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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#26579795 - 04/05/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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after eating god, the frequencies of the burp will be pretty low
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27033270 - 11/11/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i need to make sure to send the future the rgv picture dictionary!
the future may depend on this cipher!
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#27035268 - 11/12/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably just mushroom stamp some concrete before it hardens.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: teknix]
#27036449 - 11/13/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Repeat the facts, and slap the shit out of silly ideas.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: teknix]
#27037088 - 11/13/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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how will the future interpret the meaning of a mushroom stamp?
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#27042263 - 11/16/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well Buddhism has lasted thousands of years (although some varieties / sects, clearly miss the original intent), and it has most definitely not saved the world.
Interestingly in a much shorter time frame ( hundreds of years) language, has changed so much, we can barely understand it. . Think Shakespeare' plays and even earlier Beowulf - which seems very weird.
"Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum, þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon, hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon. Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,....
Ancient Egypt remain to a large degree still a mysterious culture, as do the construction methods, of much ancient stone work.
Perhaps HG Wells in The Time Machine, best conveys the impossibility of long term having any control over the future. Buddha and Euclid seem to have pushed the limits of what can be done. Of course they both actually had something worthwhile to communicate.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: laughingdog]
#27043742 - 11/17/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: books are a great idea, especially books in multiple languages, especially books that can withstand the ravages of time. the books should be full of truths, about what happened. the message is one of striving and imperfection.

The radioactive symbol for nuclear waste should be a sufficient marker, but really we should not be leaving nuclear waste for our descendants to deal with.
There's over a million tonnes of nuclear waste in existence now. Even though nuclear energy is being decommissioned as renewables are starting to gain traction the problem remains. This crap is going to be highly toxic for many many thousands of years.
Our civilization will be long gone and any symbol that has meaning to us will be arbitrary scribbling to a rising civilization in the distant future. Their symbol for danger could be a box with an X in it, or any other idea that was come up with at the time. Symbols after all aren't usually meaningful, just symbolic.
I read recently about some island off Sweden where they are burying spent nuclear fuel rods in special tunnels half a kilometre underground in billion year old granite. The stuff they are burying will be toxic to humans for 100,000 years. They struggled to come up with a way to warn future humans not to dig the stuff up. It turns out that a large percentage of people in the world today don't know what the radiation symbol means, that it's highly improbable that anyone will know its meaning after 5000 years. All sorts of other ideas were suggested too. Warning stones carved out of granite was one. But when they looked at the ancient tsunami markers in Japan that warned not to build below where the stone markers are there was once again whole villages below that point, which to little surprise got washed away. Even the idea of creating folklore as a long standing warning was suggested. But that would be like a big red button that says "DO NOT PUSH" on it. You know what is going to happen to that button.
After much ado they just decided to cover the thing over. Security through obscurity. The island is uninteresting and remote. There's no minerals of interest and no reason to dig further than a hole to light a fire in, let alone excavate tunnels going half a kilometre underground.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: Northerner]
#27043796 - 11/17/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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. You're giving a lot of thought to one possible future problem, out of hundreds. Humans obviously have continually demonstrated no real ability to plan anything with real foresight. So personally I fail to see why just because a problem seems bigger, the results of attempting to deal with it should be any different.
. Objectively we all already know, its all out of control. That humans compound the problem by building nuclear power plants on earthquake fault lines, starting wars, polluting entire oceans and creating or accelerating global warming can either be seen as a surreal tragedy, or just another aspect of the ordered chaos that collides entire galaxies 'randomly' over eons in the vastness of space.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#27044724 - 11/18/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Be careful with big media.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#27044728 - 11/18/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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keep a record of everything if possible. Besides your personal life
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: CableTV]
#27044764 - 11/18/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course the question presumes a good outcome as regards Global Warming, which quite possibly, is totally unwarranted.
And history tells us Global Warming was already warned against decades ago with increasing frequency, and yet again the question presumes people listen, to messages from the past.
Perhaps all we learn from this is that generally no one listens, or pays close attention, to anything they don't want to know, or hear, or see.
Considering this: Why indulge in exaggerating one's importance by composing messages to a supposed future?
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: laughingdog]
#27044779 - 11/18/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Or choosing not to compose messages... but hiding our shit so well that we'll never find it.
Global warming could catapult us into another ice age that would eliminate most of us. We could be climbing out of the ice a mere 10 or 20 thousand years later. Some of the waste we are creating now could poison those new seeds of life. I think that would be a far greater insult to our planet than simply speeding up the current cycle as we are now.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#27044910 - 11/18/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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photography is good - lots of photography - the medium is the message.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27045211 - 11/18/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines and I are communitated messages to future humans
some of our ideas are messages for future humans
for the future
you must arrive at a place where your ideas are general outlines for the garden and living life
steering
things that assist you in steering
and that mean something to it
milestones
idea milestones
indicators
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: Ferdinando]
#27045221 - 11/18/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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when you come up with something useful sometimes you have to share it for the future so it is kept like buddhism otherwise what some ideas are important to preserve it was like that and it is like that you dont have to be special to come up with that some ideas are just so good that the have to be preserved lots of us write the internet in a way that if that idea was not there it wouldn't be preserved
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: Ferdinando]
#27045958 - 11/18/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferdinando said: ... have to be preserved...
Hi Ferdinando,
IMO:
nothing either has to be preserved
or can be preserved forever
Of course we all like to believe the world has far more stability than it does, as it feels comforting, but that doesn't make it so. I prefer needing a little less comfort, and if possible being a little more awake.
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Re: if you wanted to convey a message to future humans how would you do it? [Re: laughingdog]
#27046018 - 11/18/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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that make sense, more awake than what?
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