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OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: Reagan's Secret War [Re: Enlil]
    #27043854 - 11/17/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You mean after the US put nuclear missiles in Turkey, a country that shared a border with the Soviet Union?  :flowstone:


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Re: Reagan's Secret War [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27043867 - 11/17/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Breaking international treaties is essential to Americans’ security.

Do I think being the unaccountable bully of the world reaps backlash? No that’s silly.


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Re: Reagan's Secret War [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27043870 - 11/17/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Whenever.  You seem to be under the impression that saying, "they started it" is somehow supposed to make America safer.


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Re: Reagan's Secret War [Re: Enlil]
    #27043899 - 11/17/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No, I'm not saying that the US escalating nuclear tensions made us any safer.  I'm actually saying the opposite.


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    #27043937 - 11/17/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The Soviets mirrored our actions in the Cold War, for the same reason. They’re safe now too.

Only difference being they entered into a no-win colonial war in Afghanistan.




































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Re: Reagan's Secret War [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27045229 - 11/18/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The next cold war will be with China. The economic dominance argument is obvious, but hardliners are also currently pushing the 'China is fermenting world communism' rhetoric. They only had to change a couple words from what they were saying 60-70 years ago. We wont be able to spend our way out of this one, and our days of being the world's only superpower are numbered.

A big issue will be how well Russia and China are getting along. They recently did a joint military exercises. Russia just leased a naval base in Sudan that will allow them easier access to deploy nuclear warships, assumably  submarines, far from their national borders. Between that and China's deep pockets to build their military, there will be plenty of stories to scare people here.

Any shooting wars will be proxy wars. The more things change, the more they stay the same, except China won't be the junior partner in the threat assessment this time.


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    #27076694 - 12/07/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have been watching a new documentary series called "The Reagans". I found the interviews with Ronald Reagan Jr. particularly interesting.

In reference to the Rekjavik summit of 1986, Ronald Jr thought that his father had missed an opportunity with nuclear disarmament there. Gorbachev seemed willing to make major concessions but Reagan Sr would not budge on SDI, which we now know was going nowhere. Ron Jr seemed to be under the impression that his father had bought into the myth with SDI, thought it was valuable strategic tech, and that it was very important not to concede anything on it.


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    #27076852 - 12/07/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cuba should’ve kept the nukes pointed at Miami, and maybe the resulting 50 year economic siege doesn’t happen.  Who cares what’s best for the world, Cuba has to protect Cubans.


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    #27076853 - 12/07/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I have been watching a new documentary series called "The Reagans". I found the interviews with Ronald Reagan Jr. particularly interesting.

In reference to the Rekjavik summit of 1986, Ronald Jr thought that his father had missed an opportunity with nuclear disarmament there. Gorbachev seemed willing to make major concessions but Reagan Sr would not budge on SDI, which we now know was going nowhere. Ron Jr seemed to be under the impression that his father had bought into the myth with SDI, thought it was valuable strategic tech, and that it was very important not to concede anything on it.




That’s because Reagan was a dipshit who believed everything anyone told him. He would take military action based on zodiac signs for Christ sake.


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    #27076870 - 12/07/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that is the picture painted by this series, that Reagan's skills were mainly in playing a role to the public, and that he was rather gullible and uninformed, with his wife calling a lot of the shots as guided by psychics. Down to getting psychic advice on mundane details like flight departure times, but the important stuff too.


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    #27076896 - 12/07/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There’s a comedy/history podcast called The Dollop and they have a great two part episode discussing the life and presidency of Ronald Reagan, guest starring Patton Oswalt.

It’s hilarious, captivating, and terrifying.



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Re: Reagan's Secret War [Re: psi]
    #27077845 - 12/07/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah that is the picture painted by this series, that Reagan's skills were mainly in playing a role to the public, and that he was rather gullible and uninformed, with his wife calling a lot of the shots as guided by psychics. Down to getting psychic advice on mundane details like flight departure times, but the important stuff too.




Damn, wonder what the documentaries are gonna say 40 years from now...


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Re: Reagan's Secret War [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27077896 - 12/07/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Cuba should’ve kept the nukes pointed at Miami, and maybe the resulting 50 year economic siege doesn’t happen.  Who cares what’s best for the world, Cuba has to protect Cubans.




Khrushchev did secure a pledge that we would not invade Cuba if the missiles were removed. The two sides never completed the final steps of formalizing this agreement, but in practical terms the agreement has held up.

Some historians think Kennedy won a game of chicken with the Cuban missile crisis. Others think that Khrushchev shrewdly out negotiated him, and only brought the missiles there so he could remove them for concessions.


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