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How important is set and setting?
    #27040791 - 11/15/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I understand the importance of setting, obviously I would not want to take a large dose of psychedelics anywhere than the privacy of my own home. I tested this one time by taking a 5g mushroom dose in the wilderness by my self and it was a mistake. I had a difficult trip. Looking back 5g was way too high of a dose in that situation. Others might have been able to handle it better than I.

However, I feel set can be debated. If I am feeling good and I'm centered, I really don't have any reason to take a psychedelic. The times I usually dose is when Im out of balance. I may be in a negative head space and feeling emotionally disconnected and even depressed. I find the time following a break up or a big life change is an opportunity for me to get the most out of a psychedelic experience. I don't dose when life is going smoothly. Just my 2¢ and what works for me. I don't think there is a wrong way to take psychedelics as long as they are being taken in a responsible manner.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27040860 - 11/15/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have taken them often in times of distress.

Large doses to great effect


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27041062 - 11/15/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes you can get away with bad set and setting, other times you can't.

People only usually need one really difficult trip because of ignoring these guidelines and they never do it again. People have different expectations about what is suitable/tolerable for them as well. I can have a rough ride with just a single person at my house on a high dose, but dose similarly at a festival surrounded by hundreds of people and have a great time. Even being alone on a lowish dose can be stressful but being out in a light social environment can be great. But conversely I always ride well alone on high doses.

People are different and have different sensibilities that also change as they mature and gain experience.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27041067 - 11/15/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

My personal interpretation of 'set' for these things is to not go in with arrogance, and to not go in lightly.
A bit of pre-planning what you want to get out of the trip, and a few plans for how you will react to various things will generally do it.

Set and setting can go as loosely as that you tidy your room, clear a couple of days off your schedule, line up some albums to listen to, then relax and take the substance. If you take that further the better it will be generally.

What would be clearly bad set and setting would be randomly deciding to swallow an acid tab on the way home from work when your home is all a mess and you might have people pestering you to run errands all evening.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27041482 - 11/16/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As others have said, sometimes you can indeed get away with a less-than-stellar setting, but it's a risk and you're risking A LOT, to the point where it's never worth that risk IMHO.

I won't trip unless I know I have control over my environment for the period I assume I'll be TKO.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27041486 - 11/16/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It affects the trip for sure. But trips are so random that it might not matter. I've had the perfect set and setting be a disaster, and I've had bad set and setting end up being great. But no matter what, it influences the trip.

In the scientific studies that have been done, the one thing most consistently linked to bad trips and disasters is an unfamiliar or bad setting.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: nooneman]
    #27041491 - 11/16/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

For me, my best trips were by far when submerged in the wilderness (camping, hiking).
I don't know about going in with a bad set though. I wouldn't dare facing voluntary death on a day I'm feeling grumpy or in which I had a pointless argument with my wife or when I'm just depressed about the future for whatever reason. But I can understand how some people would actually NEED the trip to overcome certain mental barriers or heal from trauma, for example.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: nooneman]
    #27041494 - 11/16/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It affects the trip for sure. But trips are so random that it might not matter. I've had the perfect set and setting be a disaster, and I've had bad set and setting end up being great. But no matter what, it influences the trip.

In the scientific studies that have been done, the one thing most consistently linked to bad trips and disasters is an unfamiliar or bad setting.




I don't disagree. I've had what I'd consider the perfect setting, and it proved to be the opposite.

It seems setting most certainly does matter, we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27041632 - 11/16/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If i am to follow set "rule" I would never develop such lovely connection to mushroom spirits. I believe.
There is something special about those unplanned trips. Suddenly you feel the urge (the call?) and you go for it. Recommend.
Setting is more complex. Some places have good vibes, some don't. I try to be in a place where I'm safe and comfortable (home).


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27042000 - 11/16/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




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Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.

Because we don't know what our perfect position in the universe needs to be for tripping, we should just focus on being in a safe place with the understanding of the journey we are about to undertake.

We should also take part in whatever personal rituals help ease us into the journey, whether they be at the time of dosing, during the trip or before dosing.

