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When should I introduce fruiting conditions?
    #27041492 - 11/16/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)





I fucked up and added a casing layer before it was colonized. It's been 10 days.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: ufc]
    #27041498 - 11/16/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You can introduce fruiting conditions right now. You didn't fuck up for applying an early casing so don't worry.

These days almost everybody introduce fruiting conditions at spawning and also apply a casing of substrate right at spawning. It's common practice these days.

That being said, something is not right with your tub. It should not take more than a week to fully colonize. How does it smell?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27041514 - 11/16/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm assuming it's taking forever because I didn't cook my coir for this tub (didn't have a bucket for bucket tek). My jars were in consolidation for over a week and I didn't feel like waiting until I had a bucket. Tubs just smell like coir. I spawned a tub 3 days ago with cooked coir and it's pretty much caught up with this tubs colonization. It's also pretty cold where the tubs are at, probably 55-60 degrees.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: ufc]
    #27041956 - 11/16/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Op, your assumption is incorrect about the "cooked" coir. This has nothing to do with colonization. Im not sure how your second tub has "caught up" as the tub in the photo isnt even 5% yet.

The problem is likely it is too cold. Get some more heat in there. 72f-74f


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042064 - 11/16/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If he used unpasteurized substrate and it’s loaded with contamination, why wouldn’t that affect colonization?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042326 - 11/16/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I decided to try it after reading this thread - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21803495


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21] * 1
    #27042442 - 11/16/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If he used unpasteurized substrate and it’s loaded with contamination, why wouldn’t that affect colonization?



Heating your coir is not for the sake of pasteurization, but for cooking
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Why it works

Coir or CVG(coir verm gypsum)
DOES NOT require pasteurization, there are no beneficial thermophilic microbes thus there's no reason to pasteurize.

Partial sterilization is 170F for 10 minutes. Of course this is not true sterilization but it's past pasteurization.

Coir works better cooked, you can simply hydrate coir with tap water and use it as a substrate, but mycelium enjoys cooked coir more, hence why I use an insulated bucket.





If it smells fine it's almost definitely too cold. Remember, if it's colder outside than in your home, the bottom foot of the room is probably a good 10 degrees colder than the rest. Keep your shit off the floor.
As for fruiting conditions, the difference should only be FAE and maybe light yeah? Forget "colonizing conditions" as the mycelium needs all that shit when it's colonizing too. Spawn to fruiting conditions. I spawn into trays that go right into a greenhouse. Lots of FAE, the colonization is stronger and faster in the GH than a monotub. Just fruit that hoe :smile:


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Vinci]
    #27042579 - 11/16/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Heating your coir is not for the sake of pasteurization, but for cooking






Well he specifically mentioned the bucket tek, which my understanding is a partial sterilization method to circumvent pasteurizing. The reason pasteurization isn’t necessary with the bucket tek is that the high temperatures of the process have partially sterilized the sub, killing any beneficial bacteria, preserving which is the only point of pasteurizing rather than sterilizing. Since he wanted to do it and didn’t, I’m assuming he didn’t do anything to kill contaminants in his substrate, which could definitely affect colonization


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042608 - 11/16/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

what do u guys prefer between the bucket tek and pasteurization?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042612 - 11/16/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I always pasteurize. I generally would prefer to make things 10% harder and get 20% better results than do things the easiest way possible and just settle for acceptable results. This is also why I use a greenhouse instead of monotubs


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042617 - 11/16/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i tried a mini greenhouse and it did not go well. Lot of contamination.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042627 - 11/16/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Idk what method you used, but the contamination likely occurred before you put your grow in the greenhouse. I’ve literally done an open greenhouse grow in the shower of a 30-year old moldy RV with several people using the toilet a few feet away with no contamination.

If everything going into the greenhouse is fully colonized then it’s capable of fighting off contaminants on its own, your contamination almost definitely occurred earlier in your process and just didn’t show itself until you fruited. Unless you just put everything in too early


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042631 - 11/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

ok so can i ask you this, is it possible for when your spawn is fully colonized for there to be contaminants in there? I had 5 albino A+ syringes and all of the grows contamined, like 5-6 tubs.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042633 - 11/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

wanna hear something crazy, the best first flush ive ever had was brf to coir...


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042637 - 11/16/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I would say it’s very rare for a fully colonized container of substrate to be contaminated. Sometimes a container can appear to be fully colonized but still have pockets beneath the surface which you can’t see are uncolonized, and are growing contaminants


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042642 - 11/16/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

so the same applies to grain spawn? ive waited weeks after full colonization of a jar and it still contams. It does not make sense


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042646 - 11/16/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I guess I’m not sure of the question. If a jar of grain was contaminated, then it most likely would not fully colonize, so if it’s fully colonized then it’s a safe bet there are no contams. At what point in your grow did you see contamination? How did you sterilize or pasteurize your substrate and how did you store it while it was colonizing?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042649 - 11/16/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

after a few weeks of colonization it would get trich in big clumps, like out of nowhere. I didnt attend to my tubs for 2 days with the window open and when i came back to look 3 were contamed with trich


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042655 - 11/16/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A few weeks of colonizing after you spawned into tubs? A tub should colonize in 10-14 days, if your tubs were taking 3+weeks to colonize and then showing contaminants, then your substrate was probably contaminated when you spawned. How did you pasteurize your substrate?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042662 - 11/16/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

tub method. Boil 5 quarts of water and put it into 650g of coir with 2 quarts of verm. Put it in and stir. Wait till its cooled off and mix everything together in the tub.
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