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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Forrester] 1
#26999200 - 10/23/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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17 October 2020:Ok the jars with little water and less grain! Going to spawn, surprisingly... 2 shoeboxes, T3 & T5 jars, from 9/28, 3 weeks. 1 jar Aspen Chips, and 1 jar coir, each shoebox. And a topping layer of coir. 2 shoeboxes going to a tub. After reading Munch's Shoebox Method. Aspen chips are weightless, so 2.5L, 400g coir 2 L water 150F so far, another L on the stove in case, doesn't seem like numbers are gonna get an exact "field capacity", so it's add water as needed. Added .5L, now a little over field capacity. Or use this: EAT'S UNBUCKET T3K 1.0 β’Or coir and pasteurization don't go in the same sentence. you pasteurize poo substrates. no need to do that with coir. - Munch Next check coir temp with radar gun to at least 80F. And mix Baby! TedsDead said: Well, the thermal death temp for cubes is 104F...I usually wait until the coir is 85F. After that there's 4 more jars closely following...still PIOPPINO, it's finally cooling down to 80F here! Maybe get some surf Tuesday...here comes surf season! 23 October 2020:For 2 shoeboxes, T4.1 & T4.2 Pioppino 300g coir, hot water from tap ~160F, 2.5L chips. Oooops, 1.7L water a bit much! Heated cooler first. Broke coir in first L of water. Added chips and more water. So two jars are NOT recovering from a second shake so well, so didn't make the cut!
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Inthepit]
#27000218 - 10/23/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice! About the 2 that didn't make it, edibles have a remarkable ability to win against bacteria, so don't hesitate to try something with those ones if you haven't tossed 'em already. I would. Just keep separate.
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Forrester]
#27000229 - 10/23/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah Forrester there you are, I love this community! Ya still have the jars, I might just put some coir on top and see what the jar can do. I should post a picture. Mebbe give them another shake. It's all good. Kinda surprised they're behaving like that. But there's 4 shoeboxes going with with Great Expectations!
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Inthepit]
#27000780 - 10/24/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't wait to see what they do
I like the coir on top of grain idea, if the bacteria isn't too bad it might actually do really well. Don't think I've seen jar fruiting with this species but I bet it'd work.
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Forrester] 1
#27031533 - 11/10/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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11 November 2020:So here's the two jars that didn't respond to a second shake. Still kinda hanging in there. Relegated to coffee table status! Pioppino from 9/28 And two shoeboxes triched out really bad with a few gnats! It seems like the lid on the tub is warped or ill fitting. So I added weather stripping, the black stuff under the lid. SB1 spawned 10/17, SB3 10/23 Now hopefully the tub will start showing some moisture in it. This is the new 66 qrt tub with six 1.3" diameter holes. Covered by 2 layers of micropore tape. I wonder if the Aspen Chips need to be sterilized instead of pasteurized with the coir?
Edited by Inthepit (11/10/20 12:52 PM)
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Inthepit]
#27031590 - 11/10/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice write-up! I like how you are meticulously labeling everything. I always slack at that t.t I have 2 montubs of 2 different shiitake strains and I dunno which is which!
Nice pics too!
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: teknix]
#27031595 - 11/10/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ha ha, thanks, it gets very confusing. I think I spend more time documenting than growing.
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Inthepit]
#27031615 - 11/10/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well thanks for taking the time to do it, it is appreciated
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: teknix]
#27033213 - 11/11/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yo, nice grow log. you should really look into sawdust substrates for agrocybe. coir really doesn't do the trick. you could supplement the sawdust with some coir, I guess. also, If you can sterilize the substrates, you should. it'll give you a much bigger chance of fruits.
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Haywire]
#27034546 - 11/12/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks Haywire, I was hoping the Aspen wood chips would be on track.
It's easy to get at the Pet store, whereas I don't know where to get sawdust or if I did what variety it would be.
It's too warm here in Puerto Rico for wood pellet sales.
Yes I'm thinking even the Aspen chips should be PC'd.
Edited by Inthepit (11/12/20 05:09 AM)
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Inthepit]
#27034574 - 11/12/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get my sawdust from a local carpenter, he's happy to get rid of it. how big are the chips? if they're small, you could try with only that. I would ditch the coir, to be honest...
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Haywire]
#27034914 - 11/12/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK,
Sounds like a good experiment. I weighed these and they're soooo lite, so I used 2 liters. The chips are potato chip thin and got really soft pasturizing with the coir.
Also they might need sterilizing. So, I'll try 2:1 chips/coir sterilized. And add oat spawn.
The thing is, the chips are Aspen, a hardwood. And sawdust is prolly Pine, which AFIK is not great.
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Inthepit]
#27035069 - 11/12/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's not great but you could get away with it. the problem with the conifers is that they contain a lot of resin. they use it to seal any wounds and it acts as an antimycotic. I'll see if I can whip something up to test their growth on conifer sawdust.
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Haywire]
#27043321 - 11/17/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, 3 weeks for one Shoebox and 4 for the other. Frankly they look, not so much!
Lost two Shoeboxes to Trichoderma, so not doing so good. It's possible the Alpine chips should be sterilized. Or there should be way more chips to coir. Spawn could be suspect also, cause what does a noob know.
Also took a hit dialing in the Munchauzen/Mushman tub FAE. Have to start somewhere.
Also, I don't think the myc appreciates my sprayer, need a real mister. Even though I "spray" from 5 feet away, the drops are still not mist worthy!
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita (Pioppino) black popler - PIO! noob log [Re: Inthepit]
#27043350 - 11/17/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The mycelium on the left picture looks like it is very hot and it dropped down.
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