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In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars...
    #27030875 - 11/09/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’m finally to ready to do my first grow with mushrooms.  On my stove right now are 7 jars of brown rice cooling down, when I wake up in the morning before work I’ll be inoculating them.  I’m going to try out the broke boi tek for my first time since it seems fairly straightforward.  I have a pressure cooker on the way also so the BBT might be a one time thing depending how it goes. 

If the inoculation goes well and all 7 jars colonize, I’ll use 2 for a shoebox and the other 5 for a 66qt monotub, both with CVG.  I’ve done a lot of reading up on this lately so even though this my first grow I did the homework and I think I’m ready to do it.  Having said that I’m also ready for failure, I’ve seen a lot of really good growers lose bins to contam, mold, etc for pretty much no explainable reason  so I know I will deal with it sooner or later too (sooner probably) and that’s just how it goes. 

Ok, now for the start.  I’ve got 4 syringes ready and I’m going to do one in the 66qt and one in the shoebox.  I have B+, PSEA, GT, and mazatapeca.  Anybody have any suggestions on what I should go to first? 

If I don’t get feedback I’ll just pick two out of a hat and let them rip 😅 wish me luck.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27030884 - 11/09/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What size jars are you using? 7 half-pint jars will not even come close to being enough spawn for a 66qt bulk tub. You would have to use too much substrate and your ratio would be like 1:15. That would take a very long time to colonize and start pinning.

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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27030899 - 11/09/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yes I agree probably a shoebox and a tub that is like 15-20L volume would serve you better

there's also a joke about the BBT... that you will be broke by following it basically lol

if you do not have a PC then why not do PF tek jars shredded to bulk

the PF has a high rate of success even when done without a PC

what variety you choose from those has almost nothing to do with your chance of success

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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: SingularFusion]
    #27030902 - 11/09/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Someone else shared this bulk substrate calculator

Just plug in your desired numbers.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27031021 - 11/10/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What size jars are you using? 7 half-pint jars will not even come close to being enough spawn for a 66qt bulk tub. You would have to use too much substrate and your ratio would be like 1:15. That would take a very long time to colonize and start pinning.

B+ and maza





Sorry, guess I should’ve been more clear about the jar size, they’re 1 quart jars and I have 7 ready.  Maybe I’ll just do one strain and use all the substrate in the single tub.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27031025 - 11/10/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That's a recipe for disaster.

It's not 100% it will fail, but it's WAY better to have several small totes than one big until you know what you're doing...

Go B+ and shoeboxes for your first.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27031029 - 11/10/20 03:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Someone else shared this bulk substrate calculator

Just plug in your desired numbers.





Thanks for the calculator, it says I need about 5.5 jars and I have 7.  That’s kind of what I had figured in my head, with the extra 1.5 quests going into the shoe box.  I think instead of doing the two though I’ll just go ahead and do one in the bigger tub for now, don’t want to get carried away.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: Pearl]
    #27031033 - 11/10/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a recipe for disaster.

It's not 100% it will fail, but it's WAY better to have several small totes than one big until you know what you're doing...

Go B+ and shoeboxes for your first.




Any particular reason?  I still have plenty of time to change container size, I just figured if I was going to do multiple small tubs that one larger tub would be easier to control


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27031046 - 11/10/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The problem with one larger tub is that if you have an issue in said tub, the whole thing fails or fails to perform well.

With several smaller ones, you're better able to isolate things.

Loads of people here try 1 mono for their first before they know how to look after things and end up with poor results (contams, dried out subs, only side pins, etc).

Do what you want, but I'd suggest splitting to smaller tubs until you're confident you can provide the right environment for a larger one. :smile:


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: SingularFusion]
    #27031047 - 11/10/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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yes I agree probably a shoebox and a tub that is like 15-20L volume would serve you better

there's also a joke about the BBT... that you will be broke by following it basically lol

if you do not have a PC then why not do PF tek jars shredded to bulk

the PF has a high rate of success even when done without a PC

what variety you choose from those has almost nothing to do with your chance of success

all the best with it




I read up on the pf tek and it looked pretty much the same to me except for using brown rice you use brown rice flour and vermiculite.  I’m a noob so I guess I wasn’t aware of the BBT joke lol.  Just seemed like a decent way to ease in and I saw some nice looking harvests with it from others.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: Pearl]
    #27031048 - 11/10/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The problem with one larger tub is that if you have an issue in said tub, the whole thing fails or fails to perform well.

