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When should I introduce fruiting conditions?
    #27041492 - 11/16/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)





I fucked up and added a casing layer before it was colonized. It's been 10 days.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: ufc]
    #27041498 - 11/16/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You can introduce fruiting conditions right now. You didn't fuck up for applying an early casing so don't worry.

These days almost everybody introduce fruiting conditions at spawning and also apply a casing of substrate right at spawning. It's common practice these days.

That being said, something is not right with your tub. It should not take more than a week to fully colonize. How does it smell?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27041514 - 11/16/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm assuming it's taking forever because I didn't cook my coir for this tub (didn't have a bucket for bucket tek). My jars were in consolidation for over a week and I didn't feel like waiting until I had a bucket. Tubs just smell like coir. I spawned a tub 3 days ago with cooked coir and it's pretty much caught up with this tubs colonization. It's also pretty cold where the tubs are at, probably 55-60 degrees.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: ufc]
    #27041956 - 11/16/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Op, your assumption is incorrect about the "cooked" coir. This has nothing to do with colonization. Im not sure how your second tub has "caught up" as the tub in the photo isnt even 5% yet.

The problem is likely it is too cold. Get some more heat in there. 72f-74f


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042064 - 11/16/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If he used unpasteurized substrate and it’s loaded with contamination, why wouldn’t that affect colonization?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042326 - 11/16/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I decided to try it after reading this thread - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21803495


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21] * 1
    #27042442 - 11/16/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If he used unpasteurized substrate and it’s loaded with contamination, why wouldn’t that affect colonization?



Heating your coir is not for the sake of pasteurization, but for cooking
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Why it works

Coir or CVG(coir verm gypsum)
DOES NOT require pasteurization, there are no beneficial thermophilic microbes thus there's no reason to pasteurize.

Partial sterilization is 170F for 10 minutes. Of course this is not true sterilization but it's past pasteurization.

Coir works better cooked, you can simply hydrate coir with tap water and use it as a substrate, but mycelium enjoys cooked coir more, hence why I use an insulated bucket.





If it smells fine it's almost definitely too cold. Remember, if it's colder outside than in your home, the bottom foot of the room is probably a good 10 degrees colder than the rest. Keep your shit off the floor.
As for fruiting conditions, the difference should only be FAE and maybe light yeah? Forget "colonizing conditions" as the mycelium needs all that shit when it's colonizing too. Spawn to fruiting conditions. I spawn into trays that go right into a greenhouse. Lots of FAE, the colonization is stronger and faster in the GH than a monotub. Just fruit that hoe :smile:


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Vinci]
    #27042579 - 11/16/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Heating your coir is not for the sake of pasteurization, but for cooking






Well he specifically mentioned the bucket tek, which my understanding is a partial sterilization method to circumvent pasteurizing. The reason pasteurization isn’t necessary with the bucket tek is that the high temperatures of the process have partially sterilized the sub, killing any beneficial bacteria, preserving which is the only point of pasteurizing rather than sterilizing. Since he wanted to do it and didn’t, I’m assuming he didn’t do anything to kill contaminants in his substrate, which could definitely affect colonization


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042608 - 11/16/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

what do u guys prefer between the bucket tek and pasteurization?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042612 - 11/16/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I always pasteurize. I generally would prefer to make things 10% harder and get 20% better results than do things the easiest way possible and just settle for acceptable results. This is also why I use a greenhouse instead of monotubs


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042617 - 11/16/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i tried a mini greenhouse and it did not go well. Lot of contamination.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042627 - 11/16/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Idk what method you used, but the contamination likely occurred before you put your grow in the greenhouse. I’ve literally done an open greenhouse grow in the shower of a 30-year old moldy RV with several people using the toilet a few feet away with no contamination.

If everything going into the greenhouse is fully colonized then it’s capable of fighting off contaminants on its own, your contamination almost definitely occurred earlier in your process and just didn’t show itself until you fruited. Unless you just put everything in too early


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042631 - 11/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

ok so can i ask you this, is it possible for when your spawn is fully colonized for there to be contaminants in there? I had 5 albino A+ syringes and all of the grows contamined, like 5-6 tubs.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042633 - 11/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

wanna hear something crazy, the best first flush ive ever had was brf to coir...