But, at the end of the day, the trip will take you where it wants to. So just don't trip on the side of a busy highway or anywhere else dangerous.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27042061 - 11/16/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone is different, but I can say I've never had a good experience when I tripped in a less than ideal set or setting. If I feel slightly tired, down or anxious or if I'm in any kind of public place, it has only gone badly.

imo good trips are a great thing, but not great enough to warrant the risk of a boring or sad trip (which I've had more of)


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Ezuma]
    #27042178 - 11/16/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I say listen to your intuition.

I usually get a feeling its time and i usually listen.

The other night i had that. Ate 3.5 and as soon as i ate it i knew i needed more. Ate another 1.5 and things went great

I was just crying right before that because of some shit going on and things havent been great recently.

Was a huge help. Much clarity. Very insightful and healing and beneficial in every way


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27042180 - 11/16/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ive also dosed looking for that before and things did not go the way i had hoped.

Had my fair share of difficult and dark trips that did not feel healing and rejuvenating in the ways i have grown to love mushrooms for


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27042219 - 11/16/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am still learning all about set and setting, and I cannot recommend more highly the basic value of the consideration of what is mind set, and what is setting:

you are used to recognizing aspects of your surroundings, and can make decisions about that in a way to make your time more pleasant when you become very resonant.
however, recognizing who you are and what you are bringing into the next 8-12 hour session, is a new landscape for many people.
mind set is a poor summation, as it seems to be what you have set your mind to be, but it is never that at all.
it's more your endo-sphere vs. the atmosphere that surrounds you, but it is also your kiddo-sphere because much of the content is residue of experiences of your inner child. In any case it is important to be familiar with and honest about your own habits and how they are likely to play out in the setting that you have planned for the session.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27042295 - 11/16/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If someone is an experienced psychonaut, set and setting generally don't matter if they know what to expect and keep their cool

Couple places that would make a trip suck:

-Dark abandoned buildings
-completely impossible to navigate rocky hills
-dark alleys
-places that are too busy

You should have a setting you can mostly control, and the set is fine it's easy to get it back on track with just some meditation


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: skOsH]
    #27042365 - 11/16/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some of those who tripped around Charles Manson, never understood their mistake.

Unfortunately there are many unsavory folks often associated with whatever is made illegal. As a result many have tripped with folks that should have been avoided. 

Societies where psychedelics are legal often have supportive 'rituals' around their use. So Leary & Co. didn't really invent the concept.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27042455 - 11/16/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

IME for high doses setting tends not to matter as much as set, as the physical surroundings end up being transformed anyway.  But bad set will take you to hell, so you really have to have the right reasons to be tripping, whatever they might be.


edit the setting should be safe obviously, but order/disorder clean/dirt eventually doesn't matter.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27043205 - 11/17/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




:whathesaid:

Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.






Yeah, sometimes depends if a person is just thinking about the short term (a good/fun trip) or a more therapeutic experience in the long term. Personally think the whole notion of 'good' and 'bad' trips is often a big part of the problem to be honest. People try too hard to avoid the dark side of the experience and their own minds and inevitably end up making it worse.

But tripping with the wrong kind of people is still a very bad idea!


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27043227 - 11/17/20 02:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Set is hard to define and read ... from my own experience, the intentions to make a trip are what matter.

Setting is important, I wouldn't trip anywhere or with anybody. I also learned that something like an overprepared setting is not necessarily a good thing. I had been preparing for a lsd trip for a long time, I was in a difficult period of my life and wanted so much to heal ... but it was a bit transformed as I believe today I was rather trying to evade for a few hours.

I put too much emphasis into it, everything was so programmed I felt a bit confused during the trip as I was always drawn back to some sort of to do list which I couldn't follow. Now, I prepare my global setting, a nice place, security, a few things I could do, but I try not to forget that the more "spontaneous" the trip is, the better.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: FrenchAlps]
    #27043237 - 11/17/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There are endless set and setting variations. And its always a case by case. Some people need different things at different times.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Rise against]
    #27043325 - 11/17/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Personally I think setting is everything and who you are with or not with.  Strange you didn't like nature as it is my favorite place and my apartment I don't enjoy it.  Feels clausterphobic.  Maybe because of spending a lot of time in jail because of "drugs".

