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OfflineH_tchet
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ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? UK
    #27033216 - 11/11/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Habitat:
found on grassland similar habitat to libs but i tend to find them on the edges or on embankments.

Gills:
dark to light brown, purpleish hue in the right light

Stem:
white fading to yellowish

Cap:
specimens have caps 2-5 cm dia, dark brown when wet drying to golden yellow, convex or campanulate caps that sometime have a slight waviness to them
Spore print color:
see picture, brown

Bruising:
blue at the base of the stem and around edges of cap.

i have come across this species a few times so when i came across them recently i decided to take a spore print and try to id them, however i forgot to take photos of the first lot i found before they dried out while taking a spore print so i went on the hunt again and have found one fresh specimen which is a little worse for ware, they bruise blue very heavily, at first i thought they could be cyan but the caps do not seem as dark or wavy as the photos iv seen, anybody have any idea? thanks in advance











also long time prowler first time poster :laugh:


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: H_tchet]
    #27033260 - 11/11/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely looks like psilocybin mushrooms.  They looks like very dry P cubensis or some Pan cyanescens not really sure


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: Jadedgreen]
    #27033272 - 11/11/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

thanks, my thoughts exactly i just don't want to take a risk until i get a positive id, the last 2 pics are of a fresh specimen but the slugs seems to have gotten to it before me. also its a bit on the wet/soggy side due to the rain lately. this is a UK id as i don't think i mentioned location.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: H_tchet]
    #27033379 - 11/11/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

looks like psilocybe that one in hand last pic looks weird. the others look like cyans kinda did they all bruise blue? were they dry when found? go back get pics of them fresh in habitat


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27033425 - 11/11/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like one of the blue Stropharias


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27033428 - 11/11/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yes the one in the hand is the only fresh one i was able to find after forgetting to take pics of the others, and it had already been munched on by something around the edge.

yes they all show blue bruising, i found them all fresh, the caps of the dry ones had the same colour to it as the one in my hand just without the damage, some had a very symmetrical 4 waves around the cap, others a almost large liberty cap appearance just wider and not as tall.

if im able to find more i will update.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: Moria841]
    #27033454 - 11/11/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Moria841 said:
Looks like one of the blue Stropharias




defiantly not, no veil, no fibers on the stem, 100% no blue strop


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: Moria841]
    #27033459 - 11/11/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Moria841 said:
Looks like one of the blue Stropharias




Absolutely agreed.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: H_tchet]
    #27033462 - 11/11/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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H_tchet said:
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Moria841 said:
Looks like one of the blue Stropharias




defiantly not, no veil, no fibers on the stem, 100% no blue strop




Notice the blueing only on the cap, none on the stem really and even if there was a little.. it's not cyans, not fimetaria.  It's not a psilocybin mushrooms.  It's a blueing strophoria.  Maybe page Rockefeller because he know better then all of us.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27033465 - 11/11/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
Quote:

Moria841 said:
Looks like one of the blue Stropharias




Absolutely agreed.




are you referring to this species? that species shows a resemblance to the Amanita genus, which these do not share any resemblance.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: H_tchet]
    #27033475 - 11/11/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There is a few different species...But the stem on these lead me to not think they are blue Stropharias :shrug:


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: H_tchet]
    #27033476 - 11/11/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

there are some smaller ones that look pretty convincing sometimes. its really hard to tell. we need good pictures of all parts of them fresh in good lighting preferably before they are picked to say 100%. some people can id them in the current state but not many. i think blue strophs show up on here every year from UK


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: HAKR ELITE]
    #27033488 - 11/11/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.first-nature.com/fungi/images/strophariaceae/stropharia-caerulea7.jpg

That is what I am talking about, I believe these are them and so does the TI.  As well they are also dry which makes it much harder, because then maybe of course some very boutique rare psilocybe they could be, but you'd need to page Rockefeller or somebody else.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27033489 - 11/11/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

really interested in getting an id because i have stumbled across these a few times over the years, im well versed in i'ding alot of mushrooms from amanti death caps and destroying angels, fly agaric to inky caps, honey fungus etc.

normally i can get a positive id myself but this one has stumped me more than once. ill try to find more and get some better pictures.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27033497 - 11/11/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

100% sure its not them or atleast not that exact species, the gills are much lighter and the whole thing is blue where these brused blue on contact after a few minutes, also the stem does not match. thank you appreciate it, i will look for different blueing stropharia species to see if i can find a match.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: H_tchet]
    #27033524 - 11/11/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Stropharia aeruginosa
Stropharia albonitens
Stropharia aurantiaca
Stropharia coronilla
Stropharia cyanea
Stropharia hypsipoda
Stropharia inuncta
Stropharia luteonitens
Stropharia melanosperma
Stropharia pseudocyanea
Stropharia rugosoannulata
Stropharia semiglobata
Stropharia semilibera
Stropharia squamulosa
Stropharia thrausta
Stropharia thrausta

i have checked all these of the stropharia genus, if anybody knows of a good list for this genus please let me know.

all have a stem with a skirt, scales or have gills that meet the stem instead of going to the bottom of the cap/top of the stem, so not a match yet.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: H_tchet]
    #27033555 - 11/11/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The phenotype can vary a lot within the same species.


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27033673 - 11/11/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

They don't resemble any psilocybe species that grows in grasslands at all, compare to stropharia pseudocyanea


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Re: ID Request please. cyan or fimetaria or other? [Re: Moria841]
    #27035133 - 11/12/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

possible positive id, Inocybe aeruginascens, all characteristics match a lot better than any of the Stropharia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inocybe_aeruginascens

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