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042637 - 11/16/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I would say it’s very rare for a fully colonized container of substrate to be contaminated. Sometimes a container can appear to be fully colonized but still have pockets beneath the surface which you can’t see are uncolonized, and are growing contaminants


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042642 - 11/16/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

so the same applies to grain spawn? ive waited weeks after full colonization of a jar and it still contams. It does not make sense


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042646 - 11/16/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I guess I’m not sure of the question. If a jar of grain was contaminated, then it most likely would not fully colonize, so if it’s fully colonized then it’s a safe bet there are no contams. At what point in your grow did you see contamination? How did you sterilize or pasteurize your substrate and how did you store it while it was colonizing?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042649 - 11/16/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

after a few weeks of colonization it would get trich in big clumps, like out of nowhere. I didnt attend to my tubs for 2 days with the window open and when i came back to look 3 were contamed with trich


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042655 - 11/16/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A few weeks of colonizing after you spawned into tubs? A tub should colonize in 10-14 days, if your tubs were taking 3+weeks to colonize and then showing contaminants, then your substrate was probably contaminated when you spawned. How did you pasteurize your substrate?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042662 - 11/16/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

tub method. Boil 5 quarts of water and put it into 650g of coir with 2 quarts of verm. Put it in and stir. Wait till its cooled off and mix everything together in the tub.
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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: CableTV]
    #27042683 - 11/16/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah idk, I guess this is why I choose pasteurization. Obviously some people have had success with that method but I’ve never had my pasteurized coir contaminate. Is there any way to allow for field capacity? I only put 4 quarts of water to one brick of coir and I still have to squeeze out some of it. I feel like that would lead to a lot of excess water in the substrate


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042706 - 11/16/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You don't have to pasteurize coir, nor are you gonna see 20% better results from doing that. Coir just doesn't give a damn what you do to it, nor does myc.

Pasteurizing coir is useless because it doesn't have the beneficial bacteria that we seek to keep alive by pasteurizing, nor does it harbor harmful organism.

If you spawn grain to coir and it takes 3 weeks to colonize you can be sure is toast or you're keeping it near freezing temps. 5 days is the norm, 7 days Max.

Greenhouses/Marthas won't give ya 20% better results than monotubs. Monotubs are much easier to dial in, less costly and can put out killer flushes.

It's fine you want to take the complicated route for no reason, but new growers don't need any of that.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27042719 - 11/16/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i have a tub right now thats still colonizing and ive had it for 6 weeks lol. Lots of other have contamed but this one is still slowly colonizing. Its less than a 1/5 ratio for sure


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042723 - 11/16/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Is there any way to allow for field capacity? I only put 4 quarts of water to one brick of coir and I still have to squeeze out some of it. I feel like that would lead to a lot of excess water in the substrate



There's a ratio of ml:Grams of coir floating around, but after making it so many times i know if I take an eco brick and add roughly a gallon it's right around field capacity with little squeezing or adding.

I don't need to parrot Josex on the pasteurize thing. It's not a problem, just unnecessary 99% of the time.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27042728 - 11/16/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’d be happy to challenge any grower here to a competitive grow.

MS syringe of the same variety from the same supplier (I’m not looking to compete to see who has a better clone, the crapshoot of MS makes it fair either way). I’ll pasteurize my coir, you don’t. I’ll use my greenhouse, you use your monotub. Let’s see if better methods don’t actually produce better results, both in terms of speed and yield.

The reality is that people are simply satisfied with the yields they get from their methods, but it doesn’t mean they’re the best. My greenhouse can get 50x the FAE while maintaining constant 99% humidity, two things that will never happen in a monotub, and will absolutely improve results.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042737 - 11/16/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A. It's not a competitive sport.

B. Compare MS grows? That's a silly and ineffective idea. You'd have to have the same consistent clone at least.

C. I have pasteurized coir, because it was crappy gardening coir and had so much other organics in it it would contam out without it(that 1% of the time).

D. You can't grow in 99% humidity because water wouldn't evaporate to encourage pinning.

E. IDK how you can even quantify FAE. I guess it has a "rate" but all you need to do is strike a balance between moisture and fae so it doesn't dry out or stay saturated.

F. The best way to increase yields is get good at sterile tek, build up your eye for maintaining a surface, and get yourself a good producing clone. Not fancy contraptions.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21] * 1
    #27042746 - 11/16/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I’d be happy to challenge any grower here to a competitive grow.