To each their own and found it interesting how you only take it when feeling off centered and life experiences that are negative like a break up or such.  I.M.E. when happy and centered can also bring such insight and spiritual progression.  Places in ones mind that were not apparent in the subconscious become so and one keeps progressing through our little time here on earth. 

Will be nice if they ever legalize all plants and fungi in the States and get rid of the Nixon era controlled substance list.  That would take so much of the paranoia away from it among other benefits of how much that has fucked people over for almost 50 years now.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Barnaby]
    #27043449 - 11/17/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

basically this is not about good or bad trips, or how to have the best trip ever and then Instagram it to make others jealous; it is about understanding the nature of trips, the texture of them, and what part we play in the experiences we live through.

If I say consider set and setting, I don't mean
"consider set and setting before your trip"
I do mean
"consider set and setting now and always to understand your experience"
It has to become part of tripping (and living) or you miss your whole agency relevance thing.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27043549 - 11/17/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Agency relevance "thing".  I know it goes deep and would take a hell of a lot of time to write about it.  Get the rest of the post but go deeper on that last part if you choose.

And yes, Groucho was waaaay ahead of his time watching youtube vids of him and his views.
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I avoid it like the plague in altered states of consciousness with strangers unless I drink then is a lowering of the mind and destructive to the body and consciousness.  Lowers it to where the bland can actually be entertaining.

I get why alcohol, caffeine, adderall,  like Bill Maher put it, for a productive and energized society to work for those in control, bosses, and government and those that control the government and labor for them. 

Blah.  Sun is out.  Time to go hit some tennis balls against a wall.  Body and mind.  Feed them both.  At a perfect weight and am bored but in Covid year, whatever.  No one likes to hear a complainer.  One just adjusts.

Listen to someone who bitches about life and their problems while on anything that is not esoteric.  I walked in and started to talk to my brother long ago while he was drunk with his girlfriend watching a movie and talking to them noticed the dumbed down effect of alcohol.  Nothing against it, just being objective. 

My mind was spiraling with all these amazing thoughts and realizations but they couldn't understand any of it.  That will always stick with me.  Same, a long time ago so don't judge.  Driving with my friend on L.S.D. and dropping him off at another friends house as I had something to do.

I will always remember when I arrived back him running out the front door saying loudly, HE DOESN'T GET IT!  In almost a panic type of state which made me laugh.  When all the ego is removed and the purity of it and how bad he wanted to go back to the conversations we were having together in that mind state.  Then pulling up to the stop sign and stopping.  Looking at it.  S, 3-D image floating from it directly to my mind in a hearbeat.  T., O., P.,  Strange but made perfect sense which makes me laugh. 

The humdrum of everyday life but there is a world beneath the conscious level that is so interesting that most just take for what it is day to day and what a boring way to go about ones lifetime.  And I am sorry.  A guy with an actual peg leg, couldn't make this up, at a convience store as where else would a man be with it, I broke out laughing.  Not at him mind you just at the absurdity of it all.

This makes people uncomfortable of course.  Hence nature.  It doesn't judge and doesn't care.  And animals and deer like me.  Don't want to shoot or kill them.  Everything is connected and they sense love and the opposite of which is violence and those that are blind to their connection to everything.  Even the trees and environment and so on. 

We may visit here but we are a part of it all.  I love it.  So fuck Covid within reason and those people that are destructive physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.  I don't need to be around it as least as I can.  Judging does no good and is a waste of time.  Keen observation which psychedelics provide in my life is a doorway through it.



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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Barnaby]
    #27044194 - 11/17/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience I've found set to be slightly more important than setting,however,as others have said tripping with the wrong people is a recipe for disaster. Because their mindset can affect your trip alot. For me set is divided into two categories long term and short term. Short term is how I feel that day and how I've felt throughout the week. Long term is trickier cuz it basically includes your whole life lol I've had times when I wanted to trip,great short term mindset, but I chose not to because of ongoing personal issues. Bottom line learn meditation. This is an invaluable skill that will help you cultivate the proper mindset. As for setting,even if though I consider set to be the greater factor, setting cannot be understated. Simply exercising common sense will help a long way here. Personally I find nature to be the best setting as most do but I've had many,many mind blowing trips in the comfort of my home as well. I would advise against tripping in crowded places for sure. To many influences


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: EarthwormJim]
    #27044262 - 11/17/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yeah.  On to my DMT trip.  in my apartment.  the people around here.  not the most live and let live.  it is fucking cold.  On with it. no need to overanalyze it.  Give way to fear and worry.  NO.

