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How Secure Are Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020?
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How Secure Are Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? Has anything changed in the past five years?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
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I think its pretty solid, lots of shady people running exit nodes, but what can you do, when I signed up for shroomery I tried to use TOR but it wouldnt let me, I think thats retarded for a drug website, I havnt used it since and that was years ago, I do think that more people should be using it as their normal browser to obscure traffic and normalize it so people using it dont look suspicious
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Tor is not secure. what the FBI does is launch DDOS attacks on TOR nodes, then opens all it's own TOR nodes which most traffic gets routed through and they log it all. Don't use TOR without a good VPN, even then there is tools around it. Use PGP, cause as its name implies it's pretty good protection with end to end encryption locked by keys.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ice9]
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Years ago vpns weren’t recommended with Tor. What changed?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: gopher]
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gopher said: I think its pretty solid, lots of shady people running exit nodes, but what can you do, when I signed up for shroomery I tried to use TOR but it wouldnt let me, I think thats retarded for a drug website,
Blame fat fuck bassfreak for ruining it for everyone
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: viraldrome] 1
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Blame fat fuck bassfreak for ruining it for everyone
Can you tell us that story?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS] 1
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Tor is fine, that's not how people get busted on DNM. Generally the police have to take the whole server in order to bust people, which should tell you how secure it is. Plus, with good end to end encryption between buyers and sellers, that's an added layer of security on top of tor. The risk is mainly for sellers, although some risk exists for buyers as well generally.
I'd say that it's at least as safe or safer than buying drugs in person. Especially if you take into account the fact that you're not going to get shot/robbed/etc.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said: I'd say that it's at least as safe or safer than buying drugs in person. Especially if you take into account the fact that you're not going to get shot/robbed/etc.
A considerably large number of customers on DNMs have had their money taken. This has occurred as a result of three categories of people: 1. Vendors who kept their money and never shipped the purchased product. 2. A market that closed and took all the Bitcoins of their customers that were not yet spent. 3. Employees of a government coordinating to shut down a market, while literally stealing all Bitcoins and digital currencies of that market.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
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People literally fighting over mario coins lol just get some pot seeds and grow it yourself
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
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Study The CNS said:
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nooneman said: I'd say that it's at least as safe or safer than buying drugs in person. Especially if you take into account the fact that you're not going to get shot/robbed/etc.
A considerably large number of customers on DNMs have had their money taken. This has occurred as a result of three categories of people: 1. Vendors who kept their money and never shipped the purchased product. 2. A market that closed and took all the Bitcoins of their customers that were not yet spent. 3. Employees of a government coordinating to shut down a market, while literally stealing all Bitcoins and digital currencies of that market.
It's still as safe or safer than doing it in person.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: nooneman]
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Losing your money or getting ripped off is part of the risk when buying drugs. I'd rather that happen from 100s or even 1000's of kilometres away from where I am and violence is not involved.
Tor project is constantly updating and securing the browser. It's more and more secure in terms of traffic all the time. You have to be a pretty big fish for them to start peeling away layers of onion to go for you.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: christopera]
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christopera said: Years ago vpns weren’t recommended with Tor. What changed?
Nothing. The TOR project still advises against using a VPN while connecting to the network.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#27046011 - 11/18/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Irs all the same bro. It's safe for the user as long as your manually encrypting your orders. Certain dark websites will have glitches that hackers can be exploit, but for the most part it's safe. Worry more About getting scammed
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ogla]
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The docks by my house have free wifi, but they blocked youtube, guess they dont want people watching videos, I tried YT through TOR and it worked, but kinda a asshole thing to do, the town didnt want ppl using YT and TOR dosnt want people streaming shit
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: gopher]
#27046040 - 11/18/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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gopher said: I think its pretty solid, lots of shady people running exit nodes, but what can you do, when I signed up for shroomery I tried to use TOR but it wouldnt let me, I think thats retarded for a drug website, I havnt used it since and that was years ago, I do think that more people should be using it as their normal browser to obscure traffic and normalize it so people using it dont look suspicious
Because of people like special ed who was using it to spam the board after getting banned
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ogla]
#27046801 - 11/19/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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losfreddy said: Worry more About getting scammed
What markets are currently legit and which ones are blatantly shady as of Nov2020?
