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How important is set and setting?
    #27040791 - 11/15/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I understand the importance of setting, obviously I would not want to take a large dose of psychedelics anywhere than the privacy of my own home. I tested this one time by taking a 5g mushroom dose in the wilderness by my self and it was a mistake. I had a difficult trip. Looking back 5g was way too high of a dose in that situation. Others might have been able to handle it better than I.

However, I feel set can be debated. If I am feeling good and I'm centered, I really don't have any reason to take a psychedelic. The times I usually dose is when Im out of balance. I may be in a negative head space and feeling emotionally disconnected and even depressed. I find the time following a break up or a big life change is an opportunity for me to get the most out of a psychedelic experience. I don't dose when life is going smoothly. Just my 2¢ and what works for me. I don't think there is a wrong way to take psychedelics as long as they are being taken in a responsible manner.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27040860 - 11/15/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have taken them often in times of distress.

Large doses to great effect


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27041062 - 11/15/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes you can get away with bad set and setting, other times you can't.

People only usually need one really difficult trip because of ignoring these guidelines and they never do it again. People have different expectations about what is suitable/tolerable for them as well. I can have a rough ride with just a single person at my house on a high dose, but dose similarly at a festival surrounded by hundreds of people and have a great time. Even being alone on a lowish dose can be stressful but being out in a light social environment can be great. But conversely I always ride well alone on high doses.

People are different and have different sensibilities that also change as they mature and gain experience.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27041067 - 11/15/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

My personal interpretation of 'set' for these things is to not go in with arrogance, and to not go in lightly.
A bit of pre-planning what you want to get out of the trip, and a few plans for how you will react to various things will generally do it.

Set and setting can go as loosely as that you tidy your room, clear a couple of days off your schedule, line up some albums to listen to, then relax and take the substance. If you take that further the better it will be generally.

What would be clearly bad set and setting would be randomly deciding to swallow an acid tab on the way home from work when your home is all a mess and you might have people pestering you to run errands all evening.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27041482 - 11/16/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As others have said, sometimes you can indeed get away with a less-than-stellar setting, but it's a risk and you're risking A LOT, to the point where it's never worth that risk IMHO.

I won't trip unless I know I have control over my environment for the period I assume I'll be TKO.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27041486 - 11/16/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It affects the trip for sure. But trips are so random that it might not matter. I've had the perfect set and setting be a disaster, and I've had bad set and setting end up being great. But no matter what, it influences the trip.

In the scientific studies that have been done, the one thing most consistently linked to bad trips and disasters is an unfamiliar or bad setting.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: nooneman]
    #27041491 - 11/16/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

For me, my best trips were by far when submerged in the wilderness (camping, hiking).
I don't know about going in with a bad set though. I wouldn't dare facing voluntary death on a day I'm feeling grumpy or in which I had a pointless argument with my wife or when I'm just depressed about the future for whatever reason. But I can understand how some people would actually NEED the trip to overcome certain mental barriers or heal from trauma, for example.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: nooneman]
    #27041494 - 11/16/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It affects the trip for sure. But trips are so random that it might not matter. I've had the perfect set and setting be a disaster, and I've had bad set and setting end up being great. But no matter what, it influences the trip.

In the scientific studies that have been done, the one thing most consistently linked to bad trips and disasters is an unfamiliar or bad setting.




I don't disagree. I've had what I'd consider the perfect setting, and it proved to be the opposite.

It seems setting most certainly does matter, we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27041632 - 11/16/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If i am to follow set "rule" I would never develop such lovely connection to mushroom spirits. I believe.
There is something special about those unplanned trips. Suddenly you feel the urge (the call?) and you go for it. Recommend.
Setting is more complex. Some places have good vibes, some don't. I try to be in a place where I'm safe and comfortable (home).


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27042000 - 11/16/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:
we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




:whathesaid:

Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.

Because we don't know what our perfect position in the universe needs to be for tripping, we should just focus on being in a safe place with the understanding of the journey we are about to undertake.

We should also take part in whatever personal rituals help ease us into the journey, whether they be at the time of dosing, during the trip or before dosing.