I find a sense of humor works great in these situations.

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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: wolf8312]
    #27044752 - 11/18/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
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we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




:whathesaid:

Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.






Yeah, sometimes depends if a person is just thinking about the short term (a good/fun trip) or a more therapeutic experience in the long term. Personally think the whole notion of 'good' and 'bad' trips is often a big part of the problem to be honest. People try too hard to avoid the dark side of the experience and their own minds and inevitably end up making it worse.

But tripping with the wrong kind of people is still a very bad idea!




I think the biggest issue is people don't realize what sort of intentions they're setting for a trip (I'd actually take it further and assert most people have a massive unconscious/subconscious disconnect between their thoughts and behaviors anyway, and tripping only turns the contrast up to show you this IF you have the awareness to see/grasp wtf is happening, lol), both good and/or bad, before going in.

There's this sweet spot of detachment, but also intention to not succumb to negativity if it should rear its head.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27045089 - 11/18/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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wolf8312 said:
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Socrateshroom said:
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Loaded Shaman said:
we just assume incorrectly what may or may not be a good or bad setting before we're mid trip and it's too late LOL :sunny:.

I feel this is what creates the never-ending circular question of "Does setting matter?/How important is setting?".




:whathesaid:

Some people say "don't trip when you're depressed or anxious" yet many people have and it was exactly that trip which helped get them out.






Yeah, sometimes depends if a person is just thinking about the short term (a good/fun trip) or a more therapeutic experience in the long term. Personally think the whole notion of 'good' and 'bad' trips is often a big part of the problem to be honest. People try too hard to avoid the dark side of the experience and their own minds and inevitably end up making it worse.

But tripping with the wrong kind of people is still a very bad idea!




I think the biggest issue is people don't realize what sort of intentions they're setting for a trip (I'd actually take it further and assert most people have a massive unconscious/subconscious disconnect between their thoughts and behaviors anyway, and tripping only turns the contrast up to show you this IF you have the awareness to see/grasp wtf is happening, lol), both good and/or bad, before going in.

There's this sweet spot of detachment, but also intention to not succumb to negativity if it should rear its head.




A genuine intention that will not be obliterated on first contact is of immense importance in my experience. It's one reason I'm always a little wary when I see people who seem to be expending too much energy thinking how to make things perfect (and avoid a bad trip) or when their intention seems to be purely focused upon fun or having a good time.

Maybe some people can get away with that (especially early on when the need for an intention is less apparent) and more power to them, but personally (especially with canabis) my mind has a habit of pushing in the exact opposite direction of whichever I consciously attempt to impose upon it! It was only by letting go of even trying to control or direct the experience for better or worse, that I began to understand what you yourself refered to as a sweet spot of detachment.

To be honest I think the only true intention I ever developed that actually guided and helped me when (bad) tripping, and that was not contaminated by ego, was to face my fears and become less cowardly.

It's not enough just to make up an intention before hand because you've been told, or seen on the shroomery that that is what you are supposed to do! If one doesn't actually believe in the intention on a deeper subconcious level then it will not only be useless, but counterproductive!

There is little worse than getting stuck in a seriously bad trip with no genuine good reason for being there other than that tripping and psychedelics is just who you are, and how one defines himself! Had plenty of those why trips in my time!


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    #27045228 - 11/18/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

when we are disconnected is when we need to trip most badly.
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...most people have a massive unconscious/subconscious disconnect between their thoughts and behaviors anyway...




A lot of what we experience is in between what we think of as a decent part of our life and what we avoid or discard as crazy, erroneous, noisy, brutish, broken, dirty, etc. but still engages our minds until we are distracted by what seems more agreeable, which we latch onto.

