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What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs?
#27044051 - 11/17/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys so I have a room with fresh air being pulled in from outside to help cool it and an exhaust on the other side. Inside I have 3 metal racks with a bunch of unmodified monotubs on it. I was running a fogger in there to keep it at 70% RH in the room but now I'm thinking that may not be a good idea and I should ,maybe just run the tubs with normal room humidity? To induce proper evaporation. Everything is pinning fine but the mushrooms are staying kinda small. Any thoughts?
I wish I could just call upon Bod to ask him for help with this specifically, as he is who got me on the unmodified tubs
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: Mushaman8]
#27044063 - 11/17/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I demand bodhi step forth from the shadows and resolve this issue immediately!
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#27044114 - 11/17/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude
Straight from HIS TEK. Verbatim.
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I fruit these just fine in 10-20% RH indoors so I suggest skipping the casing layer, but some people need have their ways. Do what works for you always.
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: IdiotCircusBoy]
#27044153 - 11/17/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know his tek says that his house is 20% humidity, but wouldn't more humidity in the fruiting room assist the mushrooms with not drying out as much while also providing more moisture for them to benefit from? Or would dialing in the fae be the key while lowering the overall humidity to something like he mentioned, 20% or so
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: Mushaman8]
#27044247 - 11/17/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry, didn't mean to come across as an asshole.
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: IdiotCircusBoy]
#27044259 - 11/17/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lower the humidity or suffer mold growth in the room. The monotub is generating its own humidity by creating heat and evaporating moisture from the substrate.
High humidity in the room will allow mold to germinate on surfaces. You don't want this.
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: starbones]
#27044275 - 11/17/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you! I'm gonna just turn the ultrasonic fogger off for now and finish these tubs up with lower room humidity.
The mold growth yeah :/ I had 2 tubs get mold before the first flush so that makes sense
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: Mushaman8]
#27044338 - 11/17/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mold before the first flush is a strong indicator of bad grains. Go back over your procedures when you get your conditions right and make sure the grain is clean. Trich hitchhikes very very well and can remain hidden growing on your myc, feeding off of it.
I've improved my grain spawn technique considerably lately by following procedures. Shower first, clean clothes, gloves, lots of alcohol, torch for the needle every single time, replacing needles before sucking back LC as not to cross contaminate. Practicing movements in front of the flowhood to make sure I don't put something dirty in the flow path to something I am working on.
RR says tubs need to exchange air something like four times an hour to inhibit mold. If the conditions are stagnant air with high humidity mold will flourish.
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27044485 - 11/17/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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At the end of the day you have to develop skill, make adjustments, and pay attention to your substrates. Little tinkering can make big difference.
Substrates have a lot of water in them. The average monotub has around 3 quarts or more of water in it. That doesn't evaporate in a couple weeks. We mist a little to maintain the moisture in the tub. Your room humidity is going to make some difference sure but it doesn't really matter. You shouldn't have to mist your tubs before the first flush if you get it right.
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IdiotCircusBoy said: Dude
Straight from HIS TEK. Verbatim.
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I fruit these just fine in 10-20% RH indoors so I suggest skipping the casing layer, but some people need have their ways. Do what works for you always.
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Pastywhyte said: I demand bodhi step forth from the shadows and resolve this issue immediately!

You're lucky pasty demanded
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: bodhisatta]
#27044548 - 11/17/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: At the end of the day you have to develop skill, make adjustments, and pay attention to your substrates. Little tinkering can make big difference.
Substrates have a lot of water in them. The average monotub has around 3 quarts or more of water in it. That doesn't evaporate in a couple weeks. We mist a little to maintain the moisture in the tub. Your room humidity is going to make some difference sure but it doesn't really matter. You shouldn't have to mist your tubs before the first flush if you get it right
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Pastywhyte said: I demand bodhi step forth from the shadows and resolve this issue immediately!

You're lucky pasty demanded
Well I had hoped you would hop on here and school me real quick. Thanks so much! To you and pastey also for the call out. I turned the humidifier down to 30%RH and it has already made a difference in the amount of pins forming as well as the mushrooms are now getting taller.
They were growing all short and stubby before with humidity at 75%, no matter how much fae I had going on. I also dialed the fae down a little bit by turning down my fresh air inlet and exhaust fans.
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: Mushaman8]
#27045293 - 11/18/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay... so now the corners of my tubs are drying out? :/ too much airflow? I got it dialed wayy down but maybe it needs more
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Re: What should my room RH be for a bunch of unmodified monotubs? [Re: Mushaman8]
#27045506 - 11/18/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It seems like you are thinking about a "grow room" to put totes in, like you would put pots with cannabis in.
The room is almost irrelevant. the tote is your grow room.
My house runs around 17-21 percent RH. I just crack my lids less than someone with 40% humidity might, because the drier the room, the more RH it will pull from the totes. But the tiniest change in the amount you crack the lid goes MILES. Less is more. This is discussed in the unbodified thread if I remember correctly. Anyway, point is that I have very low RH in my house like bod, and even this low, minor adjustments in fae solve the difference. Humidifying a room your putting totes in is epic level overkill.
you can make a "growroom" for fruiting mushrooms, and the beginner level of this is referred to as "martha tek" or a "martha" tent. the reason a tent is so much more important than with say cannabis, is that the level of humidity you need, if just instigated in a random bedroom, will destroy the room and ultimately your house with extensive mold colonization. the effort needed to avoid this would be absurd.. whereas a tents interior can be more or less isolated and HEPA'd and because it is not sheetrock and wood, it can be aggressively cleaned with solvents.
i would still say to learn the totes first, but it sounds like what youre really looking for is a martha setup
Edited by BrotherDekatessera (11/18/20 01:00 PM)
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