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MrCatDad
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noobie trying shrooms therapeutically
#27032395 - 11/10/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’m trying to therapeutically use Golden Teachers I’ve grown myself. I’m trying to deal with PTSD and depression. I’m a big guy, over 6 feet, 235 lbs. I've never used hallucinogens before.
The first time, I ate about 10 fresh mushrooms, most of which had dropped spores, and just got high.
Second time, I ate 18 fresh ones, unspored, and got slightly higher.
My goal, though, was a more substantial experience.
So the third time, I ate all the dried, unspored mushrooms I had, about 2 cups worth. When they kicked in, I was hit with the feeling I was about to lose control and got very afraid. I was definitely level 3, trying to go level 4, which I resisted by being externally (not internally) focused and spooning with my girlfriend, my tripsitter. Four hours later, I felt fine, even better, though disappointed I didn’t have the fuller psychedelic experience I wanted. I did and do want that, however when confronted with the intense reality of it, I believe I panicked. However, I did try to go “in and through” but wasn’t successful.
A few thoughts:
1. The mushrooms make me slightly nauseated, which makes me anxious, and I think set me up for my fearful reaction, especially with all the nerves in the stomach. I also notice my extremities get cold. Would making a tea help?
2. I’m surprised, though, given how many I ate, I didn’t fully trip anyway (and the first two experiences were really mild). I think my stomach isn’t a great drug delivery pathway for me. Edible weed has never done anything for me.
3. In some ways, I think I might be “edging up” to the experience. Maybe next time, I’ll know what to expect and relax into it more.
I would appreciate any insight or advice on this matter. Thanks!
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: MrCatDad]
#27032414 - 11/10/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You sound like you are being very reckless. I don't mean to gatekeep or offend you, but at least dry the things out and measure them!
do yourself a favor and read this: https://www.shroomery.org/6258/How-to-Avoid-a-Bad-Trip
For the sickness eat a tums. For me it does wonders (though it may be placebo, i don't care.)
-------------------- Do u want. To have. A tasty. Mushroom? Gotta catch 'em all (WA): Common: Gymnopilus junonius | Gymnopilus luteofolius | Panaeolus cinctulus | Psilocybe azurescens | Psilocybe cyanescens | Psilocybe pelliculosa | Psilocybe stuntzii | Psilocybe semilanceata Uncommon: Gymnopilus aeruginosus | Psilocybe baeocystis | Panaeolus bispora | Panaeolus olivaceus | Psilocybe allenii | Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata | Psilocybe silvatica | Psilocybe strictipes
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: Saeurcybe]
#27032419 - 11/10/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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also damn you ate them fresh you are a fucking savage lol no wonder you had a tummy ache i bet that was nasty as hell
-------------------- Do u want. To have. A tasty. Mushroom? Gotta catch 'em all (WA): Common: Gymnopilus junonius | Gymnopilus luteofolius | Panaeolus cinctulus | Psilocybe azurescens | Psilocybe cyanescens | Psilocybe pelliculosa | Psilocybe stuntzii | Psilocybe semilanceata Uncommon: Gymnopilus aeruginosus | Psilocybe baeocystis | Panaeolus bispora | Panaeolus olivaceus | Psilocybe allenii | Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata | Psilocybe silvatica | Psilocybe strictipes
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: MrCatDad]
#27032428 - 11/10/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you feel comfortable doing so, a higher dry dose may be what you are looking for. I think an empty stomach is very important, as well as any other measures taken to respect the experience, such as abstaining from drinking or sex and having nature be your setting.
Terrence McKenna recommended 5 dry grams in silent darkness on an empty stomach. Fresh, wet mushrooms are about ten times the weight of bone dry mushrooms. Dry shrooms should break, not bend.
Tolerance builds quickly with shrooms. You should probably put about or at least a month or longer in-between trips
I've heard that the genetics of the grow will effect the potency too
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: Saeurcybe]
#27032438 - 11/10/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You very might be edging toward an experience there. But that will come through experience.
Get a scale man. We don't share your dictionary for 1 mushroom. 1g however is the language of the world.
Brew a tea. Use the search function for a tea tek. Its very simple. It will help with the stomach issues.
And you seem to understand the relaxing; you just have to implement it, which is the hard part but very doable.
I'm sure there will be plenty of good advice here, but just keep at it. Its not an easy task nor is it for everyone.
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: Hikeadellic]
#27032442 - 11/10/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Although Terrence recommended 5g he did not do so for new kids in town. Its best to learn to swim before you hit the deep water.