After latching onto that which is good enough for social media we become disconnected from the in-between stuff that is 90% or more of our day. This is what is meant by the massive disconnect, the habit of scrubbing our lives of grime and crumbs, hair, pimples, pus, piss, poop, phlegm, meanness, greed, violence, etc. as well as the bulk of our inner child's reactions to all of that.  Basically lack of awareness, and lack of honesty about what is and is not happening in our lives.

Mind set is all about attitude and habits, not so much about feeling depressed which is feelings or mood. Also Mind set is constrained by anything chronic with medical overtones which is a different kettle of fish.

Attitude or habits can steer you into rough water, but medical conditions are rough water, while feelings and mood are natural in-between realities that can bloom into insights with psychedelics.


Please do think about mind set and its myriad impacts, but do not get bogged down in obsessing about it.

Try to see that your attitude is the driving mode that will color the trip way more than mood or feelings.

separately, if you have medicalized psychological issues, those conditions can be an overriding mind set, requiring that your setting be medically compliant - i.e. paid for professionals should be involved.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27046645 - 11/19/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A genuine intention that will not be obliterated on first contact is of immense importance in my experience. It's one reason I'm always a little wary when I see people who seem to be expending too much energy thinking how to make things perfect (and avoid a bad trip) or when their intention seems to be purely focused upon fun or having a good time.

Maybe some people can get away with that (especially early on when the need for an intention is less apparent) and more power to them, but personally (especially with canabis) my mind has a habit of pushing in the exact opposite direction of whichever I consciously attempt to impose upon it! It was only by letting go of even trying to control or direct the experience for better or worse, that I began to understand what you yourself refered to as a sweet spot of detachment.

To be honest I think the only true intention I ever developed that actually guided and helped me when (bad) tripping, and that was not contaminated by ego, was to face my fears and become less cowardly.

It's not enough just to make up an intention before hand because you've been told, or seen on the shroomery that that is what you are supposed to do! If one doesn't actually believe in the intention on a deeper subconscious level then it will not only be useless, but counterproductive!

There is little worse than getting stuck in a seriously bad trip with no genuine good reason for being there other than that tripping and psychedelics is just who you are, and how one defines himself! Had plenty of those why trips in my time!




Great post and you nailed it in the bolded part there. That's the real Law of Attraction; actual subconscious understanding and integration of intention as a function OF your consciousness - NOT as a preconceived notion based entirely in external concepts that have no integration with your consciousness.

Pretentious way of saying "Most people fuck this up", lol.

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A lot of what we experience is in between what we think of as a decent part of our life and what we avoid or discard as crazy, erroneous, noisy, brutish, broken, dirty, etc. but still engages our minds until we are distracted by what seems more agreeable, which we latch onto.

After latching onto that which is good enough for social media we become disconnected from the in-between stuff that is 90% or more of our day. This is what is meant by the massive disconnect, the habit of scrubbing our lives of grime and crumbs, hair, pimples, pus, piss, poop, phlegm, meanness, greed, violence, etc. as well as the bulk of our inner child's reactions to all of that.  Basically lack of awareness, and lack of honesty about what is and is not happening in our lives.

Mind set is all about attitude and habits, not so much about feeling depressed which is feelings or mood. Also Mind set is constrained by anything chronic with medical overtones which is a different kettle of fish.

Attitude or habits can steer you into rough water, but medical conditions are rough water, while feelings and mood are natural in-between realities that can bloom into insights with psychedelics.


Please do think about mind set and its myriad impacts, but do not get bogged down in obsessing about it.

Try to see that your attitude is the driving mode that will color the trip way more than mood or feelings.

separately, if you have medicalized psychological issues, those conditions can be an overriding mind set, requiring that your setting be medically compliant - i.e. paid for professionals should be involved.




Great insights as always, redgreenvines!


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27046714 - 11/19/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

cool

the best psychedelic for that is lsd in my opinion

then shrooms


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    #27046920 - 11/19/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

To me set & setting is the most important thing because of the massive doses I take that melt my face off.I feel as the dose goes up the setting gets more important. A small dose you could do anywhere & control, a 10g dose you better be in your room with everything set because you can't even function to un-pause the music (it was a quiet trip that time). Mentally I have to be in a good mood & not tired or I will wait for another day. As some people have said they trip when depressed & it helps which I can believe. I just don't like the negativity in my head & don't want to take a chance on a high dose trip.


