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How common is HPPD? * 1
    #27037931 - 11/13/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I only ask because I’ve been using LSD a little too heavy the past two years, have slowed down since (I just really like LSD,) and worry about my vision sometimes. I don’t take heavy doses, but hear people say they got vision issues from tripping too much.

I also am done with getting drug tested in one month so I’ll be smoking weed quite often, and using it in conjunction with LSD. I won’t be using LSD too often but still am curious. Thanks!


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27037950 - 11/13/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What is heavy usage to you? The most I remember doing is about once a week for a year give or take, but I never took more than 1 or 2 hits. I've only done 3 hits twice. I can't fathom more than that for me and probably wouldn't take more than 2 these days.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic] * 1
    #27037961 - 11/13/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I had HPPD for a while. Lasted about 4-5 months. Was very noticeable morning and night, not so much during the day.

It's not fun, but it doesn't feel like the end of the world either.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27038199 - 11/14/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I thought I had HPPD for a while, but the visual changes I was having turned out to be attributable to the SSRI/SNRIs I was taking. As soon as I stopped them, my visual static went away.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: morrowasted]
    #27038256 - 11/14/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have had, still have it to varying degrees for 15 years but it's normal for me. It depends on how fixated on it you become. Relax and dont worry about it, I'd say.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27038269 - 11/14/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've had heavy visual static and experienced other things most commonly associated with HPPD since I was a very young child. Drugs like weed and psychedelics affect it for the duration, but I go back to my baseline when I sober up.  Stimulants seem to increase the static and associated phenomena, though I don't do any stronger than caffeine or nicotine.

Strong emotions have the strongest effect on my visual stuff.  It used to drive me crazy sometimes, but not so much anymore.  When I can relax enough I find it pleasant.

There is much more info online regarding HPPD and similar things compared to 15 years ago; plenty of people who don't use hallucinogens have described either always having it or developing it at some point without an obvious reason to blame.  Some associate it with certain types of mental illness


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: MorphinTime] * 1
    #27038286 - 11/14/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I had HPPD for 9 years, then it went away.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Asante]
    #27038391 - 11/14/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I was taking it once a week and even more often during the national quarantine, just using it as an escape because I can’t smoke weed or anything and was/been struggling to stay sober all the time. I thought I was having symptoms of HPPD but it was from long term kratom use and went away when I stopped taking it so much.

I then started using gabapentin to get off the kratom, but I ended up with a moderate kratom and gabapentin addiction compared to just a heavy kratom addiction... and i was having vision issues from that. It mainly happeneds when I got all stressed out. It was more so visual snow and double vision. Think it’s from the kratom/gabapentin, can’t say 100% sure tho.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27038397 - 11/14/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

My life is entirely hppd; but I’ve smoked dmt literally thousands of times.  I just use the hppd as a creativity boost.  It doesn’t hinder my life in anyway; that’s just when I’m being lazy that my starts to go into a downward spiral.  I think it’s pretty common if you have tripped with any sort of regularity in the past 6 months


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27038408 - 11/14/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I miss having hppd sometimes

It could be you about to pass out or epilepsy so dont get comfertable with it


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27038642 - 11/14/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I don’t think I have HPPD I think it’s from kratom as it went away but who knows. Would you please go into some detail regarding your DMT use? I don’t have any specific questions but just say something about it?

Like the most intense DMT experiences you’ve had? Any negatives? Ever scared yourself? Combos with DMT?

I wonder why it hasn’t went away, cuz you keep smoking it?


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Yokal]
    #27038644 - 11/14/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Boy don’t even get me anxious!!!


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27038709 - 11/14/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've had varying levels of visual disturbances for a very long time. Years where I have taken a lot of psychedelics it has got much stronger. DMT especially makes it much more noticeable. Never has it effected my ability to drive or anything like that. Like tinnitus it is one of those things that if you focus on it all the time it will eat you but if you ignore it it won't really be present.

Ever watched a grainy or old VHS converted film? Right at the start of the film the picture quality is noticeable, but then as the film goes on your brain compensates for it and you don't perceive it anymore, a new normal is established. Even writing this I checked myself for visual noise and tinnitus and sure enough they are there, but 5 minutes ago I wasn't aware and in 5 minutes from now I will adapt around them again.