MS syringe of the same variety from the same supplier (I’m not looking to compete to see who has a better clone, the crapshoot of MS makes it fair either way). I’ll pasteurize my coir, you don’t. I’ll use my greenhouse, you use your monotub. Let’s see if better methods don’t actually produce better results, both in terms of speed and yield.

The reality is that people are simply satisfied with the yields they get from their methods, but it doesn’t mean they’re the best. My greenhouse can get 50x the FAE while maintaining constant 99% humidity, two things that will never happen in a monotub, and will absolutely improve results.




Ok so you're basically saying people who don't pasteurize their coir and don't use Marthas are simply half-assing things and are content with mediocre results?

Please, just visit the thread "Post your cultuvation picture of the day" and take a look at the killer grows people have been posting just today.

I don't need a challenge, just show me your pics and I'll show you mine if you want.

I just hope the grows in your signature aren't what you consider a good grow, are they?


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27042760 - 11/16/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Those are pics from my very first grow 13 years ago, I don’t take pics of my grows anymore.

And sure, people have great results using simpler methods, but that doesn’t mean their results wouldn’t be better if they used better methods. But, they’re satisfied with the results that they get, so why would they do something more complicated if they’re already happy? I’m not that type of grower, I’d rather put in 10% more time and get 20% better results, as I said earlier. I don’t keep grows going year-round, I grow once a year, so yes, I make sure to maximize everything. If I had another harvest just around the corner, sure, I’d probably be fine with 80% too.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042763 - 11/16/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

How convenient you don't take pics anymore.

I don't have anything more to add or argue, let OP decide who to listen to.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042766 - 11/16/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27042774 - 11/16/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You don't have to pasteurize coir, nor are you gonna see 20% better results from doing that. Coir just doesn't give a damn what you do to it, nor does myc.

Pasteurizing coir is useless because it doesn't have the beneficial bacteria that we seek to keep alive by pasteurizing, nor does it harbor harmful organism.

If you spawn grain to coir and it takes 3 weeks to colonize you can be sure is toast or you're keeping it near freezing temps. 5 days is the norm, 7 days Max.

Greenhouses/Marthas won't give ya 20% better results than monotubs. Monotubs are much easier to dial in, less costly and can put out killer flushes.

It's fine you want to take the complicated route for no reason, but new growers don't need any of that.




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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27042789 - 11/16/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A. It's not a competitive sport.

B. Compare MS grows? That's a silly and ineffective idea. You'd have to have the same consistent clone at least.

C. I have pasteurized coir, because it was crappy gardening coir and had so much other organics in it it would contam out without it(that 1% of the time).

D. You can't grow in 99% humidity because water wouldn't evaporate to encourage pinning.

E. IDK how you can even quantify FAE. I guess it has a "rate" but all you need to do is strike a balance between moisture and fae so it doesn't dry out or stay saturated.

F. The best way to increase yields is get good at sterile tek, build up your eye for maintaining a surface, and get yourself a good producing clone. Not fancy contraptions.




And this...

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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042808 - 11/16/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A. It doesn’t have to be but it can be, why not? If the goal is to find the best methods why wouldn’t you make them compete against each other?

B. Agreed that comparing the same clone would be better, but it’s impractical. I don’t take pics of my grows for safety purposes, I’m sure you can understand I’m also not comfortable giving out my address or sending active shrooms through the mail.

C. Pasteurizing both defends against contams and allows for a symbiotic relationship between healthy bacteria and mycelium. Idk who got the idea that coir doesn’t contain healthy or unhealthy bacteria, literally everything on the planet that isn’t sterile has both.

D. Strange, I guess you should tell that to the shrooms that grow in 99% humidity in my greenhouse

E. FAE is about more than regulating surface moisture. Mycelium produces co2 which slows growth. Exchanging that co2 for oxygen encourages growth. I don’t understand how you couldn’t understand that fanning a tub with a lid twice a day isn’t quantifiably less fresh air exchange than having a fan blow fresh air directly into the tub in 3 second intervals for 15 minutes every two hours 24 hours a day. This prevents even the tiniest bit of co2 buildup at the surface level and is greatly beneficial to yield

F. Obviously improving your methods will improve your yields, but it doesn’t mean that the method can’t be further improved


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042833 - 11/16/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dude you're ridiculous and half that comment is just wrong and misinformed. Totally makes sense that you maybe grow once a year and happy with your tek and what you think you know. It makes zero sense you seem to think you're an expert when you only grow once a year and clearly haven't read shit since you learned initially.