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    #27047199 - 11/19/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Set - overrated. Tripping solves problems, why not trip when something's bugging you? That just seems like being too scared to reap the full benefits

Setting - single most important factor in a trip (besides dosage). Your environment will dictate a very large amount of what you experience. Tripping around people who you don't know (and who are not tripping) can seriously ruin a trip. Other scary things too, obviously


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #27048235 - 11/20/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Set - overrated. Tripping solves problems, why not trip when something's bugging you? That just seems like being too scared to reap the full benefits

Setting - single most important factor in a trip (besides dosage). Your environment will dictate a very large amount of what you experience. Tripping around people who you don't know (and who are not tripping) can seriously ruin a trip. Other scary things too, obviously




Your first point sounds like an oversimplification, while your second point appears to also contradict your first...?

So don't worry about who's around, but also people that you don't know could ruin your trip...?


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27048364 - 11/20/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

self discovery is a good mindset/attitude.
rarely, but sometimes, self discovery can happen at a party, but at that point it may feel like a tv game show too.

what is it with tv game shows?


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    #27048381 - 11/20/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'd agree any positive attitude is the way to go about it. You can remain detached from outcome/expectation and still be positive. In fact, that's usually what gets you through.

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    #27048429 - 11/20/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wheel of Fortune & The Tonight Show....maybe StarTrek.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27048719 - 11/20/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd agree any positive attitude is the way to go about it. You can remain detached from outcome/expectation and still be positive. In fact, that's usually what gets you through.

What TV game shows are we speaking of?





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    #27048837 - 11/20/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

haha time with japanese game show
but what about the people in it?
do they really have to bite the shoe?


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    #27048874 - 11/20/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dose is an important factor when it comes to set and setting. With low doses, set and setting are less of a concern than with high doses.

In my opinion, setting is more important than set. You are vulnerable when tripping (especially with higher doses), and being safe should be a priority. There are any number of serious problems that can occur if you choose the wrong setting.

And setting is probably the one thing you have the most control over when it comes to the psychedelic experience; you can choose where you are going to trip, whether you are going to trip indoors or outdoors, alone or with others, and what types of activities (music, movies, hiking, etc.) that you want to engage in. You have much less control when it comes to set.


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    #27048954 - 11/20/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

My biggest concern with set and setting are the people that are going to be around me while I'm tripping whether I am doing an outdoor trip or if I'm tripping inside my house with my roommate sleeping at night. The people who are around you during a trip can make or break your trip. Some people are just fucking annoying or negative and you don't even realize how fucking annoying or negative they are until you are on a psychedelic near them.

I will give an example of two separate 60 microgram trips on LSD (both from the same batch of lsd), one with a good set and setting and the other with an unplanned set and setting.

So it was about 6pm when I decided to try a low dose of 60ug. My roommate was still awake. He doesn't know I do drugs so I figured 60 would be low enough if I needed to have a conversation with him about anything. I'm an unofficial live-in caretaker for this 83 year old man. About 2 hours into the dose my roommate asks me if I want to ride in the car with him to the grocery store real quick. I figured I needed to grab a couple groceries so I said sure. BAD MISTAKE!!! Getting to the store was no problem. I grabbed the items I needed and we went back to the car. Here is where things get shitty. My roommate is fucking stupid. While he was trying to reverse his car he was asking me if he was "clear" I said I don't know just look in your reverse camera, there's nobody coming. I forget what else he asked me but I got so much anxiety I got to the point where I just fucking yelled out, "What is so fucking difficult about reversing a goddamn car just fucking go already there's nobody walking behind you!!" I was literally a split second away from getting the fuck out of the car and telling him that I'm going to fucking walk home to get the fuck away from him. I decided to keep my cool and stay in the car and just do some slow deep breathing and just try to ignore him. he kept fucking talking on the drive home and he was really fucking pissing me off and giving me anxiety. From that point forward I vowed never ever ever to go in a car with him no matter if I'm sober or not. Fuck that mess. When I got home my mind was filled with anxiety. I went to my bedroom and I just simply laid in my bed trying to calm my mind down for the next 15 to 20 minutes or so. Emotionally I felt like I was just about to have a hypomanic episode or some sort of anxiety episode. It really took a lot out of me to calm my mind down. Once I had calmed down I enjoyed the rest of the trip.