Some people get HPPD so bad that they cannot drive or write properly anymore. Same with tinnitus, some people have it so bad it's like clanging bells in one or both ears 24/7. These are both super rare conditions, but the publishing of them online, the discussion about them, and the prevalence of Dr Google leads people to stress unnecessarily about their own harmless minor conditions.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Northerner]
    #27038728 - 11/14/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah no i used to have serious hppd after shrooms

Its like noticing things that arent real on top of your vision

LSD u take a small hit and u carry the experience, shrooms hit all at once and effect visual areas of the brain

Again i never normalize this because for 10 percent of people it might be something else

But flickering lights, Rings, waves and like objects made of static noise


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27039220 - 11/14/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't done any psychedelics for over 10 years, and I still have HPPD. Not severe but lines in floor tiles still get all weird and shimmery when I look at the floor. It is mostly apparent in the men's locker room at the gym that I go to. But I'm mostly looking at dong anyway in there.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: robbyberto]
    #27039302 - 11/14/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's all that dick making your eyes go funny man, not the drugs.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Northerner]
    #27039308 - 11/14/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its my estimate that of people who have tripped a bunch of times about one in ten gets HPPD to some extent for some period.

If shrooms had a side effects insert, HPPD would be in the "common" category.

Its usually mild though but it has ruined people lives and drove them o suicide.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Asante]
    #27039316 - 11/14/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think for me it was the dozen or so 20mg 2c-e trips.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: robbyberto]
    #27039320 - 11/14/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

2C-E indeed is quite visual, its the very visual ones that do it more. 2C-I is notorious for it.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27039326 - 11/14/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I had it for a while then it went away. Sobriety clears it up pretty quick.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Asante]
    #27039330 - 11/14/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I bought a gram of 2c-i and 2c-e back in the day.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: robbyberto]
    #27039348 - 11/14/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a fan of the reports I read about 2C-I.. pure unmitigated 2C-E fanboi though :laugh:


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Asante]
    #27039354 - 11/14/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

2c-e was great would love to try again. Wonder if it's still out there.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: robbyberto]
    #27039355 - 11/14/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It is! Cant help you with that but, in europe its still aroiund in some places.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Asante]
    #27039374 - 11/14/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You never told us a story:cryaboutit:


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Asante]
    #27039426 - 11/14/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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2C-E indeed is quite visual, its the very visual ones that do it more. 2C-I is notorious for it.



I also had similar thoughts in times passed. People who have done nbomes too much also report it as a common side effect, and nbomes are an analogue of the 2c family.

DMT gave me shocking HPPD when I was doing it a lot. There were times when I'd be sat there and wonder for a moment whether or not I was about to break through without even smoalking, sudden and strong visuals overtaking my vision. Then within 10 seconds or so it would fade back to "normal" noisy.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Northerner]
    #27039615 - 11/14/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There was a period of time where I did a fair amount of acid. 3-8 hits about every week for 6-7 months. I do think it did something permanently. Now if I get panic attacks, one of the main symptoms is visual snow and sort of purple-electric geometric squares show up in my vision. If I am in a room with the lights off, my white blinds look like pale rainbow. It really only happens when I get panic, not like normal anxiety before going on a first date or giving a presentation.

At the time I mixed it with A LOT of nitrous and alcohol sometimes. I am not sure how much the nitrous influenced or enhanced the LSD to maybe make these symptoms worse.

It's not the worst thing in the world, but I do wish I didn't have it. Last time I took acid was about 8 years ago. I did notice it about 2-3 years ago but didn't think much of it until I moved to a new city and had a series of panic attacks over a couple of months.


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: withoutawire] * 1
    #27040046 - 11/15/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As long as I'm not surrounded by people offering lots of distractions I can pretty much zone out and consciously influence the nature of the visual disturbances to my liking if I'm on the verge of some sort of anxiety attack.  I don't have as much success with true panic attacks because they happen so fast, but as the intensity ebs I can regain control over the insane visuals that pretty much distract me from actual sensory input from the physical world around me.

