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    #27038211 - 11/14/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I know there has been a thread on this before, but it deserves another mention. There is a breathing technique gaining popularity called Wim Hof breathing. Essentially all it is is intentional, extreme hyperventilation, followed by a lengthy breath hold.



During the breath hold, the physical sensation feels nearly identical to the one you get from doing air duster. If you're not physically struggling to continue taking breaths by breath 20-25, you're not hyperventilating strongly enough.

This is actually a great way to get a taste of what it feels like to have COVID as well, in terms of "feeling" how hard work of breathing can actually be.

Unlike using air duster, Wim Hof breathing is "supposed to be" healthy. I can't vouch for whether it's healthy or not, but I can say it's definitely calming.

I would personally not recommend doing this in water- at least not by yourself. People have fainted and drowned before.

Also if you have COPD this might make it worse rather than better so tread lightly.


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: morrowasted]
    #27038228 - 11/14/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

hyperventilation is not healthy, imo
unless you're currently experiencing severe blood loss you don't want to breathe too much, in general
you require a certain amount of CO2 for oxygen to perfuse your arterial cells
CO2 is a vasodilator (hence the blood loss comment), nerve stabilizer and muscle relaxant


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: yeah]
    #27038236 - 11/14/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The dose makes the poison.

Things that are "bad" for you can have positive effects in small doses (hormesis).

Again, I'm not "totally convinced" of the supposed health benefits associated with this method, but it does sound promising to me, and there is no denying the simultaneous increase in alertness and calm when you are finished. For people with anxiety, I can't see how this could be any worse than other commonly used modern methods for controlling it.


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: morrowasted]
    #27038240 - 11/14/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

with CO2 it isn't even hormesis were just lied to about it being "waste" gas


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: yeah]
    #27038242 - 11/14/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My personal experience: i smoked for like 12 years so I have some lingering breathing trouble. Essentially what this does for me is shock my hypothalamus into forcing me to be able to take a very deep breath (after the breath hold). this opens up my airways really effectively for an extended period of time. I also feel, like I said, both more awake and more calm afterwards. It's short-lived, but interesting that such a profound effect can be achieved merely by breathing in an intentional way.

I realize that CO2 has a physiological role- that doesn't necessarily mean you can't take advantage of the way it works to elicit a desired effect.


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #27038280 - 11/14/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think everyone goes through that point where they think wim hof is interesting


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: yeah] * 1
    #27038289 - 11/14/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

yeah said:
hyperventilation is not healthy, imo
unless you're currently experiencing severe blood loss you don't want to breathe too much, in general
you require a certain amount of CO2 for oxygen to perfuse your arterial cells
CO2 is a vasodilator (hence the blood loss comment), nerve stabilizer and muscle relaxant




I'm going with you here. We used to do this in High School, and I don't think it's too healthy either.


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27038334 - 11/14/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am using wim hof breathing as a pain killer for my broken bones. Not to the highest level but just starting the breathing exercises gets the pain under control. Managed to not take a single oxy out of my bottle since left hospital


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #27038347 - 11/14/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, but does it come with cool music videos?



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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27038353 - 11/14/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

is doing air duster that common ?

edit: this is definitely relaxing and physically challenging as well.
I first heard about Wim Hof breathing years ago. Maybe I will start doing this more often


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: trees]
    #27038369 - 11/14/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

trees said:
I am using wim hof breathing as a pain killer for my broken bones. Not to the highest level but just starting the breathing exercises gets the pain under control. Managed to not take a single oxy out of my bottle since left hospital



Good for you
I would prob take em tho, are you scared you’ll lose control and go on a run?
That’s some real willpower not taking an opiate when you’re in real pain and they’re around


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27038376 - 11/14/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Prob too much a hassle sell them to buy heroin. I ran into a similar situation years ago and ended up essentially throwing out a ton of oxy 10s as taking handfuls didn't do anything. :shrug:


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #27038406 - 11/14/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