Now let me explain about a trip that was also 60 micrograms from the same batch of LSD where everything was perfect. I made sure to dose AFTER my roommate went to sleep for the night. Even though lsd is a stimulant, I felt extremely relaxed mentally and emotionally. It was actually one of my most favorite trips. I don't really need to give any details about this trip but my mind was at complete ease.

This is why set and setting is so important. It literally makes or breaks your trip. The difference with set and setting is having a nightmare of a trip versus having one of the most beautiful trips ever.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: jgotti]
    #27048973 - 11/20/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Dose is an important factor when it comes to set and setting. With low doses, set and setting are less of a concern than with high doses.

In my opinion, setting is more important than set. You are vulnerable when tripping (especially with higher doses), and being safe should be a priority. There are any number of serious problems that can occur if you choose the wrong setting.

And setting is probably the one thing you have the most control over when it comes to the psychedelic experience; you can choose where you are going to trip, whether you are going to trip indoors or outdoors, alone or with others, and what types of activities (music, movies, hiking, etc.) that you want to engage in. You have much less control when it comes to set.



Dose has nothing to do with whether or not you'll have a good trip. Just read my previous response. A lower dose will be easier to work with but it still does not mean that you will not have a bad experience. Unless one is doing a microdose, set and setting still needs to be paid attention to.


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    #27049038 - 11/20/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Dose has nothing to do with whether or not you'll have a good trip.




I never said it did. I am not talking about the trip itself, which cannot predicted ahead of time. I am referring to set and setting only. These are things that you have some amount of control over. Setting, for example, becomes much more of a priority with high doses. Why? Because, on average, high dose trips will intoxicate you to a much greater degree.


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    #27049095 - 11/20/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't trying to argue with you but you did say low doses are less of a concern for set and setting which is not true.


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    #27049341 - 11/20/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its not, NOT true.

Its a perspective thing. Some people go out and do just fine at concerts or what ever while on low doses. Knowing you wont be log jammed in your mind can give you freedom to move about just fine.


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    #27049466 - 11/20/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I will admit, if I were to go to a public venue like a concert or rave or something, I would do a sub 100 microgram trip. You are still grounded in reality with the smaller trips but that still doesn't mean that somebody might give you some anxiety or something that happened in my situation a few posts above.


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    #27049768 - 11/21/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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My biggest concern with set and setting are the people that are going to be around me while I'm tripping whether I am doing an outdoor trip or if I'm tripping inside my house with my roommate sleeping at night. The people who are around you during a trip can make or break your trip. Some people are just fucking annoying or negative and you don't even realize how fucking annoying or negative they are until you are on a psychedelic near them.

I will give an example of two separate 60 microgram trips on LSD (both from the same batch of lsd), one with a good set and setting and the other with an unplanned set and setting.

So it was about 6pm when I decided to try a low dose of 60ug. My roommate was still awake. He doesn't know I do drugs so I figured 60 would be low enough if I needed to have a conversation with him about anything. I'm an unofficial live-in caretaker for this 83 year old man. About 2 hours into the dose my roommate asks me if I want to ride in the car with him to the grocery store real quick. I figured I needed to grab a couple groceries so I said sure. BAD MISTAKE!!! Getting to the store was no problem. I grabbed the items I needed and we went back to the car. Here is where things get shitty. My roommate is fucking stupid. While he was trying to reverse his car he was asking me if he was "clear" I said I don't know just look in your reverse camera, there's nobody coming. I forget what else he asked me but I got so much anxiety I got to the point where I just fucking yelled out, "What is so fucking difficult about reversing a goddamn car just fucking go already there's nobody walking behind you!!" I was literally a split second away from getting the fuck out of the car and telling him that I'm going to fucking walk home to get the fuck away from him. I decided to keep my cool and stay in the car and just do some slow deep breathing and just try to ignore him. he kept fucking talking on the drive home and he was really fucking pissing me off and giving me anxiety. From that point forward I vowed never ever ever to go in a car with him no matter if I'm sober or not. Fuck that mess. When I got home my mind was filled with anxiety. I went to my bedroom and I just simply laid in my bed trying to calm my mind down for the next 15 to 20 minutes or so. Emotionally I felt like I was just about to have a hypomanic episode or some sort of anxiety episode. It really took a lot out of me to calm my mind down. Once I had calmed down I enjoyed the rest of the trip.