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It's a similar feeling and state of mind to when I have sleep paralysis and intentionally break out of that and enter a lucid dream state


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    #27046745 - 11/19/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i kind of suspect that at least some of HPPD isn't due to drug use at all, but is simply natural phenomena - visual tinnitus if you will, something people normally filter out, but if you pay attention or if it's brought to your attention (such as via psychedelics or other drugs) it can suddenly become obvious, or even impossible to ignore sometimes.

i say this because well before i ever took psychedelics, as a kid, i would often stare at the ceiling of my room and see faces or other images in the textured pattern there out of boredom. or, after drawing inspiration from a book about a lady with a house where everything was upside down (the roof was the floor and so on) i would try imagining that the floor was now the ceiling and i was now lying upside down - with enough practice i would actually start to perceive it, even almost feel like gravity was pulling me up. and i've always seeing visual "snow", almost like the static on your tv, but much fainter, when i wanted to - invisible until i try to see the air in front of me, then it's obvious.

on occasion, i've also seen tiny dots of colored lights floating in the air, usually sky blue, though rarely other colors like yellow or green, moving like fireflies for half a second before vanishing, generally in the corner of my eye. theyre as tiny as a pinprick, and they alternate between bright and pitch black at really fast speed, like strobe lights.  they only last for a moment before vanishing, and are extremely rare though. no clue what kind of visual phenomena they are - i mainly saw them when i was younger, and rarely see them nowadays.

one doesn't need psychedelics to see the world in an unusual perspective, that's for sure.


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    #27048136 - 11/19/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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i kind of suspect that at least some of HPPD isn't due to drug use at all, but is simply natural phenomena - visual tinnitus if you will, something people normally filter out, but if you pay attention or if it's brought to your attention (such as via psychedelics or other drugs) it can suddenly become obvious, or even impossible to ignore sometimes.

i say this because well before i ever took psychedelics, as a kid, i would often stare at the ceiling of my room and see faces or other images in the textured pattern there out of boredom. or, after drawing inspiration from a book about a lady with a house where everything was upside down (the roof was the floor and so on) i would try imagining that the floor was now the ceiling and i was now lying upside down - with enough practice i would actually start to perceive it, even almost feel like gravity was pulling me up. and i've always seeing visual "snow", almost like the static on your tv, but much fainter, when i wanted to - invisible until i try to see the air in front of me, then it's obvious.

on occasion, i've also seen tiny dots of colored lights floating in the air, usually sky blue, though rarely other colors like yellow or green, moving like fireflies for half a second before vanishing, generally in the corner of my eye. theyre as tiny as a pinprick, and they alternate between bright and pitch black at really fast speed, like strobe lights.  they only last for a moment before vanishing, and are extremely rare though. no clue what kind of visual phenomena they are - i mainly saw them when i was younger, and rarely see them nowadays.

one doesn't need psychedelics to see the world in an unusual perspective, that's for sure.




The blue ones like fireflies sound like blue field entoptic phenomenon, which isn't the same as HPPD or static since it isn't "noise." The blue wisps are white blood cells moving through the capillaries in front of your retinae, and most people can see them against sky blue background if they pay attention.


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    #27048174 - 11/19/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i've read about that, and seen that, but it's not that at all - these are singular, not covering the entire field like BFEP. they're also also very, VERY, tiny and bright - i'm not joking about the strobe light comparison. they look like pinprick strobe lights, on and off bright color and pitch blackness. the blue wisps you're talking about i've seen, but those are larger and look like... well, transparent wisps. they move like critters. these move more like dust motes that wink out of existence after a fraction of a second, and there's always only one of them at a time. it also happens indoors as often as outdoors, and in darkness as often as light - though i can't remember ever seeing them with my eyes closed. o.O


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Re: How common is HPPD? [Re: Psion]
    #27048207 - 11/19/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve just read some serious cases of HPPD and I sometimes will have LSD binges where I’ll take it once a week for like 1.5 months or whatever... which is too often but I’ve been getting drug tested for like 18 months and can’t smoke weed so yeah.

I stop getting tested in under a month, and going to smoke weed and get off kratom and get my life right. I like weed because it’s introspective for me, even after smoking for 15 years. Especially after my psychedelic use, I think weed will be a little different.


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    #27048229 - 11/20/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i've had psych binges of 1-2 times a week for several months and had no issues. =p if you're feeling worried about your psych usage, however, then that's a sign you should probably slow it down, if only because such worries are going to give you bad vibes during a trip. slow it down till you feel comfortable about your usage again, and go from there.

psychs are a tool. sometimes it's useful to have a crutch to lean on while your mind heals, but at some point the crutch has to be let go of - once the mind is strong enough to stand on it's own, you gotta actually do so and let those mental muscles get stronger. it might be your mind is telling you it's time to take a break and get into some hobbies, like art, and develop that inner strength.

once you have, maybe then go back to psychedelics, and use them as a different tool, for reflecting on your inner world and gaining greater insights to yourself.


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