But, at the end of the day, the trip will take you where it wants to. So just don't trip on the side of a busy highway or anywhere else dangerous.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27042061 - 11/16/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone is different, but I can say I've never had a good experience when I tripped in a less than ideal set or setting. If I feel slightly tired, down or anxious or if I'm in any kind of public place, it has only gone badly.

imo good trips are a great thing, but not great enough to warrant the risk of a boring or sad trip (which I've had more of)


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27042178 - 11/16/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I say listen to your intuition.

I usually get a feeling its time and i usually listen.

The other night i had that. Ate 3.5 and as soon as i ate it i knew i needed more. Ate another 1.5 and things went great

I was just crying right before that because of some shit going on and things havent been great recently.

Was a huge help. Much clarity. Very insightful and healing and beneficial in every way


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27042180 - 11/16/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ive also dosed looking for that before and things did not go the way i had hoped.

Had my fair share of difficult and dark trips that did not feel healing and rejuvenating in the ways i have grown to love mushrooms for


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27042219 - 11/16/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am still learning all about set and setting, and I cannot recommend more highly the basic value of the consideration of what is mind set, and what is setting:

you are used to recognizing aspects of your surroundings, and can make decisions about that in a way to make your time more pleasant when you become very resonant.
however, recognizing who you are and what you are bringing into the next 8-12 hour session, is a new landscape for many people.
mind set is a poor summation, as it seems to be what you have set your mind to be, but it is never that at all.
it's more your endo-sphere vs. the atmosphere that surrounds you, but it is also your kiddo-sphere because much of the content is residue of experiences of your inner child. In any case it is important to be familiar with and honest about your own habits and how they are likely to play out in the setting that you have planned for the session.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27042295 - 11/16/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If someone is an experienced psychonaut, set and setting generally don't matter if they know what to expect and keep their cool

Couple places that would make a trip suck:

-Dark abandoned buildings
-completely impossible to navigate rocky hills
-dark alleys
-places that are too busy

You should have a setting you can mostly control, and the set is fine it's easy to get it back on track with just some meditation


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: skOsH]
    #27042365 - 11/16/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some of those who tripped around Charles Manson, never understood their mistake.

Unfortunately there are many unsavory folks often associated with whatever is made illegal. As a result many have tripped with folks that should have been avoided. 

Societies where psychedelics are legal often have supportive 'rituals' around their use. So Leary & Co. didn't really invent the concept.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27042455 - 11/16/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

IME for high doses setting tends not to matter as much as set, as the physical surroundings end up being transformed anyway.  But bad set will take you to hell, so you really have to have the right reasons to be tripping, whatever they might be.


edit the setting should be safe obviously, but order/disorder clean/dirt eventually doesn't matter.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27043205 - 11/17/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Loaded Shaman said:
we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




:whathesaid:

Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.






Yeah, sometimes depends if a person is just thinking about the short term (a good/fun trip) or a more therapeutic experience in the long term. Personally think the whole notion of 'good' and 'bad' trips is often a big part of the problem to be honest. People try too hard to avoid the dark side of the experience and their own minds and inevitably end up making it worse.

But tripping with the wrong kind of people is still a very bad idea!


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27043227 - 11/17/20 02:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Set is hard to define and read ... from my own experience, the intentions to make a trip are what matter.

Setting is important, I wouldn't trip anywhere or with anybody. I also learned that something like an overprepared setting is not necessarily a good thing. I had been preparing for a lsd trip for a long time, I was in a difficult period of my life and wanted so much to heal ... but it was a bit transformed as I believe today I was rather trying to evade for a few hours.

I put too much emphasis into it, everything was so programmed I felt a bit confused during the trip as I was always drawn back to some sort of to do list which I couldn't follow. Now, I prepare my global setting, a nice place, security, a few things I could do, but I try not to forget that the more "spontaneous" the trip is, the better.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: FrenchAlps]
    #27043237 - 11/17/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There are endless set and setting variations. And its always a case by case. Some people need different things at different times.


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