Now let me explain about a trip that was also 60 micrograms from the same batch of LSD where everything was perfect. I made sure to dose AFTER my roommate went to sleep for the night. Even though lsd is a stimulant, I felt extremely relaxed mentally and emotionally. It was actually one of my most favorite trips. I don't really need to give any details about this trip but my mind was at complete ease.

This is why set and setting is so important. It literally makes or breaks your trip. The difference with set and setting is having a nightmare of a trip versus having one of the most beautiful trips ever.




Great post! 100% agreed on some people totally fucking it up. You don't even need to be tripping; life itself is a type of trip and people still suck LOL. It's the small talk BS that drives  me up the wall. I can't stand that shit!


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I'd agree any positive attitude is the way to go about it. You can remain detached from outcome/expectation and still be positive. In fact, that's usually what gets you through.

What TV game shows are we speaking of?








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    #27050570 - 11/21/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

For sure dose is an important consideration with set and setting. It's a more private and personal experience with big doses as well. Adding a guest introduces another uncontrolled variable to a big trip (may be good or bad).

When going for big trips and doses, I now spend a lot of time preparing the set up and setting. Prepare with care, plan for various contingencies and take a ride with everything set up to easily and quickly accommodate oneself (e.g., food, drink, audio, video, lighting, temperature, blankets. On a big trip, simply switching music can become very challenging :psychsplit:, so I even preload a bunch of options. I would only do big trips among a few of my best friends (who would join in and and likely match me). I find at high doses guests don't matter a lot to me... as about half the trip, two hours or so, will have minimal-to-non-existent communication. The experience slowly builds to a peak, while also narrowing over that time to a more and more inward focus.

Lower dose trips are much more manageable and one can be flexible with the set and setting. E.g., outdoors, social settings, groups and strangers, etc.

I just took my biggest trip ever yesterday and the set and setting was super important (I posted details about the trip in this subforum), mushroom tea with 3.5 grams Albino Penis Envy. The tea was lemon tek'd for maximum potency and 45 minutes after taking the tea, I vaped a strong sativa cannabis (Acapulco Gold). It was impressive. Pretty crazy trip at times. Still processing.


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Re: How important is set and setting? [Re: alpha-omega]
    #27051400 - 11/22/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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For sure dose is an important consideration with set and setting. It's a more private and personal experience with big doses as well. Adding a guest introduces another uncontrolled variable to a big trip (may be good or bad).

When going for big trips and doses, I now spend a lot of time preparing the set up and setting. Prepare with care, plan for various contingencies and take a ride with everything set up to easily and quickly accommodate oneself (e.g., food, drink, audio, video, lighting, temperature, blankets. On a big trip, simply switching music can become very challenging :psychsplit:, so I even preload a bunch of options. I would only do big trips among a few of my best friends (who would join in and and likely match me). I find at high doses guests don't matter a lot to me... as about half the trip, two hours or so) will be  where communication is minimal to non-existent... with the experience slowly building to a peak, consistent with a narrowed, more inward focus.

Lower dose trips are much more manageable and one can be flexible with the set and setting. E.g., outdoors, social settings, groups and strangers, etc.

I just took my biggest trip ever yesterday and the set and setting was super important (I posted details about the trip in this subforum), mushroom tea with 3.5 grams Albino Penis Envy. The tea was lemon tek'd for maximum potency and 45 minutes after taking the tea, I vaped a strong sativa cannabis (Acapulco Gold). It was impressive. Pretty crazy trip at times. Still processing.




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