, nobody had heard of growing mushrooms. Most of the "magic mushrooms" being sold on campus were agaricus laced with LSD. So there's absolutely no way that label meant "not for growing psilocybe mushrooms" but that makes it all the funnier!


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: sonoramo]
    #27046004 - 11/18/20 07:44 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

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On one side, it sternly warns "NOT FOR DRUG USE." Back then, nobody had heard of growing mushrooms. Most of the "magic mushrooms" being sold on campus were agaricus laced with LSD.




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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #27046010 - 11/18/20 07:46 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

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If your goal is just to have a simple little project to give you an ounce now and again, i wouldn't beat yourself up about having to go grains and agar. Don't get me wrong they're great methods and very efficient, but people have been doing pf grows for a long time. I think it's more about what works for you.




Yes, but also the fun of doing it. I would like to have some sooner rather than later, though, so I'll probably do some PF or BRF cakes as well. It definitely started out as a desire to have some mushrooms to eat, but it quickly became a hobby.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: sonoramo]
    #27046026 - 11/18/20 07:56 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

hey man, I feel like you and I are in very similar situations. I haven't tried any grain or substrate yet, because I am fairly certain if I jus dove straight in, I would fail. I'm currently right in the middle of trying to get down agar. if you got some free time, I think reading thru my thread a little could help ya out. obviously not from my comments lol, but the cool-as-shit folks that respond to my ultra-noob questions in there. the thread is essentially me fumbling and bumbling around like a fuckin idiot, and these guys continuing to drop helpful hints and trying to steer me right.

the past few weeks, I've been attempting different ways to go syringe --> agar plates. it's been pretty messy so far. had I known ahead of time, and if you have the chance right now, it's really becoming apparent that print --> agar might be better suited for the beginner, and I'd have went that way.  my prints showed up in the mail today, so gonna give it a go.

sorry I don't have any real, quality advice for ya, but like I said - the guys helping me out currently here are amazing. this community is pretty amazing, tbh, at least so far as I can tell. I've honestly never really experienced anything quite like it; there's so little ego here, and just an absolute colossal amount of knowledge.
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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: black strat]
    #27046042 - 11/18/20 08:06 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

Read, read, read, read, read, read, & read.

Lots of users post detailed accounts with the good, the bad, and the ugly included. Try to find some posts in the search engine with keywords like 'journal', 'log', or searching a particular style you are interested in like 'monotubs', 'shoeboxes', etc.

I have found these to be the most helpful because they tend to show the entire process from start to finish.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho]
    #27046048 - 11/18/20 08:10 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

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On one side, it sternly warns "NOT FOR DRUG USE." Back then, nobody had heard of growing mushrooms. Most of the "magic mushrooms" being sold on campus were agaricus laced with LSD.




Is there another use for agar that involves drugs?




Making windowpane? :acidcat:


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: black strat]
    #27046049 - 11/18/20 08:12 PM (8 days, 4 hours ago)

You might have a good time going from colonized grain or brf to agar then back to grain after an optional transfer.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: black strat]
    #27046114 - 11/18/20 08:46 PM (8 days, 3 hours ago)

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... the past few weeks, I've been attempting different ways to go syringe --> agar plates. it's been pretty messy so far. had I known ahead of time, and if you have the chance right now, it's really becoming apparent that print --> agar might be better suited for the beginner, and I'd have went that way. 




I totally agree that print-to-agar is the best way to germinate spores. Most of the time, a germination plate is contaminated. The "good" ones have a strong growth that you can sample from. Then, a few transfers to isolate a strain. I've been using biopsy with a blunt needle to do the transfers and then eventually to start an LC. Better yet, start several LC's to get more chances at success. Always make a test agar plate from LC before committing to grain or PF. It's so much more work to prepare grain and it can take so long to see the contamination, it is well worth it to test on agar first, where you can more readily see contaminants.

If you have a nearby friend "in the business," getting a clean LC would be a really good way to jump start.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho] * 1
    #27049164 - 11/20/20 05:40 PM (6 days, 6 hours ago)

I got curious when I got covid, Bought a kit before I found this wonderful place. Failed. Tried the Uncle Bens Tek and having some luck but really want to progress past that rudimentary start.

