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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: polaritymind]
    #27056783 - 11/25/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why buy yo flyest bitch diamonds instead of cubic zirconia? It’s just mo better

Really though I’m not sure what step you’re asking about. Why use a top layer would be to cover your grains because they don’t provide a very good pinning surface, so you have that top layer of smooth coir with all its little air pockets and niches for myc to get into and it forms a blank slate that can pin from all over. It will prevent grains from drying out as well and is a protective barrier for the “main body” of mycelium. Though it’s all one thing I think of it as the main stronghold underneath providing water and nutrients and the top layer traps that all underneath and allows pinning from up top.

Why tamp them down separately? Just cuz. Cubes don’t naturally grow on every square inch of substrate they find, we’re kind of tricking them into it with insanely perfect conditions. That’s how I think of it anyway. And I think of them as two separate parts of a whole so each gets setup just so. It doesn’t always work like I want it to but mostly it does.


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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
    #27057265 - 11/25/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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MushroomNewbie2 said:
I’ve heard people getting side pins even with a liner cause they fuck it up... IMO why not just get some good surface conditions going for the mushies and they’ll wanna grow there and not on the sides :mushroom2:
But again, I’m new at this and learning the ways that work best for Me :grin:
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Don't the bottom and sides of the liner have to be tight to not create wet pockets of air with better conditions than the top of the surface?


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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27057295 - 11/25/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

no they don't need to be tight, I've used some pretty loose liners in the past with major success.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: mushhead]
    #27060121 - 11/27/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hello friends,

I am back.

So I fruited the rye jars in shoeboxes with no holes (2 jars each, 3:1 ratio)

However, its been 14 days since fruiting and about 7 days since full colonisation.

I cased two of the tubs as an experiment. Myc went through, patched it, and now it went through again!

Since full colonization, I started fanning once a day.

No pins still! But luckily they still smell healthy and mushroomy.  and theres tiny droplets (and some big ones) all over the surface.

Ambient temp is around 18-21C (64-69F)


How much longer until I should get some pins?

Thank you!


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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: polaritymind]
    #27065697 - 12/01/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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But why, whats the benefit? Packed coir at the same time, what difference does it make?




Sorry I've just now seen this. The difference is that when you add the top layer your surface is going to be the flattest possible. Technically I don't know why mushies enjoy it, but from experience it gives me the best possible pinset. I think it has something to do with the rate of evaporation, it acts as a casing layer, but technically it isn't. When you mix everything the sub will colonise fully below the added layer of coir and then you will see rhyzomorphic growth reaching the top layer. I think without adding the top layer you risk compromising surface conditions i.e. your sub dries out too fast. I really can't tell you why it works, only that it works, maybe someone else can chime in, but you should definitely try it, what's there to lose? :smile:

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Roger Clemency said:
Why buy yo flyest bitch diamonds instead of cubic zirconia? It’s just mo better

Really though I’m not sure what step you’re asking about. Why use a top layer would be to cover your grains because they don’t provide a very good pinning surface, so you have that top layer of smooth coir with all its little air pockets and niches for myc to get into and it forms a blank slate that can pin from all over. It will prevent grains from drying out as well and is a protective barrier for the “main body” of mycelium. Though it’s all one thing I think of it as the main stronghold underneath providing water and nutrients and the top layer traps that all underneath and allows pinning from up top.

Why tamp them down separately? Just cuz. Cubes don’t naturally grow on every square inch of substrate they find, we’re kind of tricking them into it with insanely perfect conditions. That’s how I think of it anyway. And I think of them as two separate parts of a whole so each gets setup just so. It doesn’t always work like I want it to but mostly it does.





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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
    #27066079 - 12/01/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Don't patch the substrate just let it ride.
The myc is too worried about colonizing the extra sub you're expanding it with to push pins.


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