:lolwut:
Oxycodone is very similar Mg for mg compared to heroin
Heroin is a little stronger; but it’s also damn near impossible to get real #3 or 4 in the NE us.
The “stamp bags” are a tiny bit of fent with a tranq called xylazine; it’s extremely nasty stuff; gave me an infection in my nostril.  The way a coke head would get but it was a true infection that if I hadn’t constantly threw neosporin on it since the beginning of it actually hurting I might have had a deviated septum and needed surgery; don’t do drugs kids.  Make pipes and smoke weed instead!
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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: morrowasted]
    #27038409 - 11/14/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
My personal experience: i smoked for like 12 years so I have some lingering breathing trouble. Essentially what this does for me is shock my hypothalamus into forcing me to be able to take a very deep breath (after the breath hold). this opens up my airways really effectively for an extended period of time. I also feel, like I said, both more awake and more calm afterwards. It's short-lived, but interesting that such a profound effect can be achieved merely by breathing in an intentional way.

I realize that CO2 has a physiological role- that doesn't necessarily mean you can't take advantage of the way it works to elicit a desired effect.




CO2 is a straight up nutrient is what I meant to say
The Oxygen Advantage is a good book about it


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: yeah]
    #27038445 - 11/14/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I used to do this thing where I would be sitting down then I would hyperventaliate then stand up and bend my back.

it Felt better than nitrous in a way. never tried duster so I cant compare it to duster. A few times I saw visions ane once I came to and I was like speaking in tounges or something. Like I was hearing some robed occult guy chant but it ended up being me talking. most of the time it wa sjust sort of a headrush kinda thing but if you got a really good one then really weird shit could happen.

I hurt myself a few times doing it though. Hit my face against my wall hard once, knocked over a plant stand and cut myself on a pot. once I did it with a hit of weed in my lungs and just straight up went down in my shed. forgot who I was for a sec when I came back.

I woke up on the floor while holding in nitrous and getting up to do something once too.

I was addicted to doing that breathing thing for quite a while honestly. I wouldnt be surprised if its bad for your brain or circulatory system or something but just the possibility of hurting yourself makes me not recomend it.


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27038637 - 11/14/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

theRealrollforever said:
:lolwut:
Oxycodone is very similar Mg for mg compared to heroin
Heroin is a little stronger; but it’s also damn near impossible to get real #3 or 4 in the NE us.
The “stamp bags” are a tiny bit of fent with a tranq called xylazine; it’s extremely nasty stuff; gave me an infection in my nostril.  The way a coke head would get but it was a true infection that if I hadn’t constantly threw neosporin on it since the beginning of it actually hurting I might have had a deviated septum and needed surgery; don’t do drugs kids.  Make pipes and smoke weed instead!
:awehigh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/filtermag.org/tranq-dope-the-heroin-combo-thats-been-putting-philly-to-sleep/




There are crews around me selling the old #4 again, it’s just pricey. I bought a bag the other day for thanksgiving, it’s my yearly tradition. Most daily users don’t even get well from real H anymore because the fentdope is so potent. Shitty high though IMO, the few times I did fentanyl is was a quick rush then maybe 40 minutes of pure sedation, no euphoria. Made me fiending for it right away which dope never did.

As far as the Wim Hof method, unfortunately the rush feeling goes away after awhile. I did it every day for a month, the first week my limbs would go completely numb and I’d get an awesome rush of euphoria and mental clarity. After a couple weeks it was mostly just relaxing. My body definitely gained a tolerance to the CO2 and I was able to hold my breath much longer without the panic response, not sure the benefits but it was cool seeing the breath holds get progressively longer.

I have prostatitis and it helps a ton. Once I stopped doing it daily, my symptoms have started coming back. I do it like once a week now but I’m going to increase it. It’s only 10 minutes so any physiological changes won’t really be harmful, there are a few studies that measure everything from O2 and CO2 levels while doing it as well as inflammatory proteins, cortisol and other immune responses, interesting stuff.


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Re: You can induce an air-duster like experience and reduce anxiety without using any drugs [Re: feevers]
    #27039040 - 11/14/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I was really unimpressed by fentanyl in the hospital. Requested it repeatedly IV until my vision swirled and started heaving to throw up. Could still feel what seemed like all of the pain


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