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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27042895 - 11/16/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Like, genuinely, that’s not meant to be an attack on anyone but people are getting so riled up.



it's not personal. This started cause you tried to claim pasteurized coir is superior. That's misinformation, people will correct you so the op and other readers know what the deal is. Then it segwayed into all this martha is superior stuff.




And here we still are, with you claiming one thing and me claiming another, but I’m willing to do a competitive grow and you're not.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042898 - 11/16/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

if a fan is blowing and lowering humidity, it's not 99% humidity.

co2 levels are NOT higher at the surface of the substrate. It doesn't sink cause diffusion is a thing.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25667983

You can't have a competitive grow when you don't post pics. And i'm not going to compete, this is about facts and misconceptions.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27042904 - 11/16/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The co2 doesn’t have to sink, the substrate is producing it. Your body heat will diffuse into the air as well, but the air temperature 1 inch away from you body will be higher than 10 inches away, because your body is the source. The substrate is the source of the co2.

And ok, if you want to be pedantic, my greenhouse is at 99% humidity for 21 hours a day broken up into 12 intervals. Still, completely unattainable with a mono.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27042909 - 11/16/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Greens21 Im not hacking on you but your register date on this forum doesnt mean much. Just because LtLurker registered in 2018 doesnt mean he has only been at it for 2 years.

In any event, i think the goal on this forum is to help each other. Hostility and name calling serves no purpose other than to feed egos. I prefer not to engage with this.

"Pasteurizing" coir serves little purpose, but i also like to err on the safe side and do this with loose coir. I also use hot water to hydrate coco bricks.

Most contams come from bad spawn bags and/or "wet" substrate and/or poor FAE. This is akin to still water in nature which harbors bacteria etc.

I am happy you have such success with MS grows but this is an anomaly to most. It is not the most effective way to grow and i would never recommend this to anyone that is looking for consistent yields or uniform flushes. MS grows would be a good alternative for hobbyists only.

Anyway, good luck and we wish you the best. Please make a grow log of your next project so we can be proven wrong :smile:


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042917 - 11/16/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Then i guess i give up. I really don't wanna continue cluttering this guy's thread, i kinda feel bad now. I tried to show you exactly where the mistake was. Believe what you want dude, but someone's gonna challenge you when you comment that stuff on this forum.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042928 - 11/16/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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In any event, i think the goal on this forum is to help each other. Hostility and name calling serves no purpose other than to feed egos. I prefer not to engage with this.




I never intended to come off as hostile, and certainly never called anyone names. I am here to help by discussing my experience with very successful grows. I understand that there are more modern teks that are probably easier, but that doesn’t negate the success of what I’m talking about

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I am happy you have such success with MS grows but this is an anomaly to most. It is not the most effective way to grow and i would never recommend this to anyone that is looking for consistent yields or uniform flushes.




I assume it’s an anomaly because people do things like not pasteurizing coir and growing in monotubs. If you produce perfect conditions then you can grow perfect shrooms. While perfect conditions may not be necessary for grows from clean clones, that doesn’t mean that clones wouldn’t grow better in perfect conditions rather than simply acceptable ones


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042952 - 11/16/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Please post your next project. I would be very interested in witnessing your remarkable results from MS to Martha (i am not being facetious).


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042963 - 11/16/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am sorry that this thread got so whacked out, I was just answering questions and then responding to people that challenged what I said, I definitely didn’t expect it to go this far


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042969 - 11/16/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I am sorry that this thread got so whacked out, I was just answering questions and then responding to people that challenged what I said, I definitely didn’t expect it to go this far




I have no animosity, im genuinely curious :smile:


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27071284 - 12/04/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Brother I saw your photos there and my jaw completely dropped. Have you posted a description anywhere of your findings/recommendations/current methods? You sir are a living god. I'm only a few months into learning the game and currently wrestling with sub recipes and monotub design in particular regarding air holes and micropore vs polyfil vs open air or some combination thereof. Also wondering about your initiation strategy and your temperatures. Seems like grow tents are the way to go though in terms of really dialing/automating temp and humidity. Basically I wanna ask you every question possible within the bounds of the English language but I'm sure you've already answered all of them elsewhere. Do you have any links for a humble newbie? Thank you in advance for your wisdom and your diligence and your service to the mycelium. I salute you


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: JosephStylin]
    #27084095 - 12/11/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Mycelium and coir are real basic. Clean spawn to bucket tek coir will be healthy in the right environment. This is the hard part for most. In an imperfect environment, contaminations will be much more common. The idea is to give the grain the best chances in the coir. Use your coir as soon it's cool. I've seen unused coir mold in a week. Spawn a day or two after full colonization (for bags, jars spawn immediately when colonized) give em good FAE, Humidity, properly hydrated coir, light and temperature so that grain myc can rip through your substrate and buy all the real estate that contams might occupy if it hadn't. I can't fucking stand monos, never have been able to dial anything in, always super fidgety, pain in the ass altogether. I've found the greenhouse situation is much more successful. Regardless of your environment, dial it in. If you get tired of dialing in monos, build a GH. These are my homie's houses that I've based all mine off of:


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