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OfflineTheHumanist
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Possible Allenii - ID Request
    #27039050 - 11/14/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Habitat:
San Francisco, CA. Wood Chips in a daily maintained public area. I've found flushes of Allenii in this exact spot in years past, so I check it regularly after rain.

Stem:
Chalky white. Woodlike.

Cap:
Mature ones are about the width of a half dollar.

Bruising:
Blue

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So, There weren't many mature mushies, but I don't live close to where I found them, so I picked them all with the hopes that I can use the little guys to begin growing @ home.

Here's my situation: Assuming these are active, I'm curious if the little guys throughout the chips/soil (picture included) can be replanted in the planter shown in the other picture (along with my pack of soil & wood chips).

If this is possible, please let me know. The weather is ideal mushie grow weather.

Any and all help is appreciated. Thank you in advance!









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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: TheHumanist]
    #27039139 - 11/14/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes those are them.  To make yourself a patch, you'd most likely need to make a jar to cultivate that mycelium in a good envrionemnt so it grows rapidly.  Thats probably not enough mycelium to get a patch going this year.  Maybe enough to start something and in a year or so of proper maintenance would start fruiting more and more each year.

You need alder wood chips, and other stuff to make the bed proper.  There are good teks on this forum for it just look in the cultivation threads.


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27039167 - 11/14/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
Yes those are them.  To make yourself a patch, you'd most likely need to make a jar to cultivate that mycelium in a good envrionemnt so it grows rapidly.  Thats probably not enough mycelium to get a patch going this year.  Maybe enough to start something and in a year or so of proper maintenance would start fruiting more and more each year.

You need alder wood chips, and other stuff to make the bed proper.  There are good teks on this forum for it just look in the cultivation threads.




:whathesaid:

although if you don't wanna spend too much time/energy on your "project" here are some thoughts for food:

Bark will not work, you want chips. The bark of the trees is the first line of their defense, loaded with antifungal, antibacterial compounds. I know someone who had great success with just the Vigoro brand brown chips (~3-4 inches thick layer) and about a dozen of stem butts that were placed under the chips in the winter. By next fall they were fruiting. (January-November) It's important that your bed is in an area that is mostly or even fully shaded especially during the high sun of the summer months: north side of a building, under shrubs/tree.


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: ZenZone]
    #27039192 - 11/14/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe you should share your finds in this thread too:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27015814/fpart/2#27015814

:yesnod:


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: ZenZone]
    #27039265 - 11/14/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is all great advice. I've got well over a dozen little guys.

1.) Testing for understanding, here: Do I take a dozen (or so) of the tiny ones, break them off toward the bottom of the stem, and then put those stems under the wood chips that I put in the planter?

2.) Follow-up question: I won't be able to get wood chips until tomorrow -- how do I preserve the quality of the little guys overnight so there's a maximum likelihood of future growth?


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: TheHumanist]
    #27039279 - 11/14/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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TheHumanist said:
This is all great advice. I've got well over a dozen little guys.

1.) Testing for understanding, here: Do I take a dozen (or so) of the tiny ones, break them off toward the bottom of the stem, and then put those stems under the wood chips that I put in the planter?

2.) Follow-up question: I won't be able to get wood chips until tomorrow -- how do I preserve the quality of the little guys overnight so there's a maximum likelihood of future growth?




1: Yes, or as many as you got plus the myceliated chips too!
2: They will be fine in a paper bag in the fridge for days


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: ZenZone]
    #27039350 - 11/14/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice find. Yeah to start a patch just mix those colonized chips with potting soil and hydrated hardwood chips (alder, mesquite, hickory, whatever -- as long as it's hardwood it's fine). To hydrate the new chips, just boil them in water for ~2 hours until they sink. The potting soil helps retains moisture, fills in gaps between the chips, and provides a good source of phosphorous, nitrogen, etc.


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: ZenZone]
    #27042404 - 11/16/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ZenZone said:
Quote:

Typerwritermonky said:
Yes those are them.  To make yourself a patch, you'd most likely need to make a jar to cultivate that mycelium in a good envrionemnt so it grows rapidly.  Thats probably not enough mycelium to get a patch going this year.  Maybe enough to start something and in a year or so of proper maintenance would start fruiting more and more each year.

You need alder wood chips, and other stuff to make the bed proper.  There are good teks on this forum for it just look in the cultivation threads.




:whathesaid:

although if you don't wanna spend too much time/energy on your "project" here are some thoughts for food:

Bark will not work, you want chips. The bark of the trees is the first line of their defense, loaded with antifungal, antibacterial compounds. I know someone who had great success with just the Vigoro brand brown chips (~3-4 inches thick layer) and about a dozen of stem butts that were placed under the chips in the winter. By next fall they were fruiting. (January-November) It's important that your bed is in an area that is mostly or even fully shaded especially during the high sun of the summer months: north side of a building, under shrubs/tree.




1.) Is this the specific kind of wood chips you're referencing?

Vigoro Brown Wood Mulch

2.) RE: jarring the Mycelium, do I still need to do this if I have about 25 stem butts mixed around in the mycelium chips from the harvest? Or can I just hydrate the chips, and then plant everything together with the butts/myc chips a few inches below the surface?


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: TheHumanist]
    #27042441 - 11/16/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

1. Yes, that one, although I actually think the color doesn't matter, but yeah that's the one I was referring to.
2. It depends who you ask. Some people really know what they are doing and making proper beds. Some people just stuff them stem butts under chips right out of the bag, water the bed and let it be. Both ways (and many more in between) have their advantages and disadvantages I'm sure. The person I was talking about went the careless, sloppy easy route. Didn't even "hydrate" the chips, only watered them daily in the winter/spring. So, you know, it all depends how much energy/time you want to spend on it. (Another thing: if you don't have stem butts or spores, some myceliated chips work too, you just have to be sure it's the "right" mycelium)


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: ZenZone]
    #27042464 - 11/16/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



Mycelium jumping from old, dry chip to brand new out of the bag chip (the old chip with mycelium on it was BONE DRY at the time of the placement)

Read this thread if you're interested in learning about the proper ways: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24673753


Edited by ZenZone (11/16/20 04:06 PM)


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: ZenZone]
    #27042854 - 11/16/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

^ Thanks for that thread Zen. Great resource.

OP, you'll be amazed at how tenacious allenii and cyans are. Just give them wood, soil, and water and they'll be just fine.

I've had colonized chips dry out. After giving them some water the myc will jump to fresh chips or cardboard within a couple weeks. It seems like mycelium can exist in dormancy for a long time.


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Re: Possible Allenii - ID Request [Re: breeg89]
    #27043002 - 11/16/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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breeg89 said:
^ Thanks for that thread Zen. Great resource.



No problem  :toast:


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