With several smaller ones, you're better able to isolate things.

Loads of people here try 1 mono for their first before they know how to look after things and end up with poor results (contams, dried out subs, only side pins, etc).

Do what you want, but I'd suggest splitting to smaller tubs until you're confident you can provide the right environment for a larger one. :smile:




Thanks for the advice, I’m sure you have seen a lot of epic fails on here from other people and I don’t want to be one even though I’m half expecting it on my first grow lol. I have a lot of cultivating experience but fungus seems to need a super clean environment and I’m up for that.

It seems like I could get the same surface area but I’d have to use like 4 shoe boxes.  To be honest most of these grows I’ve seen people using shoeboxes though so it seems like maybe there’s a good reason why....


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27031168 - 11/10/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What size jars are you using? 7 half-pint jars will not even come close to being enough spawn for a 66qt bulk tub. You would have to use too much substrate and your ratio would be like 1:15. That would take a very long time to colonize and start pinning.

B+ and maza





Sorry, guess I should’ve been more clear about the jar size, they’re 1 quart jars and I have 7 ready.  Maybe I’ll just do one strain and use all the substrate in the single tub.




I read in your OP that you had 7 jars of brown rice ready. Hearing that statement coming from a first time grower usually means the most obvious (PF tek) which uses half-pint jars. Sorry if it sounds like a bunch of criticism. We only want to help you succeed. Your methods aren't very common but they can definitely work if done correctly and with a good bit of luck. Keep us posted.

HAVE PATIENCE!!

Full quart jars could take a long time to colonize.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27031182 - 11/10/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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What size jars are you using? 7 half-pint jars will not even come close to being enough spawn for a 66qt bulk tub. You would have to use too much substrate and your ratio would be like 1:15. That would take a very long time to colonize and start pinning.

B+ and maza





Sorry, guess I should’ve been more clear about the jar size, they’re 1 quart jars and I have 7 ready.  Maybe I’ll just do one strain and use all the substrate in the single tub.




I read in your OP that you had 7 jars of brown rice ready. Hearing that statement coming from a first time grower usually means the most obvious (PF tek) which uses half-pint jars. Sorry if it sounds like a bunch of criticism. We only want to help you succeed. Your methods aren't very common but they can definitely work if done correctly and with a good bit of luck. Keep us posted.

HAVE PATIENCE!!

Full quart jars could take a long time to colonize.




No offense taken, that’s why I decided to post in this forum because there’s a lot of info here and a lot of experienced growers and I wanted to get some input or ideas. 

From what I’ve seen here and other places the quart jars seem to take 10-14 days to colonize so that’s what I’m expecting but I’m definitely going to keep it updated or maybe start a journal thread or something.  Thanks again for the advice.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27031208 - 11/10/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yes man that is the main difference but it's an important difference and what makes the tek work reliably without a PC

I'm sorry I was such a cynical fuck about the BBT, just see a lot of this around here, usually in the context of someone asking why is my grow looking green etc

I don't mean to dissuade you from finding your own way

wish you all the best with it man


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: SingularFusion]
    #27031279 - 11/10/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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yes man that is the main difference but it's an important difference and what makes the tek work reliably without a PC

I'm sorry I was such a cynical fuck about the BBT, just see a lot of this around here, usually in the context of someone asking why is my grow looking green etc

I don't mean to dissuade you from finding your own way

wish you all the best with it man




It’s all good man, I appreciate any feedback.  I’ve been on other forums for years and it’s always funny to see a noob coming in way over his head so I’ve seen it many times, I’m just not used to it being me lol.  That was the main reason I was going to do a shoebox and a larger monotub in case the monotub bombed I’d still have the shoebox to test out.  At this point it’s all about getting the hang of it for me, so I’’m going try to avoid mistakes but if I make some I know it’s part of the process.  At most I’ll lose some coco and a syringe but I’ll try again :smile:


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27032286 - 11/10/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I forgot to report but the inoculation has been performed.  5 quart jars of B+ and 2 quart jars of mazatapeca.  It went into a room that I sprayed every square inch of with bleach and a pump sprayer last night. 

The b+ will go ahead and go into the 66qt tote with CVG as the substrate at about a 3” depth.  The mazatapecas will go into a 16 qt shoebox at probably a 2-3” layer. 