What online guides to buying are trustworthy and reliable?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27047215 - 11/19/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Generally look for reviews online. They'll be a website somewhere where people discuss their experiences with the website. Inside the website, look for ratings of the vendor. You can see how many successful transactions theyve had and comments from other buyers and you should be able to judge for yourself wether you want to buy or not. Some websites are legit awhile then exit scam. That's why I prefer the sites that have no internal wallet. Sites go up an down all the time. Just gotta Google for them bro
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
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Study The CNS said:
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losfreddy said: Worry more About getting scammed
What markets are currently legit and which ones are blatantly shady as of Nov2020?
What online guides to buying are trustworthy and reliable?
We cannot answer this because sourcing is against site rules.
Vpn, tor, pgp encyrpt manually (as opposed to using onsite encryption), tumble/blend coin on the way to mrkt, only move as much as you plan to spend immediately to market to avoid exit scams taking coin or use a wallet-less market. Monero is a crypto that is more secure and is being prefferred on at least one market
There are markets for just soft (thc & shrooms) that seem to stay up more reliably.
Things are actually moving to automated systems direct to vendors, vice news covers developments in this area.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27048780 - 11/20/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Install tails on a usb thing
I used coinbase to buy BTC, transfer BTC to electrum wallet on tails, use morphscript to make that BTC monero, it’ll ask what wallet to sent to... make a monero GUI wallet on tails, and out that wallets address in.
Now you’ll have more secure monero compared to BTC, and I used WHM. Idk about now but most markets we’re bogus imo compared to WHM.
I was really intimidated about taking extra steps to be secure, but now it seems easy. You can get scammed so make sure you do your research, WHM was legit tho. Didn’t release payment to vendor right away.
Dark.Fail is a main hub to learn this stuff.
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I wanted to reiterate about encrypting manually. The old hansa had a check box for the server to automatically encrypt a message using your pgp key. Well, the DEA raided the server and ran the website for a month. They changed the source code so they could capture messages to anyone who used to the automatic encryption option. Not much came of this I think, but regardless. Copy paste your encrypted messages
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ogla]
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Yeah those check boxes are dodgy. Bad mojo putting your security in someone else's hands.
They appear on most markets, right next to a warning that you shouldn't use it. It's only for dummies who can't figure out how to use a PGP client.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Northerner]
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I remember when I first started I thought pgp was difficult but then I actually tried to do it and it’s so easy. Tails PGP is super easy at least.
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Are there additional opinions / contradictions ?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
#27052834 - 11/22/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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protonvpn maintains numerous TOR/VPN servers around the world
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
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Are you talking to me? Are you asking what’s better about tails over other PGP programs?
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I was just asking everyone for their opinions on both Tor and the Darknet. You're welcome to add info / chime in.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
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Does anyone have any pros/cons regarding Zelle Pay and/or Paxful?
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#27055129 - 11/24/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not at all.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Study The CNS]
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Study The CNS said: Does anyone have any pros/cons regarding Zelle Pay and/or Paxful?
Paypal recently got into the btc game. I use cashapp but only because paypal wasnt an option when I signed up.
From there to green wallet > blender/tumble > dnm
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27055172 - 11/24/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Related question: what do people think of p.o. boxes vs. mailbox solutions like the ups store?
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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I was using a private mail box service. This was mostly because i was traveling, but nonetheless was a sweet deal. I paid $45 for 3 months. I used two forms of photo ID. This was preferable to a PO box for several reasons. It was cheaper (po box is like $60 a month), you could open with less credentials (po box needs line of credit or morgage and proof of local residence), and it was a pyhsical address. This was very nice being able to receive mail while being away from home and not using a work address. Different mail box services have different requirements for opening a mail box
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losfreddy said: I was using a private mail box service. This was mostly because i was traveling, but nonetheless was a sweet deal. I paid $45 for 3 months. I used two forms of photo ID. This was preferable to a PO box for several reasons. It was cheaper (po box is like $60 a month), you could open with less credentials (po box needs line of credit or morgage and proof of local residence), and it was a pyhsical address. This was very nice being able to receive mail while being away from home and not using a work address. Different mail box services have different requirements for opening a mail box
Wow, in my area a p.o. box at the post office is $64 per year and only requires a single piece of id.
I had read that some consider the ups or private mail boxes to be problematic because the staff are private citizens not constrained legally like postal employees, i.e. they can invasively inspect without cause and call the cops, whereas postal workers have to go through a process involving the postal inspector branch. But that could all be supisition
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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Yea if you're talking about receiving nefarious things many vendors won't even ship to a po box. Getting something sent domestically via usps is about as risk-free as you can get with this kind of stuff, most "safety" steps you take like getting a PO box, getting it mailed under a fake name, etc. actually can end up increasing the risk by making it blend in less.
