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Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn
    #27041224 - 11/15/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone.
New to growing and would like to try pann cyans. I've read that they like manure, and alot of people will mix vermiculite with manure and they will fruit off that.

I'll be doing this for the first time and am going buy some substrate jars that have a mixture of vermiculite and grain.  Once that's colonized, would I mix that with the manure and then would it just need to colonize again and it would be ready to fruit? Or is there more processes. Trying to get as much info as possible before purchasing these.  Still trying to gather all the terminology too. Thanks for the patients


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041226 - 11/15/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry, not mixed with grain, with brown flour rice*


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041324 - 11/15/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Pans are much more difficult to grow than cubes. Not recommended for a beginner. However, check out Macmerdins pancakes. I've had decent success with this tek and it's pretty noob friendly

Also, don't buy premade PF jars. Mixing brown rice flour, vermiculite, and water then steam sterilizing is damn near the easiest thing in this hobby so you should definitely learn how to do it on your own.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27041586 - 11/16/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Right, the only reason I was going to go with the premade jars was because it came with a grow kit, humidifier,  temp control,  ect. Are you saying its better to skip that and round up the supply's myself? I tried to figure the cost and it seemed more if I went out and got it myself. Thanks


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041594 - 11/16/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'd save yourself a month or two of frustration and start with an easier variety to get used to the process...

I'm doubting a kit is cheaper than getting the supplies yourself... what kit are you looking at?


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041605 - 11/16/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yowzer, how much are they going to charge you for that set up?


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: coversall]
    #27041669 - 11/16/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its 130. The only thing I wasnt sure where to get was a humidifier, adjustable heat mat. Air pump, 40 setting on off switch, temptachure gauge,  and then the substrate jars are the biggest things

Looking at it now,  it looks like it may be cheaper just to buy it separately just because it has alot of stuff I dont need


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041673 - 11/16/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'd be wary of pre-made kits, especially for something like a martha. My understanding of the martha is that it's giving you a high level control to setup a fruiting chamber _within the context of your environment_. So taking a step by step, modular, approach over time might be better, and could save you some cash.

As has been stated before, pan cyans require a bit more attention then cubes and could be a frustrating first species to grow. Is there any reason you don't want to start with cubes?

For a lot less money you could test out a bunch of different growing teks. Giving you a better understanding of growing where you are, not requiring too much investment, and producing enough mushrooms to have you chatting to your diety of choice.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: coversall]
    #27041682 - 11/16/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I just wanted to do something different. I'm not in any rush for results, just wanted to dappled in something I might enjoy


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041688 - 11/16/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That's cool, but pan aren't super different at the end of the day, less people grow them due to them being trickier. I'm not saying you won't be successful growing pans, but it could be a little bit like trying to run before you can walk.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: coversall]
    #27041760 - 11/16/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What would other species that would be easier to grow other then cubes? Or is that really the only? Idk why but I'm not shipped on the idea of growing cubes. Maybe I just should


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: coversall]
    #27041796 - 11/16/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What would other species that would be easier to grow other then cubes? Or is that really the only? Idk why but I'm not shipped on the idea of growing cubes. Maybe I 1ajust should


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041851 - 11/16/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cubes are by far the easiest, except for maybe sclerotia producers, but you need to get a PC and learn how to make grains properly, but growing sclerotia is very easy.

Like I mentioned before, look up Macmerdins pancakes. It will tell you everything you need to grow pans easily.

$130 for that kit?? What a waste of money. You don’t really need any of that stuff. I’ve never used a heating mat, humidifier, air pump, or any of that shit.

Buy some round and short PP5 containers, make BRF/verm/manure cakes, and fruit inside a SGFC. That’s all you need to do.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27041856 - 11/16/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have a plan on how your going to grow the pans? Were you going to get familiar with agar and so on?

If you were looking to setup a martha I'm guessing your fairly free to grow in your house so why not set up a cube grow and a pan grow. That way if the pans fall through you get some mushrooms as well as the joy of a successful grow. A couple of PF jars aren't going to take up much space. Plus having two projects on the go side by side provide more entertainment and reduce your chance of getting bored and feeding that boredom into loving your grows to death.

The lessons you learn from failing/succeeding to grow both species will feed nicely into your next project.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: coversall]
    #27041994 - 11/16/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Is the agar nessisary? I read it would colonized just fine, just being cautious of contams. Planned on using a manure-verm, petrile mixture I found on the shroomery and once colonized to cast in a pan.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27042004 - 11/16/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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$130 for that kit?? What a waste of money. You don’t really need any of that stuff. I’ve never used a heating mat, humidifier, air pump, or any of that shit.

Buy some round and short PP5 containers, make BRF/verm/manure cakes, and fruit inside a SGFC. That’s all you need to do.




How would you control air flow humidity and temperature if you dont have those? I thought it was crutial to have that. Atleast all that I've been reading


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27042052 - 11/16/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Is the agar nessisary? I read it would colonized just fine, just being cautious of contams. Planned on using a manure-verm, petrile mixture I found on the shroomery and once colonized to cast in a pan.



Not necessary.
Look up Angam. His English is terrible but his grows are an inspiration to me.
And take a look at the fc I'm experiencing right now. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22216410/fpart/928/vc/1#22216410
You can find my post on this page.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27042636 - 11/16/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So would it be better to make the cakes, or develop substrate loose and put it in a pan with a casting layer, then into a fruiting chamber with perlite?


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27043132 - 11/16/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't say better or worse. Doesn't matter how you do it as long as you give them the right conditions. I've done cakes and trays and had 100% success rate both ways.


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Re: Growing pann cyan. Substrate spawn [Re: For9758]
    #27043602 - 11/17/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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How would you control air flow humidity and temperature if you dont have those? I thought it was crutial to have that. Atleast all that I've been reading



The great thing about growing in tubs is that it regulates it's own humidity and air flow

If you were wanting to set something up like a martha, then yeah you will need an air pump and a humidifier, but you can definitely find that for way cheaper. But I've never built one of those so I'm not the person to ask.


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