Since the spawn is in jars I guess I won’t have anything to report for a couple weeks but I’ll bump the thread when they colonize if I can find it ha.  I’ll probably update as soon as there is a strong mycelium presence in the jars and again when it’s time to spawn to substrate.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27051516 - 11/22/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just a quick reply, BBT is working great.  I started seeing little pieces of mycelium in 3 days and had to shake them after about 8-9 days, I’m getting ready to shake them again. 

I made some backups of everything on agar as well and those are looking nice too.  Also started few pf tek jars that are looking good with the plans to spawn them to bulk.  Since I’m new I figure I have to try it all and see what I like. Been a busy a couple weeks 😁


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27051623 - 11/22/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oops forgot to add pics.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27051808 - 11/22/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No need to shake them again, they’re pretty much done, a second shake won’t do anything except delay your process by a few days. Unless you’re shaking them for the purpose of spawning them today


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: Greens21]
    #27051859 - 11/22/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have a specific tek you were following to use brown rice as grain?


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    #27051889 - 11/22/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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No need to shake them again, they’re pretty much done, a second shake won’t do anything except delay your process by a few days. Unless you’re shaking them for the purpose of spawning them today




Hey thanks for the feedback.  I was just going to shake them one more time because on the other side there were some spots that are uncolonized and I want to make sure these jars are 100% before I spawn to bulk.  I don’t want to take any chances on contam since it’s my first time even if I have to wait a little longer. 

I think maybe I should do a journal as opposed to updating this thread, it might be a little better.  What do you guys think?


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: tiptrippy]
    #27051901 - 11/22/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you have a specific tek you were following to use brown rice as grain?




Yeah I’m using the Broke Boi Tek because I didn’t have a pressure cooker at the time but now I do.  It’s working pretty good for me so far so I think I may use it a few more times even though I have the PC now.  Aparrently not too many people like it here but I’ve seen a lot of success on Reddit and around other sites. 

There are some really good videos on YouTube by a guy named Philly Golden Teacher.  Those are the ones I followed.  He does a really good job explaining everything down to the specifics on all of his videos.


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27051964 - 11/22/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The consensus here is that more than one shake is usually not beneficial; slows down/weakens mycelium more than it speeds up colonization. There are people who shake more than once, so if you already did it then don’t worry too much, but I think you’re better off just waiting the last couple days than shaking again just to get a couple more spots


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    #27052171 - 11/22/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The consensus here is that more than one shake is usually not beneficial; slows down/weakens mycelium more than it speeds up colonization. There are people who shake more than once, so if you already did it then don’t worry too much, but I think you’re better off just waiting the last couple days than shaking again just to get a couple more spots




I can see that since they do take a few days to get back to all white again after you shake them.  I’m just taking my time because I’ve read that if you spawn to bulk before you’re 100% colonized you have a higher chance of getting contaminations.  At this point it’s not really about speed for me, it’s just about getting the basics down and getting through a couple successful grows and then I can try to speed up later on.  I appreciate the advice man 🙂


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    #27052206 - 11/22/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah definitely don’t spawn before you’re 100%, but avoid shaking twice if you can help it. If you already did it, then don’t sweat it and just wait until they’re back to normal then spawn away


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    #27052383 - 11/22/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah definitely don’t spawn before you’re 100%, but avoid shaking twice if you can help it. If you already did it, then don’t sweat it and just wait until they’re back to normal then spawn away




Yeah unfortunately I did it as soon as I commented earlier.  Next time I’ll try to hold off a little and see what happens.  It seemed like a good idea to spread the mycelium around a little more.  I think within a few days I’ll be spawning it to CVG.


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    #27054966 - 11/24/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Recovered super fast and they’re now 100% colonized.  Put the 2 quarts of Mazatapec into about 2-3 quarts CVG with a thin casing layer.  Forgot to take a pic of them after I was done.  Now we wait....



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    #27061735 - 11/28/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Everything’s going great so far.



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    #27067001 - 12/01/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This is working better than I ever expected without using a PC.  Going to leave the lid on for 3 more days and flip it. 



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    #27067083 - 12/01/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Looking good :thumbup:


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    #27067313 - 12/01/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Looking good :thumbup:




Thanks.  Two quarts of spawn colonized a lot faster so I put them in this 12qt box with CVG.  The other 5 quarts are in a 66qt mono now and are looking just as good 🙂


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Re: In the morning I’ll be innoculating my first jars... [Re: MIGuy]
    #27089014 - 12/14/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nice job bro!

Any pic updates?


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