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OfflineFunkadelic12
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Making sense of 2nd trip
    #27031064 - 11/10/20 04:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've tripped on 3.5g twice now. 4 months apart. The second experience didn't effect me as much as it did the first time and wasn't as profound, mostly because I think I knew what to expect and I wasn't as frightened/anxious being in my room and in a closed and familiar environment. The visuals were pretty extreme once again and the molding of my body, the environment and everything in between came together again. There were a lot of thoughts about society, business and family structure (some topics that have been on my mind of late) and how they are rather simple constructs. Simple in a sense that, they aren't hard to start if you have a plan and take action.

These trips so far have mostly lowered the veil on what I've thought to be in the past quite difficult things to see. Ideas about marriage, feelings, pain, regretful moments in my past and in other peoples pasts that are just that, moments. They don't define you.

There was extreme and utter pleasure and comfort rugged up on my bed with the blind folds on listening to beats. I felt like I was being taken on a rollercoaster ride as smooth butter. It felt insanely good. Does anyone else get this?

There were also shorter periods where I questioned my sanity and felt waves of anxiety and fear but no where near as hard as the first  time I tripped.

The first time I also had an incredible glowing feeling which lasted up to a week. This time it wasn't as strong. Could this be due to the idea of knowing what to expect? I did have a lot more anxiety the last time due to the fact half the trip was outside in an unknown environment. Simply coming back to sobriety and having my mind back was enough to thank the universe ten times over for.

Interested in anyones input.


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Re: Making sense of 2nd trip [Re: Funkadelic12]
    #27031084 - 11/10/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

can you talk more about how moments of the past do not define you?


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Re: Making sense of 2nd trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27031108 - 11/10/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

"Does anyone else get this?"
Yes.
"The first time I also had an incredible glowing feeling which lasted up to a week. This time it wasn't as strong. Could this be due to the idea of knowing what to expect?"
This rabbit hole is damn deep. It's kinda hard to answer your question. We really don't know what psychedelic experience is.


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Re: Making sense of 2nd trip [Re: Funkadelic12]
    #27031856 - 11/10/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Funkadelic12 said:
I've tripped on 3.5g twice now. 4 months apart. The second experience didn't effect me as much as it did the first time and wasn't as profound, mostly because I think I knew what to expect and I wasn't as frightened/anxious being in my room and in a closed and familiar environment. The visuals were pretty extreme once again and the molding of my body, the environment and everything in between came together again. There were a lot of thoughts about society, business and family structure (some topics that have been on my mind of late) and how they are rather simple constructs. Simple in a sense that, they aren't hard to start if you have a plan and take action.

These trips so far have mostly lowered the veil on what I've thought to be in the past quite difficult things to see. Ideas about marriage, feelings, pain, regretful moments in my past and in other peoples pasts that are just that, moments. They don't define you.

There was extreme and utter pleasure and comfort rugged up on my bed with the blind folds on listening to beats. I felt like I was being taken on a rollercoaster ride as smooth butter. It felt insanely good. Does anyone else get this?

There were also shorter periods where I questioned my sanity and felt waves of anxiety and fear but no where near as hard as the first  time I tripped.

The first time I also had an incredible glowing feeling which lasted up to a week. This time it wasn't as strong. Could this be due to the idea of knowing what to expect? I did have a lot more anxiety the last time due to the fact half the trip was outside in an unknown environment. Simply coming back to sobriety and having my mind back was enough to thank the universe ten times over for.

Interested in anyones input.





Sure, trip more and more often, your questions are just the result of inexperience for the most part.  Where you are is just the very beginning. 

Also the emergence of autobiographical material is to be expected, but absolutely not to be ignored.  It's the only way to grow. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Making sense of 2nd trip [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27032268 - 11/10/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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can you talk more about how moments of the past do not define you?




I mean in a sense that we all have moments in our pasts that we aren't proud of. Sometimes these can weigh us down and bring us emotional and physiological pain. Recognising, but not letting those moments define you is key to development.

Often, you can get trapped in negative thought patterns that are perhaps, a result of unsavoury moments from our pasts. I suppose what the mushroom helps with is breaking those thought patterns and putting you on a clearer, more positive path.

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"Does anyone else get this?"
Yes.
"The first time I also had an incredible glowing feeling which lasted up to a week. This time it wasn't as strong. Could this be due to the idea of knowing what to expect?"
This rabbit hole is damn deep. It's kinda hard to answer your question. We really don't know what psychedelic experience is.




Fair call. And I suppose it is hard to answer given everybody has such vast differences in experience.


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Sure, trip more and more often, your questions are just the result of inexperience for the most part.  Where you are is just the very beginning. 

Also the emergence of autobiographical material is to be expected, but absolutely not to be ignored.  It's the only way to grow. :cookiemonster:




Thanks for the feedback! I am definitely interested in exploring as much as myself as possible. Curious though, you say my questions are due to inexperience. What makes an experienced user? The number of trips or the amount of insight one gets from an experience?


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Re: Making sense of 2nd trip [Re: Funkadelic12]
    #27032355 - 11/10/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Sure, trip more and more often, your questions are just the result of inexperience for the most part.  Where you are is just the very beginning. 

Also the emergence of autobiographical material is to be expected, but absolutely not to be ignored.  It's the only way to grow. :cookiemonster:




Thanks for the feedback! I am definitely interested in exploring as much as myself as possible. Curious though, you say my questions are due to inexperience. What makes an experienced user? The number of trips or the amount of insight one gets from an experience?




Well, it all depends on what you report from the experience that indicates how much was resolved.  So yeah, it's the insight, but it's also the results... 

Multiple trips can deepen this, especially because if you do get insight and don't follow up on it it will resurface in repeated trips until you do.  There's a path and it's obvious when you follow it but the choice is always yours.

If you want to think of it as a cleansing process, the superficial dirt and disorder is easy to spot.  It's what lies deeper - who and what you are exactly - that takes more work (and therefore trip time) to get to.  But trip time is not linear time, so a deeper (usually but not necessarily higher dosage) trip will rip its way into shit that a whole bunch of low level trips will never see. 

When that happens though it can be a sudden shock (or revelation) and people might avoid tripping too deeply as a result.  And of course really there's no end to it, so though you think you might be done with all that it always can rise up and smack you in the face.  And you have to be ready to say "thank you". :laugh2:


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Re: Making sense of 2nd trip [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27032466 - 11/10/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There are certain questions people ask when they are getting into something for the first time.

Some things are so personal that opinions vary like a the tides of psychedelia.


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Re: Making sense of 2nd trip [Re: Funkadelic12]
    #27033249 - 11/11/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
can you talk more about how moments of the past do not define you?




I mean in a sense that we all have moments in our pasts that we aren't proud of. Sometimes these can weigh us down and bring us emotional and physiological pain. Recognising, but not letting those moments define you is key to development.

Often, you can get trapped in negative thought patterns that are perhaps, a result of unsavoury moments from our pasts. I suppose what the mushroom helps with is breaking those thought patterns and putting you on a clearer, more positive path.






this is quite a significant issue area.
after an embarrassment or unsavory involvement, we can develop a cringe reaction, that over time can become a nasty complex.

the first 'enlightened' response, is to relax the cringe and remain open to the memory.

then one must make space for that awful thing which you remember, without making any effort to change it, i.e. no editing of history. Let it be what it is and react to it with calm gentle patience.

it may help to remember that we all face bits like this.


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