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feevers said: Yea if you're talking about receiving nefarious things many vendors won't even ship to a po box. Getting something sent domestically via usps is about as risk-free as you can get with this kind of stuff, most "safety" steps you take like getting a PO box, getting it mailed under a fake name, etc. actually can end up increasing the risk by making it blend in less.
Many people have legit side businesses with either p.o. boxes or ups store mailboxes, I even know guy who has one with the sole purpose of hiding his expensive golf club purchases from the wife. Not a fake name but a business name, could be selling shit on etsy/ebay. Although the box owner knows your real name the market or vendor will not, it is 1 degree of separation but better than none.
I am asking if given the choice between a legit ups store or p.o. box address which would be better.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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losfreddy said: I was using a private mail box service. This was mostly because i was traveling, but nonetheless was a sweet deal. I paid $45 for 3 months. I used two forms of photo ID. This was preferable to a PO box for several reasons. It was cheaper (po box is like $60 a month), you could open with less credentials (po box needs line of credit or morgage and proof of local residence), and it was a pyhsical address. This was very nice being able to receive mail while being away from home and not using a work address. Different mail box services have different requirements for opening a mail box
Wow, in my area a p.o. box at the post office is $64 per year and only requires a single piece of id.
I had read that some consider the ups or private mail boxes to be problematic because the staff are private citizens not constrained legally like postal employees, i.e. they can invasively inspect without cause and call the cops, whereas postal workers have to go through a process involving the postal inspector branch. But that could all be supisition
They might have changed the policy, but at least about 3 years ago I was having trouble getting a PO Box because I didn't have morgauge/credit or any proof of local address (they needed two proofs besides an ID)., but the private mail box was much easier, I used two photo IDs both from out of state. I never had any problems with them. I did my fair share of eBay purchases as well as illicit purchases. I'm pretty sure the lady said something about respecting people mail and following the same kind of guidelines the usps uses.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ogla]
#27057010 - 11/25/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its my understanding that if you encrypt, use crypto, a VPN, PGP, and order via priority shipping, that you should be fine.
If you can successfully conceal the transaction then there's no probable cause to get a warrant, on opening up a priority Express package.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27057042 - 11/25/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’m just curious what benefits there are to using a separate box for these things. The only thing I can think of is that if a vendor gets busted and for some reason they kept a log of the names/addresses of their customers, it’d be your PO Box listed instead. Even in that case though, if it’s at the point where feds are already investigating they’d just pull your info from the PO Box anyway. I could also see a box being better if you live with people who you don’t want to possibly see the package, or if you were able to rent it under a different name.
I know you want to go the box route, but if you ever do just want to use your home address as long as you tip your mailman well for the holidays, use your real name, order only domestically, and never sign for anything or accept it directly from a carrier, you’re pretty much golden for small amounts. There are hundreds of millions of pieces of mail daily and any decent vendor will make it not stick out. Even if they find something typically you’ll just get a love letter the first couple times.
I’d be worried getting it shipped to a UPS box because I’m guessing they’d blacklist you for life from all of their services if somehow something did go wrong. They’re riskier to ship through because (supposedly from what I’ve heard) they don’t need a warrant to check the contents of your package, I doubt that could apply to their mailboxes since mail is so protected but it’s worth checking. Also just a thought but I’m not sure if you had a PO Box in a post office if there are any possible additional criminal charges for shipping/storing/possessing in a federal building.
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If they want to bust you, they will bust you. A PO box isn't going to do shit.
There's plenty of reason for the government, specifically the US government but likely others too, to control exit nodes. If for nothing more than letting markets accrue BTC and then attempting to seize that money. The Silk Road seizure netted Billions, more than enough to fund many exit nodes for a long time. Never mind any potential seizure they might produce by simply letting markets operate. Government agencies love it when they can self fund, because that gives them unfettered and unmonitored expenditure. Take a look at OSHA if you are interested in how self funding allows for federal agencies to operate.