I have a friend who does canning so I will be getting some jars and a pressure cooker this weekend.

I would love to add a flow hood but we shall see.

The more I read the more I want to learn.

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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: black strat]
    #27050460 - 11/21/20 03:25 PM (5 days, 9 hours ago)

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hey man, I feel like you and I are in very similar situations.




Gonna go check out that thread now. I'm curious how your print to agar went, so I'd love to hear about it when you get a chance. Just poured my agar plates last night, and going to nocc with a syringe tonight. I don't have any prints, but i may order some.

I already have some Pasty Plates going, but I think I fucked those up. I may have fucked up these new ones as well, there is a bunch of moisture in all of them. I moved them straight to the fridge like an idiot after I poured them. Gonna make a post and see if I can save them somehow.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: GrinchGrower]
    #27050465 - 11/21/20 03:29 PM (5 days, 9 hours ago)

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Read, read, read, read, read, read, & read.




I have read quite a bit, but I seem to be one of those people who the information doesn't quite sink in until I try it out myself. I have a decent idea of what to do, it's more the actual doing of it that I'm quite shaky on. (sometimes literally shaky. lol)


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: sonoramo]
    #27050470 - 11/21/20 03:30 PM (5 days, 9 hours ago)

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On one side, it sternly warns "NOT FOR DRUG USE." Back then, nobody had heard of growing mushrooms. Most of the "magic mushrooms" being sold on campus were agaricus laced with LSD.




Is there another use for agar that involves drugs?




Making windowpane? :acidcat:




Well that's good to know, and it makes sense. It's been years since I had any LSD, and I never got windowpane. Just blotter paper and sugar cubes.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27050471 - 11/21/20 03:31 PM (5 days, 9 hours ago)

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You might have a good time going from colonized grain or brf to agar then back to grain after an optional transfer.




That is my plan, but I gotta get the agar to colonize first, then the grain.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: sonoramo]
    #27050473 - 11/21/20 03:33 PM (5 days, 9 hours ago)

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If you have a nearby friend "in the business," getting a clean LC would be a really good way to jump start.




I have been trying to find LC's on some of the sites from the vendors list, but all I can find is gourmet LC's. I may just be missing something, though. Is there a specific vendor you know of who sells Cube LC's?


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho]
    #27050511 - 11/21/20 04:05 PM (5 days, 8 hours ago)

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If you have a nearby friend "in the business," getting a clean LC would be a really good way to jump start.




I have been trying to find LC's on some of the sites from the vendors list, but all I can find is gourmet LC's. I may just be missing something, though. Is there a specific vendor you know of who sells Cube LC's?



In the states it's illegal to ship lc of actives, you won't find a vendor that does this. The law prohibits psilocybin, and mycelium does contain psilocybin making it illegal while the spores aren't.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27050539 - 11/21/20 04:27 PM (5 days, 8 hours ago)

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If you have a nearby friend "in the business," getting a clean LC would be a really good way to jump start.




I have been trying to find LC's on some of the sites from the vendors list, but all I can find is gourmet LC's. I may just be missing something, though. Is there a specific vendor you know of who sells Cube LC's?



In the states it's illegal to ship lc of actives, you won't find a vendor that does this. The law prohibits psilocybin, and mycelium does contain psilocybin making it illegal while the spores aren't.





That makes sense. Thank you.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho] * 1
    #27050620 - 11/21/20 05:39 PM (5 days, 6 hours ago)

I started out by doing my best to “get it” before I started at all. I joined the shroomery and lurked for a very long time. I read and read the TEKs and them read them some more. I kept a journal and made notes on the techniques I wanted to try. I invested a lot of time reading and researching and taking notes before I decided which strains I wanted to grow.  When I decided to go for it I invested a bit of money and bought all the right gear and equipment I tried several different techniques and realized what worked for me, and what didn’t work for me.

I was pretty successful, I grew enough for an approximately 2 year stash for myself, my girlfriend and all of our friends. Enough so that I’ve been able to give away about 90% of what I grew to people I know and love. I’ve given away so much to people that need it, people who microdose to combat migraines or depression, and I’ve given away so much to people who just wanna trip lol.