I'm not gonna fill this thread up with bickering anymore and let op make his choices and ask his questions. Good luck.


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    #27042853 - 11/16/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I’m wrong about everything which is why I produce better grows than the vast majority of what I see posted here. My MS grows have pinsets and yields that rival a lot of clone grows I see here, and obviously my clone grows are better than that. Guy thinks he learned more in two years of growing than I’ve learned in 13. You’ve learned teks that work well for you and you’re happy with, but that doesn’t make me wrong about anything.

I never claimed to be an expert but I do know a lot about one particular growing method. And I grow once a year these days. It wasn’t always like that, I have many grows under my belt.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042866 - 11/16/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, I’m wrong about everything which is why I produce better grows than the vast majority of what I see posted here. My MS grows have pinsets and yields that rival a lot of clone grows I see here, and obviously my clone grows are better than that. Guy thinks he learned more in two years of growing than I’ve learned in 13. You’ve learned teks that work well for you and you’re happy with, but that doesn’t make me wrong about anything.





Hey, you're challenging everybody and saying your shit is the best but then you said,

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Those are pics from my very first grow 13 years ago, I don’t take pics of my grows anymore.




I hope you realize nobody is going to take you seriously at this point and idk who you're trying to convince.

I really don't know how I managed to pull these grows without a Martha and without pasteurizing my coir, 



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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042878 - 11/16/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

co2 doesn't build up unless a container is air tight. Any fae prevents suffocation. That's like some weird 90's- early 2000's misconception to justify fanning(which isn't current practice anymore).

Your martha's not 99% humidity, your hygrometer isn't reading properly(or you're lying). Any commercial grow or large enough tent with controls has on/off set in a way for the humidity to drop for evaporation, then raises again. 100% humidity is a puddle, 99% is too dense for efficient evaporation. If you get growth in 99%, it's not gonna be consistent canopies.

Still sounds like you stopped learning when you first got a tek down. Cause your just regurgitating the same debunked things a lot of newbs hear from older books and sources.

Basic AF top fruited cake. Yielded ~1/2 oz.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27042880 - 11/16/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, I don’t blame anyone for not believing me, but that doesn’t make me wrong.

And I never said people couldn’t have successful grows using simpler teks, I said they could have better grows with more complicated teks. I honestly don’t even understand why anyone would be offended by that. A monotub produces very well in relation to the amount of work you have to put in, but that doesn’t mean that you couldn’t produce better in a properly setup greenhouse.

Like, genuinely, that’s not meant to be an attack on anyone but people are getting so riled up.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042888 - 11/16/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Like, genuinely, that’s not meant to be an attack on anyone but people are getting so riled up.



it's not personal. This started cause you tried to claim pasteurized coir is superior. That's misinformation, people will correct you so the op and other readers know what the deal is. Then it segwayed into all this martha is superior stuff.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042891 - 11/16/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Any commercial grow or large enough tent with controls has on/off set in a way for the humidity to drop for evaporation, then raises again




Maybe you missed the part where I said a fan blows directly into the tub at three second intervals for 15 minutes at a time 24 hours a day. That’s when the evaporation happens. My surfaces remain moist with no puddles and my analog hygrometer reads 99% humidity for the remaining hour and 45 minutes out of every two hour period.

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co2 doesn't build up unless a container is air tight. Any fae prevents suffocation




I’m not talking about suffocation. The co2 levels at the surface of your substrate are absolutely higher than they are above, or outside of your tub. There can easily be enough co2 to impact growth rates without building up to a toxic level


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27042895 - 11/16/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Like, genuinely, that’s not meant to be an attack on anyone but people are getting so riled up.



it's not personal. This started cause you tried to claim pasteurized coir is superior. That's misinformation, people will correct you so the op and other readers know what the deal is. Then it segwayed into all this martha is superior stuff.




And here we still are, with you claiming one thing and me claiming another, but I’m willing to do a competitive grow and you're not.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042898 - 11/16/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

if a fan is blowing and lowering humidity, it's not 99% humidity.

co2 levels are NOT higher at the surface of the substrate. It doesn't sink cause diffusion is a thing.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25667983

You can't have a competitive grow when you don't post pics. And i'm not going to compete, this is about facts and misconceptions.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27042904 - 11/16/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The co2 doesn’t have to sink, the substrate is producing it. Your body heat will diffuse into the air as well, but the air temperature 1 inch away from you body will be higher than 10 inches away, because your body is the source. The substrate is the source of the co2.

