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First time with agar
#27041966 - 11/16/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I started 6 jars of agar .. I'm wondering if it's possible to tell me how it's looking from these pictures and where I should go from here .. I mainly just trying to get mycelium grown out so I can put it to Rye Berry jars 
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042024 - 11/16/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's a ton of bacteria on that plate as well as myc In order to get anything from that you'll need to make several transfers from healthy tissue.
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Well that sucks I wasn't really trying to get into sectoring or transferring .. I used a Spore syringe that I had done brown rice flower cakes with had 2 mls left So thought I would give it a try.. Guess it was a failure
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042082 - 11/16/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can still cut that myc and put it to clean agar.
Agar's main use is cleaning cultures up, you have mycelium there, it'll just be a little work to make it usable.
I wouldn't call it a failure, I'd call it practice and source new spores for backup.
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042086 - 11/16/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guess it was a failure
Wait, how was it a failure ? from what I see (bear in mind I'm far from experienced and the use of jars + pic quality doesn't help to make sure), your myc looks healthy here.
I believe what the person answering you meant is that spore syringes are inherently dirty and as a result, there are almost certainly some bacteria in those jars that you can't necessarily see.
Your jars aren't a toss; you just want to take transfers to other agar dishes/jars from a small part of the mycelium in those jars (take a small wedge from close to the leading edge of your myc but still inside the myc; deposit said wedge into the center of a new jar/dish; do that in a sab).
Once you've done that at least twice, then the chances of contamination are vastly lowered and if the myc then looks good, you can ago ahead an inoculate grain (with a similar process as your transfer but a much bigger wedge).
You can do more than two transfers, and it's not a bad idea to do enough so the myc is a bit less fluffy since that fluffiness can apparently help some contams to hide inside it. With that being said, since you're using jars (I imagine with no pour ?) I suppose you'd have a hard time seeing contams 100% - or at least a harder time than with a dish - since you don't have a handy transparent lid to see through.
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Re: First time with agar [Re: Zsuzsi]
#27042092 - 11/16/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I meant around the myc.
Orange isn't a good thing. Especially on agar
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Isn't that just some agar that was poured a bit haphazardly and solidified there ? hence the slightly lighter color ? the color is close to the agar color itself, and the second pic made me think it was (look at the closest part of the glass to the camera; that thing is stuck to the glass and raised a bit above the general level). I've seen a similar effect visually when overpouring dishes.
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Re: First time with agar [Re: Zsuzsi]
#27042103 - 11/16/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look at the 3rd pic, there's a clear separation between the agar and bacteria. I see it, even if you don't. Surely if op decides to transfer (which he should) he will see it when he opens it up
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Re: First time with agar [Re: Zsuzsi]
#27042105 - 11/16/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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The more I look at it and the more I think you're right, my apologies.
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Re: First time with agar [Re: Zsuzsi]
#27042110 - 11/16/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't be sorry, be silly! I have more experience with bacteria than I like to admit
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042120 - 11/16/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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tripster30 said: I wasn't really trying to get into sectoring or transferring
If starting agar from spores then at least one transfer is an important part of the process as the main aim to to use the agar to separate the myc from the bac/mold!
Give it a whirl!
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Re: First time with agar [Re: coversall]
#27042159 - 11/16/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for everyone's responses definitely brand new to all of this.. So the orange streaks are bacteria? Could they have been caused by putting to much Spore solution on to the agar and then it running around the jar? Was doing no pour and figured if using a Spore syringe I would never have to open the door once until I needed to
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042165 - 11/16/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jesus christ they're looking fucked up. It's ok though, as the people above have said just transfer a bit of the myc (near the edge but not that near - stay away from the orange monstrosity) to new plates.
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Re: First time with agar [Re: Zsuzsi]
#27042372 - 11/16/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm lazy rn, but try to find How it should and shouldn't look And Cleaning and isolation on agar
Those threads should help
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Trypt is right. Your syringe is most likely riddled with bacteria. From the looks of the myc id guess it'll take quite a few transfers to clean.
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I injected 8 brown rice flour cakes and they all colonize without contamination so I figured this ment it was clean but now from what I'm understanding just because the cakes came out doesn't mean there's not contamination in the syringe somewhere.. could be wrong but I think a big part of it is the liquid solution rolling around in the jar instead of one drop staying in the center until it's soaked in.. But I could be wrong
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042505 - 11/16/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Water doesn't cause bacteria. Bacteria causes bacteria. Water helps it move.
Its possible your syringe was relatively clean and you contaminated it during use
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042507 - 11/16/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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(beat me to it)
BRF cakes are famous for doing well even with bacterial syringes. Which is nice because a lot of "professional" syringes are bacterial.
Too much spore solution isn't the best but it doesn't create bacteria. How could it? There are only so many options. Either the syringe was dirty or you somehow introduced the bacteria while inoculating.
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Everyone said don't be intimidated by agar.. But it seems I'm far from understanding it LOL.. I had better luck buying multi Spore syringes from vendors and just injecting it into my grain jars but I thought going to agar would make the process better somehow
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Re: First time with agar [Re: tripster30]
#27042530 - 11/16/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It does make it better. It keeps loads of us from wasting materials on shitty syringes that can be a crapshoot
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