It’s about time to grow again. I figure I’m on a schedule to probably do a grow every couple years now.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: LifesaJourney]
    #27050639 - 11/21/20 05:51 PM (5 days, 6 hours ago)

For me consistant good results became reality when I build a flowhood.
Ran in to a guy that had a company designing industrial cleanrooms, and was able to buy 2 HEPA filters that he mistakenly orderd for a fraction of the retail price (got very lucky).
Whole flowhood set me back less than 80 euros, but was a complete game changer.
All the frustration of SAB work and prepoured agar was over! Such a relief, especially for people with sub par fine motor skills, like yours truely.
Doing open pours, easy isolation, G2G, A2G, LC and cloning made everything so much less frustrating and so much more fun. Made me start cloning wild edibles and psychedelics aswell, which now slowly leads to a library of slants in my fridge :laugh:. Also started with isolating wild yeast strains I find around the house. It really added a whole new level to the hobby. If you have a small amount of space to spare and time to set it up, I do definitly recomend it!

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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: Wrightii]
    #27050645 - 11/21/20 05:55 PM (5 days, 6 hours ago)

Appart from the flowhood the best step I took was going agar.
Not only did it reduce my contam rate, it also provided me much more insight in the lifecycle and genetics of mushrooms. Good step to make before going to grains I would say.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: Wrightii]
    #27051347 - 11/22/20 01:54 AM (4 days, 22 hours ago)

I've heard that you should keep mycology slants n stuff in a separate myco only fridge


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: MycoTricho]
    #27051442 - 11/22/20 03:57 AM (4 days, 20 hours ago)

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hey man, I feel like you and I are in very similar situations.




Gonna go check out that thread now. I'm curious how your print to agar went, so I'd love to hear about it when you get a chance. Just poured my agar plates last night, and going to nocc with a syringe tonight. I don't have any prints, but i may order some.

I already have some Pasty Plates going, but I think I fucked those up. I may have fucked up these new ones as well, there is a bunch of moisture in all of them. I moved them straight to the fridge like an idiot after I poured them. Gonna make a post and see if I can save them somehow.




LOL, wow, the similarities continue.. I too sent my plates to the fridge not long after pouring them. being my first session of agar, I was really worried about fucking them up, didn't know exactly how long they'd last in room temp, so kinda panicked a little and thought I was playing it safe. came to find out real quick - it does NOT take long to go thru a whole round of agar and plates. second round of agar and pouring went much, much smoother. I wanna say I'm probably done with ketchup cups for now tho. my pasty plates came in the mail today, and I also found some Ball ~4oz little jam-jars that are absolutely perfect for agar, or so I think.

today I tossed ALL of those plates you see in my thread. total bust. must've been close to 25 or more moldy, bullshit cups. now that it's been a few days since I wrote you that first comment, I would even alter my original sentiment a little bit towards more of a.. - "check out my thread, to see exactly what not to do", or realistically, I just hope your next week isn't similar to what my last week was hahah, if that makes sense.

and yes, if all ya got is spore syringes, go LIGHT on them puppies.. the more solution that ends up on your plate, the higher a chance of it turning into a snot blob.  although, it's been pretty much confirmed that my syringes I bought are jus fucking filthy inside. not holding it against them - that's jus what it is. after talking to a TC from this site, he advised me to just spend the rest of the syringes on BRF cake attempts, and trying to have that play out. that's what I'm gonna do.

so now I'm just left with 4 active agar plates after throwing the rest of them out from the past week. all 4 have been inoc'd for roughly 4 days so far, from 4 different prints, with zero signs of either myc growing, OR bacteria/mold growing.... I'm taking that as a tentative win so far..

sorry for such a long winded post!!  best of luck on your syringes my brother, I hope they give us something to look at soon.. and keep us updated on all developments!! cheers man.


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Re: When did you finally "get" it? [Re: black strat]
    #27051444 - 11/22/20 03:59 AM (4 days, 20 hours ago)

I don't think you are supposed to name drop vendors good or bad.


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