In summary, they need the dark net market consumers if they are to catch the big fish. It was previously thought that the sellers themselves were in fact the big fish, but in reality, it comes down to attempting to catch the markets themselves before they exit scam. We may never know how far governments have infiltrated dark net markets, simply because they've chosen to operate semi-symbiotically as ultimately it's in their best interest.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: feevers]
#27057155 - 11/25/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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feevers said: I’m just curious what benefits there are to using a separate box for these things. The only thing I can think of is that if a vendor gets busted and for some reason they kept a log of the names/addresses of their customers, it’d be your PO Box listed instead. Even in that case though, if it’s at the point where feds are already investigating they’d just pull your info from the PO Box anyway. I could also see a box being better if you live with people who you don’t want to possibly see the package, or if you were able to rent it under a different name.
I know you want to go the box route, but if you ever do just want to use your home address as long as you tip your mailman well for the holidays, use your real name, order only domestically, and never sign for anything or accept it directly from a carrier, you’re pretty much golden for small amounts. There are hundreds of millions of pieces of mail daily and any decent vendor will make it not stick out. Even if they find something typically you’ll just get a love letter the first couple times.
I’d be worried getting it shipped to a UPS box because I’m guessing they’d blacklist you for life from all of their services if somehow something did go wrong. They’re riskier to ship through because (supposedly from what I’ve heard) they don’t need a warrant to check the contents of your package, I doubt that could apply to their mailboxes since mail is so protected but it’s worth checking. Also just a thought but I’m not sure if you had a PO Box in a post office if there are any possible additional criminal charges for shipping/storing/possessing in a federal building.
Primary benefit is preventing a house member from seeing the pack. Could be a nosey in law, teenager, or just a disaproving spouse. Secondary is removing chance of a market or vendor having it stored somewhere. Feds can get that info but they may chose not to simply because it is another step, govt is a lot less efficient and able to cross reference than most realize and presented with a list of real names and a couple business names they may focus on low hanging fruit. Finally there is always a possibility that a vendor decides to blackmail you or fraud you.
I did find info on ups on reddit and former employees state that they are told it is a felony and immediate termination to open packages.
I was asked by a friend if he thought using a business box would be safer which is what lead me to ask
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#27057367 - 11/25/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The difference between USPS and other package services, the USPS is mandated by law to request authorities get a warrant before they can look at shit (only exception to this is USPS internal inspection, but they are mostly looking at employees committing fraud). Other services tend to have friendly relationships with LEO and will let them inspect anything.
Source I worked for the P.O. for about 7 years while going through college.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ice9]
#27057374 - 11/25/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see you and I had similar college schedules.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ice9]
#27057475 - 11/25/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: The difference between USPS and other package services, the USPS is mandated by law to request authorities get a warrant before they can look at shit (only exception to this is USPS internal inspection, but they are mostly looking at employees committing fraud). Other services tend to have friendly relationships with LEO and will let them inspect anything.
I had one of those standard USPS cardboard boxes that are about the size of a VHS tape opened and a vacuum sealed bag inside it opened and the oz of shrooms inside it removed before it was all sealed back up and put in my mailbox a couple of years ago.
No idea how they knew to open it and empty the contents but they must've done it without reporting it and knowing that nothing would come of it. There were definitely shrooms in there at one point too; I could smell 'em!!
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Sugabearcrisp
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#27057693 - 11/25/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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This was the reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/darknet/comments/bw5cat/i_used_to_work_at_ups_tips_on_shipping/ from the ups worker i referenced that seems to indicate they don't have a freer hand to search.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: Ice9]
#27191238 - 02/07/21 09:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Tor is not secure. what the FBI does is launch DDOS attacks on TOR nodes, then opens all it's own TOR nodes which most traffic gets routed through and they log it all. Don't use TOR without a good VPN, even then there is tools around it. Use PGP, cause as its name implies it's pretty good protection with end to end encryption locked by keys.
That doesn't make it insecure. The whole point of Tor is anonymity. If people are running insecure nodes then the Tor devs can't really do fuck all about it. They also can't do anything if whoever's running a node decides to just turn their logs over to the law enforcement agencies every other Tuesday.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: chibiabos]
#27191284 - 02/07/21 09:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or if law enforcement simply owns the nodes, which seems likely. We know for a fact that they have seized nodes, there is exactly zero reason to believe that they don't operate them. Tor nodes generally aren't supposed to collect any logs, that's kind of the point, so even if you seize a node you shouldn't find anything. So unless people are collecting logs with their nodes there isn't much point in taking them, other than to eliminate a node.
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Re: How Secure Is Tor And The Darknet As Of 2020? [Re: christopera]
#27191337 - 02/07/21 10:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nodes aren't supposed to collect logs and people aren't supposed to mail order heroin.
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