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thealienthatategod
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is shroomery.org self aware?
#27037295 - 11/13/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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does it have its own desires, and does it understand these desires?
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Buster_Brown
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♫ everyone stands in line, 'cos they wanna stay alive🎶
What's not understandable?
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Hikeadellic
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: Buster_Brown]
#27037358 - 11/13/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomery.org desires more mushrooms on planet earth
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thealienthatategod
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: Buster_Brown]
#27038255 - 11/14/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Buster_Brown said: ♫ everyone stands in line, 'cos they wanna stay alive🎶
What's not understandable?
i don't understand.
does it stare back at you when you stare at it?
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I don’t think there is any real thing as the “group” or “society. The Shroomery is of individual members that communicate and establish codes and values and this is what amounts to the group. A poster for example can relate to that group entity but there really relating to other individuals that have taken on the collective character of the shroomery. I think this character is not an autonomous bro but the effects of many posters getting touch with one another and since there’s a similarity it’s like it’s own character but it’s rather the product many interactions producing memes and insider sayings etc.
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Buster_Brown
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thealienthatategod said:
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Buster_Brown said: ♫ everyone stands in line, 'cos they wanna stay alive🎶
What's not understandable?
i don't understand.
does it stare back at you when you stare at it?
Yeah, it logs me out when I displease it.
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: Buster_Brown]
#27038494 - 11/14/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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lostintimenspc
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#27039425 - 11/14/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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HAHA
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Loaded Shaman
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#27039753 - 11/15/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yellow Pants said: I don’t think there is any real thing as the “group” or “society. The Shroomery is of individual members that communicate and establish codes and values and this is what amounts to the group.
This guy gets it!
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nooneman


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thealienthatategod said: does it have its own desires, and does it understand these desires?
You bet it does! 
Ythan is actually just an advanced self aware AI singularity which has transcended physical reality.
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Lion
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Let's just say there's a lot of communication on the Shroomery that takes place on the subtler planes. Moving mind in a certain direction...
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redgreenvines
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: Lion]
#27040483 - 11/15/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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the shroomery does not have any layer that accommodates a totality facing experience of itself forming lasting memories that are later evoked to provide ongoing context for new self.aware totality facing experiencing.
instead a multitude of self.aware participants extend their reach through the medium (shroomery.org) contextually affecting each other to greater or lesser degrees while leaving digital residue of their passage.
therefore the shroomery is an entity of service that is not self aware.
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We are a part of it and it is a part of us, the interconnectivity of the universe prevails
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DividedQuantum
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The internet is a collection of connected computers. Classical computers are, even still, essentially very sophisticated mallets. They are tools, relatively simple compared with what's coming. If computers are ever conscious, which is possible, I think that will be more in the direction of quantum computation, which more closely resembles human and animal consciousness, as our brains are essentially highly parallel associative quantum computers plugged into the universe.
So, without a seat for awareness, I think websites are quite a ways from being self-aware, or even meaningfully conscious. BUT, if we don't blow ourselves up, such a thing does seem to be coming down the pike.
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redgreenvines
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no it doesn't, quantum computation is just similar in that it is largely not understood.
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laughingdog
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. Most likely consciousness is simply feedback loops interacting in present time. Like a dust devil, it is pure process, dependent on surrounding conditions and impermanent.
. Consciousness without a self (IMO), is like a hurricane with an empty eye, meaning that where it goes and what it does is pure process, dependent on surrounding outside conditions and impermanent.
. For AI or a website to have self awareness, it must first have a self. . This seems to be generally forgotten in discussions of AI, consciousness, the origin of consciousness, and whether consciousness must be embodied, or if it can be disembodied and universal. . And in order for a self to be distinguishable from background phenomenon it develops desires that are different or in contrast to the desireless background.
A human develops desires based on biological imperatives firstly, and later based on possibilities generated by the surrounding human society. . Computers and the software 'on' them lack both these forces or inputs. Thus the question arises of where or how a self could arise in them, to direct a supposed consciousness.
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: laughingdog]
#27043947 - 11/17/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn’t AI already write its own code and wouldn’t this be the same as saying it writes its own imperatives?
If it has imperative isn’t this a form of self?
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redgreenvines
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Re: is shroomery.org self aware? [Re: laughingdog]
#27044536 - 11/17/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: . Most likely consciousness is simply feedback loops interacting in present time. Like a dust devil, it is pure process, dependent on surrounding conditions and impermanent.
Mostly yes, except you left out the complexity of inputs being linked together in present time as well forming the contextual landscape in subsequent present times.
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laughingdog said: . Consciousness without a self (IMO), is like a hurricane with an empty eye, meaning that where it goes and what it does is pure process, dependent on surrounding outside conditions and impermanent.
here you admit the omission in the first point but you call it a self, not a memory trove.
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. For AI or a website to have self awareness, it must first have a self.
maybe you mean memory, or maybe you mean a body in this case, something that has needs and can experience life while satisfying needs
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. This seems to be generally forgotten in discussions of AI, consciousness, the origin of consciousness, and whether consciousness must be embodied, or if it can be disembodied and universal. . And in order for a self to be distinguishable from background phenomenon it develops desires that are different or in contrast to the desireless background.
A human develops desires based on biological imperatives firstly, and later based on possibilities generated by the surrounding human society. . Computers and the software 'on' them lack both these forces or inputs. Thus the question arises of where or how a self could arise in them, to direct a supposed consciousness.
so we may agree a fair bit with different language.
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laughingdog
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redgreenvines said:
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laughingdog said: . Most likely consciousness is simply feedback loops interacting in present time. Like a dust devil, it is pure process, dependent on surrounding conditions and impermanent.
Mostly yes, except you left out the complexity of inputs being linked together in present time as well forming the contextual landscape in subsequent present times.
. I fail to see that you have clarified anything by adding the words "complexity of inputs" or "contextual landscape", ( and the same goes for the rest of your post). . But I imagine you had a little fun looking for things to find fault with and playing at correcting them with your supposedly superior insight. . It seems sad you repeatedly feel the necessity for this sort of posting behavior that might have earned you some sort of points in school, but seems simply out of place here. I expressed a general view, well enough that folks can understand where I'm coming from when I consider the issue at hand. Folks here aren't stupid. . If you have a view point of your own, you could of course express it, rather than playing at having deeper insights, by rearranging and changing words in mine and others posts, that really add nothing, IMO. . For this reason, I feel, there is no reason to address, your word games, in the rest of your post. . Folks here aren't stupid, and neither are you, I expect better from you.
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Loaded Shaman
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DividedQuantum said: The internet is a collection of connected computers. Classical computers are, even still, essentially very sophisticated mallets. They are tools, relatively simple compared with what's coming..
I like that analogy; "mallets"!
When all you've got access to is a hammer...
Even though modern computers and smart phones now act more like a classic Swiss Army Knife, the average person would also use their computer as a hammer if social media told them enough times to LOL.
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