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    #27040910 - 11/15/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have been fruiting pearl oyster bags on a rack with some success. I make 5# bags and slice them open when they are colonized and have been getting some yield. They tend to pin near where I cut, but not where the opening is. I then cut an opening for them and they grow ok. I mist them twice a day but I assume they are liking the humidity in the bag near the cut, but the cut area is too dry. My yield are not that great. I am growing as a hobby for myself not commercial.

I would like to create a better area to fruit. I am colonizing other gourmets that I think will not work well unless I can fruit in a better way. I have been researching grow tents with humidifiers. There are some automated grow tubs with fans and humidity. The shot gun fruiting chambers appear to be an older method? Enough info to just confuse me at this point.

I have lots of rack space since I grow microgreens indoors. Bins work great for me but I could tent a rack if needed. I have a wine storage room that I keep at 57F so bins would be preferred so I could put chestnuts, enoki, and other cool growing species in there and keep the warmer growing species with the microgreens. But I am open to what works best. 

I go from agar to grain jars to 5# blocks. I can do a different substrate format if that would work better. Any advice or links you could share to point me in the right direction?


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: Grenik]
    #27041245 - 11/15/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This begs the question, how are you actually cutting your bags?
The idea is to cut them with as little disturbance as possible,creating multiple micro environments near that cut.  If your pinning is primarily an in or two behind your cuts.or further..maybe your cuts are too deep or try cutting multiple slits vs an "x".

Ps. Make sure when putting the bag into the fruiting chamber,that your pulling all the "slack" out of the top of the bag,while still being gentle enough that the rest of the bag is tight to the substrate.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27041687 - 11/16/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am not currently using a fruiting chamber, that is the help that I am looking for. What is a good small scale fruiting chamber recommendation that will keep enough humidity and allow enough FAE. I am wanting to grow Chestnut, Lions Mane, and Oysters primarily.

Thank you for the the cuts. I do not make deep cuts, but I certainly score the substrate below the cuts. Sounds like I should be a little more careful in how I do that.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: Grenik]
    #27041996 - 11/16/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i think for your situation, you just need a little grow tent or covering over your shelves. add a fresh air fan and either keep misting or add a humidifier.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: deadmandave]
    #27042710 - 11/16/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How I fruit my oyster is this way. I colonize my bags sitting on the bottom of the bag as normal. Then when it comes time to fruit I release the cable tie push out all the air and reseal the bag tight. Then I flip the bag over and cut the bottom of the bag it will be nice and flat because it was sitting on the bottom while colonizing. Make one slice from corner to corner diagonally. Do not use the tip of the blade. Use as much of the sharp blade as possible and try not to lift the bag from the sub when slicing. This will cause you to have a very thin slice in the bag you will probably wonder if the bag even cut. If you do it this way the only part that will be exposed to FAE is the thin slice and you will only get fruits from the slice and no pins under the bag. When fruiting the bottom of the bag should be on top 180 degrease from the way you colonize your bags. I do not worry about cutting into the sub it will not hurt anything.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27042764 - 11/16/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

And then you just leave it out in the normal air? No fruiting chamber or tent?

I looked at my setup just now and was thinking I could tent some of the area as suggested above.

I have lots of oyster genetics on agar and in bags. I just transferred branched and elm today (they rushed through the grain jars!). I have king and blue on agar almost ready for jars. When misting, is it ok to spray the pins and the small mushrooms if they are sticking out of the bag?

My bags are not very tight when fruiting, I need to correct that. Thank you for the advice.


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    #27042848 - 11/16/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You have not stated the humidity conditions of your current grow space, but seeing how your having issues like this, a tented area would definitely be recommended to keep humidity up..but not totally necessary! 


What i was trying to describe was a more simplified version of what shroomsisay described.  And a long overdue thank you to him for those reusable ties! Picked up that gem long ago while lurking. 

However, I want to understand you better mr. Shrooms  ..I've always taken the tie off completely for the fc. Basically,I squeeze the air out and twist the slack on the top. Are you saying you reseal that slack with a tie? Because admittedly I've had issues of pinning underneath, usually on the filter patch, definitely gonna try zipping them closed now ha!


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: Grenik] * 1
    #27042964 - 11/16/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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And then you just leave it out in the normal air? No fruiting chamber or tent?