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27032514 - 11/10/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: Although Terrence recommended 5g he did not do so for new kids in town. Its best to learn to swim before you hit the deep water.
I can't stress this enough! I would start with 1-2 grams, and then add .5 gram over weeks/months/years even. If you grow you have an endless supply, and doing drugs is like cooking with salt. You can always add, but you can't take away.
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27033447 - 11/11/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: Although Terrence recommended 5g he did not do so for new kids in town. Its best to learn to swim before you hit the deep water.
I can't stress this enough! I would start with 1-2 grams, and then add .5 gram over weeks/months/years even. If you grow you have an endless supply, and doing drugs is like cooking with salt. You can always add, but you can't take away.
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: Blazer420]
#27034397 - 11/12/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Two cups of dried mushrooms???? Damn dude. I use 2 cups of flour in my shortbread cookie recipe. 2 cups of mushrooms 'ey???
You only need 3.5g dry to have a profound experience. You didn't have a profound experience because it was just too strong.
I would suggest starting low and working your way up to find your happy spot. it's better to trip too lightly than to trip too hard. If you aren't tripping enough you can always eat more but if you are tripping too hard there's nothing you can do except ride it out.Start with 1 gram dry, wait a couple of weeks do 1.5, then 2. If you can handle two then go for 3 next time. If you like three then do 3.5 next time. I would do 3.5 several times before I would raise my dose.
If you are going to do psychedelics for therapeutic purposes, write your intentions down either on a piece of paper or if you type faster than you write then use a word program on your laptop or something.
Set up some sort of an altar or a safe space that you can look to for guidance or to help keep you grounded. I like to set up a playlist on winamp and turn on the visualisations. I might set up a couple of crystals as well. it doesn't need to be exactly like this but just some sort of setup that you can look to that will help keep you grounded. Maybe a small Buddha statue or something sentimental or anything really.
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (11/12/20 03:09 AM)
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#27034471 - 11/12/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: Although Terrence recommended 5g he did not do so for new kids in town. Its best to learn to swim before you hit the deep water.
I can't stress this enough! I would start with 1-2 grams, and then add .5 gram over weeks/months/years even. If you grow you have an endless supply, and doing drugs is like cooking with salt. You can always add, but you can't take away.
Exactly true. My shortbread cookies recipe calls for UNSALTED BUTTER. I had no idea how it happened but I accidentally used salted butter so my cookies had double the amount of salt. They tasted like dog food. No sweetness and really dry. I threw the whole batch away. But not enough salt and your baked goods will be bland like eating paper.
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A few questions.
How do you feel about non physical altars. Thoughts and concepts being used as altars?
What do the crystals do for you?
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: LosTresOjos]
#27035920 - 11/12/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe in the metaphysical properties of crystals. Thoughts would be sort of difficult because it's not tangible. Like let's say you are tripping out really hard and maybe having a slightly challenging moment. How will you even be able to recall that you need to think about these memories during this time?
I think pictures would work a lot better especially if it was a picture of the thought or memory. Pictures of family members, or friends, or your pet. I had one trip where I spent a good amount of time looking at pictures of my dog that had to be put down a couple of years ago and it reminded me of the memories with her and it also helped to bring more closure.
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: MrCatDad]
#27035941 - 11/12/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're so scared you have to start spooning with your girlfriend ... maybe mushrooms aren't for you buddy. Grow up a little bit first. Sounds like you haven't had any traumatic experiences in life as of yet. Maybe consider to come back at a later time.
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: thegreatecb]
#27035942 - 11/12/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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thegreatecb said: If you're so scared you have to start spooning with your girlfriend ... maybe mushrooms aren't for you buddy. Grow up a little bit first. Sounds like you haven't had any traumatic experiences in life as of yet. Maybe consider to come back at a later time.
Ninja edit , eh?
Maybe you should try some compassion and maybe not be such a dick when someone comes in here and asks for advice. Maybe you should grow up and stop acting like a high school dickhead.
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Re: noobie trying shrooms therapeutically [Re: thegreatecb]
#27035949 - 11/12/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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thegreatecb said: If you're so scared you have to start spooning with your girlfriend ... maybe mushrooms aren't for you buddy. Grow up a little bit first. Sounds like you haven't had any traumatic experiences in life as of yet. Maybe consider to come back at a later time.
Dude why don't you take two cups of mushrooms and see how you feel? Grow up? All he needs is a little tiny bit of education about dosing.
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