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Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it?
#27036752 - 11/13/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
Haven't been on this forum for a while now, good to be back! I guess Im a bit out of date with the latest wisdom so I'd really appreciate if you can review my plan so I dont fuck up.
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I got 7 fully colonized rye jars (quart size).
My several monotub attempts were mainly unsuccessful and I am afraid to put all eggs in one basket again. Also, Im quite limited with my resources.
So my strategy is:
1. Get 7 x 5L plastic water bottles (like this)
2. Cut them in half, sanitize with IPA
3. Pasteurize 50/50 coir+verm (is there any safe nutrition additives I can experiment with? dog food i heard? I dont have access to hpoo, as Im in the city atm)
4. Break up rye grain with sanitised gloves and mix 1:1 with the substrate.
5. Line the half-bottles with a black plastic bag and add the above mix in.
6. Cover them with some foil? or maybe just tye up the plastic bags?
7. Allow to colonize 7-10 days.
8. Prep a casing layer once surface is fully colonized.
9. Open up the bags, add half an inch of casing layer.
10. make 4 x 1 cm holes in the upper half of the bottles and fill with polyfill (can I use regular cotton too?)
11. Mist and fan 1-2x/day.
Sounds good?!
Thanks for your time.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27036802 - 11/13/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chowder said: I guess Im a bit out of date with the latest wisdom so I'd really appreciate if you can review my plan so I dont fuck up.
Check the sticky threads at the top for all the current teks.
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Soooo
I got 7 fully colonized rye jars (quart size).
My several monotub attempts were mainly unsuccessful and I am afraid to put all eggs in one basket again. Also, Im quite limited with my resources.
So my strategy is:
1. Get 7 x 5L plastic water bottles (like this)
For less money you could get seven 6qt shoe boxes...
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2. Cut them in half, sanitize with IPA
IPA is only going to kill bacteria and your colonized grain isn't that vulnerable to bacteria. Forget the IPA.
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3. Pasteurize 50/50 coir+verm (is there any safe nutrition additives I can experiment with? dog food i heard? I dont have access to hpoo, as Im in the city atm)
I think that's probably way too much vermiculite, but I don't know for sure because I don't use it at all. Adding anything nutritive will be contam city. Also look at the bucket tek. That stuff doesn't need to be pasteurized, but the coir hydrates a lot better with hot water. That's about it; the rest of your questions are covered by the relevant teks.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27036809 - 11/13/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Add some gypsum to the coir and dont mess with anything else, only introduces contam and this mixture is nutritous and fruits excellently already.
Waht do you mean by "tye up the plastic bags". Since you cut off the tpp I recommend putting that back on, I think that sould work. You can put on the cap loosely for air.
Misting and fanning isnt neccesary when you have your bottles "dialed in" which is the right amount of opening (in your case bottlecap). Ideally you have small water droplets on the surface at all times as indicators of good moisture and humidity but no pools.
And yeah vermiculite is totally unnecesary. Just check your coir isnt over satureated, that is to say at field capacity and no more. Means squeezing it doesnt make any water come out and therefore no pooling on the bottom of water.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: polaritymind]
#27036816 - 11/13/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, thanks a lot SirPentinite & polaritymind!
So what do you think about replacing polyfil with cotton?
And what about the 1:1 ratio? Can I push it a bit more?
OK, got it, so just pasteurize coir (or bucket tek it!), no verm.
Also, no need for side holes? the top one should be enough?
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Edited by Chowder (11/13/20 10:46 AM)
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27036982 - 11/13/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cotton absorbs water which is not desirable. Poly Fil doesn't. 1:2 spawn ratio or even 1:3 generally performs better than 1:1. If you use shoe boxes, they don't need to be modified.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
#27037008 - 11/13/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hm, thats interesting about the ratio. What would be the explanation, you know? When you say "performes better" i assume you mean harvest/contam resistance?