I looked at my setup just now and was thinking I could tent some of the area as suggested above.

I have lots of oyster genetics on agar and in bags. I just transferred branched and elm today (they rushed through the grain jars!). I have king and blue on agar almost ready for jars. When misting, is it ok to spray the pins and the small mushrooms if they are sticking out of the bag?

My bags are not very tight when fruiting, I need to correct that. Thank you for the advice.




I would suggest you make a tent.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #27042973 - 11/16/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You have not stated the humidity conditions of your current grow space, but seeing how your having issues like this, a tented area would definitely be recommended to keep humidity up..but not totally necessary! 


What i was trying to describe was a more simplified version of what shroomsisay described.  And a long overdue thank you to him for those reusable ties! Picked up that gem long ago while lurking. 

However, I want to understand you better mr. Shrooms  ..I've always taken the tie off completely for the fc. Basically,I squeeze the air out and twist the slack on the top. Are you saying you reseal that slack with a tie? Because admittedly I've had issues of pinning underneath, usually on the filter patch, definitely gonna try zipping them closed now ha!




If you are getting pins on the underside then fresh air is getting into the bag the simplest way to stop it is to reseal the bag. No fresh air no pins underneath.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27043021 - 11/16/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you all, I appreciate the help. I will work to tent up an area and look at the ties. These are zip ties? I have been sealing the bags with an impulse sealer.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: Grenik]
    #27043091 - 11/16/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

SHROOMSISAY01 means cable ties that can be released without cutting them.
Like this.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: bogdancev]
    #27043149 - 11/17/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

The cable ties are faster than an impulse sealer. Especially since you need to push out all the air and reseal. You could just poke a hole in the bag and push out the air but then you will get pins on the underside of the bag as stated above.

I found the cable ties when I was looking for a way to seal the bags and not have to buy an impulse sealer. As far as I know, I was the 1st to use them. I thought I would use them until I could afford to pay out the money for an impulse sealer. After using them I would not buy an impulse sealer if they were $20. I have found so many uses for the cable ties it is ridiculous. I have them all over the house now.

I even use them in the PC when I do grain bags no problem at all.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27043652 - 11/17/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Resealable cable ties are the best! Aside from closing bags, they're useful for so many other miscellaneous tasks. Haven't tried with grain bags in the PC. Definitely will give it a go. Thanks as always SHROOMSIS for all you share:)

When growing top fruiting mushrooms or bag removal-shiitake, since the bag maintains it's integrity, are you reusing your bags? If so, how many uses are you getting per bag? I've been getting 1-2 uses before I graduate a bag to a mush variety where I cut the bag. A real money saver and my guilt is less about using plastic.


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27043661 - 11/17/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Harry Manbach said:
You have not stated the humidity conditions of your current grow space, but seeing how your having issues like this, a tented area would definitely be recommended to keep humidity up..but not totally necessary! 


What i was trying to describe was a more simplified version of what shroomsisay described.  And a long overdue thank you to him for those reusable ties! Picked up that gem long ago while lurking. 

However, I want to understand you better mr. Shrooms  ..I've always taken the tie off completely for the fc. Basically,I squeeze the air out and twist the slack on the top. Are you saying you reseal that slack with a tie? Because admittedly I've had issues of pinning underneath, usually on the filter patch, definitely gonna try zipping them closed now ha!




If you are getting pins on the underside then fresh air is getting into the bag the simplest way to stop it is to reseal the bag. No fresh air no pins underneath.




I'm aware of the cause of the pins, I was just acknowledging the fact that you're resealing them with the cable ties.  The way I've been doing it I've seen a handful of bags ,usually oysters, creep up and out of the filter patches underneath!

Only reason I ever got into that habit was I only bought one bag of the zippys, but granted I'm overdue to get more not only for this, those things are useful everywhere!


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27219049 - 02/21/21 07:08 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Took the reusable zip tie trick right to the bank.  Love em!  Thanks!


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Re: Grow area/containers [Re: rm1024]
    #27219108 - 02/21/21 07:42 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yea those ties are fantastic. I have no idea why no one used or talked about them on here before I did, but I would assume people were using them they are perfect for this hobby. The fact that they can go through the PC without a problem helps also. As Harry Manbach said I have those things all over the place.


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