And ok, if you want to be pedantic, my greenhouse is at 99% humidity for 21 hours a day broken up into 12 intervals. Still, completely unattainable with a mono.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27042909 - 11/16/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Greens21 Im not hacking on you but your register date on this forum doesnt mean much. Just because LtLurker registered in 2018 doesnt mean he has only been at it for 2 years.

In any event, i think the goal on this forum is to help each other. Hostility and name calling serves no purpose other than to feed egos. I prefer not to engage with this.

"Pasteurizing" coir serves little purpose, but i also like to err on the safe side and do this with loose coir. I also use hot water to hydrate coco bricks.

Most contams come from bad spawn bags and/or "wet" substrate and/or poor FAE. This is akin to still water in nature which harbors bacteria etc.

I am happy you have such success with MS grows but this is an anomaly to most. It is not the most effective way to grow and i would never recommend this to anyone that is looking for consistent yields or uniform flushes. MS grows would be a good alternative for hobbyists only.

Anyway, good luck and we wish you the best. Please make a grow log of your next project so we can be proven wrong :smile:


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042917 - 11/16/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Then i guess i give up. I really don't wanna continue cluttering this guy's thread, i kinda feel bad now. I tried to show you exactly where the mistake was. Believe what you want dude, but someone's gonna challenge you when you comment that stuff on this forum.


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042928 - 11/16/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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In any event, i think the goal on this forum is to help each other. Hostility and name calling serves no purpose other than to feed egos. I prefer not to engage with this.




I never intended to come off as hostile, and certainly never called anyone names. I am here to help by discussing my experience with very successful grows. I understand that there are more modern teks that are probably easier, but that doesn’t negate the success of what I’m talking about

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I am happy you have such success with MS grows but this is an anomaly to most. It is not the most effective way to grow and i would never recommend this to anyone that is looking for consistent yields or uniform flushes.




I assume it’s an anomaly because people do things like not pasteurizing coir and growing in monotubs. If you produce perfect conditions then you can grow perfect shrooms. While perfect conditions may not be necessary for grows from clean clones, that doesn’t mean that clones wouldn’t grow better in perfect conditions rather than simply acceptable ones


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042952 - 11/16/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Please post your next project. I would be very interested in witnessing your remarkable results from MS to Martha (i am not being facetious).


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: maxmush]
    #27042963 - 11/16/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am sorry that this thread got so whacked out, I was just answering questions and then responding to people that challenged what I said, I definitely didn’t expect it to go this far


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Greens21]
    #27042969 - 11/16/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I am sorry that this thread got so whacked out, I was just answering questions and then responding to people that challenged what I said, I definitely didn’t expect it to go this far




I have no animosity, im genuinely curious :smile:


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: Josex]
    #27071284 - 12/04/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Brother I saw your photos there and my jaw completely dropped. Have you posted a description anywhere of your findings/recommendations/current methods? You sir are a living god. I'm only a few months into learning the game and currently wrestling with sub recipes and monotub design in particular regarding air holes and micropore vs polyfil vs open air or some combination thereof. Also wondering about your initiation strategy and your temperatures. Seems like grow tents are the way to go though in terms of really dialing/automating temp and humidity. Basically I wanna ask you every question possible within the bounds of the English language but I'm sure you've already answered all of them elsewhere. Do you have any links for a humble newbie? Thank you in advance for your wisdom and your diligence and your service to the mycelium. I salute you


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Re: When should I introduce fruiting conditions? [Re: JosephStylin]
    #27084095 - 12/11/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mycelium and coir are real basic. Clean spawn to bucket tek coir will be healthy in the right environment. This is the hard part for most. In an imperfect environment, contaminations will be much more common. The idea is to give the grain the best chances in the coir. Use your coir as soon it's cool. I've seen unused coir mold in a week. Spawn a day or two after full colonization (for bags, jars spawn immediately when colonized) give em good FAE, Humidity, properly hydrated coir, light and temperature so that grain myc can rip through your substrate and buy all the real estate that contams might occupy if it hadn't. I can't fucking stand monos, never have been able to dial anything in, always super fidgety, pain in the ass altogether. I've found the greenhouse situation is much more successful. Regardless of your environment, dial it in. If you get tired of dialing in monos, build a GH. These are my homie's houses that I've based all mine off of:


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