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27037050 - 11/13/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shoeboxes work well. I mix coir and verm to pasteurize in a 5 gallon bucket and never had contams with it ever polaritymind. basically just don't oversaturate your myc with substrate in a shoe box. Use common sense. there's not a lot of math to be done, and it isn't at all as complicated as you're all making it out to be. Use a casing layer of coir/verm/gypsum pasteurized for reg cubes. There's no need for polyfil or miropore tape as shoeboxes don't need to be modified. I'd build a separate Fruiting Chamber as well just incase the variety you're dealing with fruits with larger specimens. EDIT: I forgot to say 1brick coir matches well with 2qts verm and a half pint of gypsum.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: mushhead]
#27037062 - 11/13/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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shoe boxes done mushboy style
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: mushhead]
#27037077 - 11/13/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanx Mushhead!
well, whats the difference between these "shoeboxes" and the 5Liter water bottles? I really cant afford 6 plastic totes at the moment. Should be exactly the same no?
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27037091 - 11/13/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Above is a good example of what you're attempting to do. This is a 2ltr bottle. You can already see the issues with it.
  
eventually i had to move it into its own Fruiting chamber.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: mushhead]
#27037172 - 11/13/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, i was just reading earlier about this side pinning problem. Thats why I thought about putting the substrate in a black bag. Not only it block the light, but I read that the plastic shrinks together with the substrate and it doesnt create those pockets of high humidity where the pinning innitiates.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27037183 - 11/13/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chowder said: Yeah, i was just reading earlier about this side pinning problem. That's* why I thought about putting the substrate in a black bag. Not only it block the light, but I read that the plastic shrinks together with the substrate and it doesn't* create those pockets of high humidity where the pinning initiates*.
Light has nothing to do with side pins, forget that myth right this second. A liner will do you just fine and would fix the issue of side pinning, but only because it literally prevents the myc from pinning on its side as it is physically adhered to the substrate which is a natural reaction of mycelia attempting to consume something it can't. I also looked at your 5ltr bottles. if you have that bump in the middle you'll need to work around that, or try to find a flatter bottomed container.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: mushhead]
#27037188 - 11/13/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm, interesting... whats the issue with not having a flat bottom. Im sure i can flatten any bump with a bit of heat and pressure anyhow. But thanks for the tip.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27037191 - 11/13/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Theres not real big issue, its just annoying to have to work around it. The bump will just get in the way of mixing the sub within the bottle is all.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27037202 - 11/13/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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6l sterilize shoeboxes work great unmodified, and cost about 99cents a piece. I really don’t see a reason to use those water jugs unless you just want to experiment. If you just want mush, skip the verm and the black plastic bags and buy the shoeboxes. If you want to experiment, be sure to let us all know how they work out.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#27037203 - 11/13/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Roscoe, I already tried m8. He seems pretty set on using the 5ltr bottles.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: mushhead]
#27037256 - 11/13/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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99 cents? I dont live in US or UK tho.. and at the moment I kinda have zero budget and those water bottles lying around, thats my only reasoning. But fuck it, I wont be stubborn and go and look for some cheap boxes tomorrow...
WHats the idea behind not using a liner?
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27037274 - 11/13/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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In a shoebox its not needed. The substrate will side pin, but it wont be an issue since the sub wont be too deep.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Chowder]
#27037462 - 11/13/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chowder said: Hm, thats interesting about the ratio. What would be the explanation, you know? When you say "performes better" i assume you mean harvest/contam resistance?
More sub holds more water and needs less attention through the first flush. The fewer factors a new cultivator has to juggle at once, the better IMO. There's nothing wrong with 1:1 and lots of people do that. Your sub will be contam resistant if the spawn is clean and if you don't have ginormous spore load in your grow area. I'm lazy about tossing out used subs and they go 8-10 weeks without turning green. They dry out first.
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Re: Here is my fruiting strategy; what do you think about it? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
#27037501 - 11/13/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sir Pentinite said:
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Chowder said: Hm, thats interesting about the ratio. What would be the explanation, you know? When you say "performes better" i assume you mean harvest/contam resistance?
More sub holds more water and needs less attention through the first flush. The fewer factors a new cultivator has to juggle at once, the better IMO. There's nothing wrong with 1:1 and lots of people do that. Your sub will be contam resistant if the spawn is clean and if you don't have ginormous spore load in your grow area. I'm lazy about tossing out used subs and they go 8-10 weeks without turning green. They dry out first.
Same my tubs don't usually contam after consolidation completes, they just get sad a wrinkled.
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