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Re: When is it logical to love? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27021123 - 11/04/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone is different (-ly deficite) for love (for love) and a tad inadequate therefore (not purrfect). Our common goal should be to satisfy this deficite which is caused by our differentness. I would love to fight, with (for) my inadequacies. Before they teach AI how to feel different  and in deficite for something else than love.


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Re: When is it logical to love? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27024087 - 11/05/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am NOT a reductionist. I recognize All Quadrants All Levels as I learned from human developmentalist Ken Wilber. All vectors contribute to any phenomenon in the human condition.



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Re: When is it logical to love? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #27024116 - 11/05/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Love is reason in its purest form.
One should love at all times.


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Re: When is it logical to love? [Re: kneesocks] * 1
    #27024287 - 11/06/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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kneesocks said:
Love is reason in its purest form.
One should love at all times.




Loving at all times is a moral imperative and does not constitute the function of mind we call reason. It may be considered reasonable to love if and only if one assumes the gravitas of a religious commandment to love or if one prioritizes the ontological state of love as fundamental to one's life, as in the Buddhist prerequisite to contemplate metta before engaging in meditation. Reason is a logical process which is evaluative. Reason in turn may depend on certain prerequisite assumptions such as the law of parsimony, or Occum's Razor which is often explained as "the simplest explanation is most likely the right one." Love is attributed to will, theologically speaking, which is prior to intellection including reason. Love is therefore not merely a matter of emotion, affect. While emotions are non-rational, the decision to love as an act or to be in a state of love may be considered by transpersonal psychologists or by those with a spiritual or religious stance as being trans-rational, that is, a decision drawing on transpersonal or transcendental influences.

Just how committed or convinced one is of the ontological value of love determines a great deal of behaviors. I witnessed my parents sacrifice their own pleasures for their children for example. My undergrad education was paid for but my mom never did get a trip to Hawaii, for example. I am certain that I never met their expectations so I have some unresolved guilt which needs to be resolved right now. My decision cost me any inheritance I would've received. Manipulating our parents, my only sibling struck a deal to pay their mortgage if they signed their condo over to him. He could've sold the property and reclaimed his payments along with half the profit but he chose to keep it all for himself thereby cheating me out of much needed funds the year my mom died, I had just survived cancer and I bought my first house. Philias, brotherly love, is entirely absent between my sibling and myself but this extends back decades.

My folks would've much preferred a couple of grandchildren from me than my choice to work on myself to become more compassionate and go into a low-paying helping profession to aid other people's children as a crisis counselor. I had to be true to myself rather than live my life in an emotionally obligatory way. My only sibling tried to guilt me into becoming a father because that was the path he chose. My commitment to storge, familial love between children and parents was less than my commitment to the agapé my faith informed me of. Since I never had a desire of my own for parenthood my choice was ethically superior than becoming a parent out of socio-biological and psychological influences. Being disinherited and cheated by one's only sibling causes one to re-evaluate just how one continues to love. While Philautia, self-love sounds selfish it does not have to be so. It is not unhealthy to treat oneself compassionately when others have failed to do so. My sibling had already rejected me years before the inheritance event and so I have no intention of having anything to do with him again out of care for my own well-being. Subjecting oneself to a chronically contemptuous and toxic being regardless of biological connections is pathologically masochistic. I have been, by his own admission, generous when gifting his children, my niece and nephew instead of subjecting myself to further abuse by contact with him. One needs to practice some Philautia in order to maintain healthy self-esteem. It would be great to have a sibling who was also my brother, but that ship sailed long ago when he showed his true colors and rejected me the first and only time I ever reached out to him for some emotional support at my divorce. "I don't want to get involved in your personal problems" he said.

Now forgiveness is important for healing, but when a perpetrator of a 'sin' does not admit he is wrong or think he needs forgiveness an impasse is reached. I was shown more love my my BFF and by compassionate strangers at that time than from my biological sibling and so I learned more about the teachings of Jesus through that regarding 'who IS my brother?'

I used to hang with a former colleague who wore a Christian cross around his neck but he was fairly paranoid and never left home without 2-3 guns on his person. He was known to brandish a weapon in public and he'd tell me about these incidents over time. When I pointed out the inconsistency or hypocrisy, it was obviously not well-received. :lol: How committed is one to loving people in a Christian sense if one is 2-3 times more likely to shoot them? I once 'love-bombed' a threatening street person when I was tripping my face off following a Jefferson Starship concert in NYC's Central Park. The greasy, unwashed derelict with the threatening  pipe wrench in hand looked like he'd seen the Devil when I asked him to stop touching my lady friend's long blond hair but to just hang around with us for a while. He stammered something out about something he had to do and ran away from us. I was being sincere or he never would've been staggered by it. I saw the power of love that day come through me to my own surprise and relief of all of us.

It is difficult for many people to understand that they are no less deserving of love than anyone else. Certainly not more so, but decidedly not less. This has nothing to do with narcissism let alone malignant narcissism the likes of which I have never seen exceeded than in the person of Donald Trump. This is self-love expanded at the expense of everyone the man has ever deceived and/or ripped off. Malignant narcissism means the co-morbid condition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder as well as Antisocial Personality Disorder. Trump is therefore a narcissist as well as a sociopath. He is incapable of love in any of these forms save perhaps Eros, but only in a sexual sense not its spiritual sense of yearning for a transcendental object. I mention this only in diametrical opposition to any sense of the word love.


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Re: When is it logical to love? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #27024312 - 11/06/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

In a way, pure reason will always express itself in right action and right relations, and that manifests as what love is in our world. That's why I treat pure love as a quality or effect of pure reason.
I agree love goes beyond emotions, its origin is in the divine.


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Re: When is it logical to love? [Re: kneesocks]
    #27024407 - 11/06/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I asked for permission to comment my spiritual session within galaxies, here, on shroomery instance. Do you "remember" this session of reduction? IMHO correct reduction is very great way to perform legal chemistry adventure with your world. No harm was done, I hope. I am deathmetaler. I play harmonic distortion. I am part of putridness. I wish not to fight pointlessly. So I demonstrate my knowledge to spirits I meet. I never know if they are dwelling or awake, on a purpose. To maintain relationships with duality. To perform better. I work hard, I get no results. But them results speak, when they come. You wish to see me? I bet so not. To love better I chose to fight corruption. I am not an angel of bliss. Cause ignorance is a bliss.


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Re: When is it logical to love? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #27039998 - 11/15/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus Christ your insight and academic knowledge is mesmerizing. I don't really understand most of that but I'm foreign, still I know you're on point in these regards.

Big up, Markos! :heart:


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