Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds UK
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
OfflinePsyfio
Stranger

Registered: 11/09/20
Posts: 3
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Did i take BAD shrooms? * 1
    #27030400 - 11/09/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey everyone, total noob here :crazy2:

i've had just a couple light experiences with shrooms (i bought them) and even though the dose was less than 2g both times i had a lots of fun doing them with friends.

Since it's really hard for me to find shrooms to buy where i live i tried growing them this august, bought a spore syringe (cambodian) and made my first pf tek. i tried to keep everything as sterile as possible but i could have been more careful for sure. Anyways some of them grew, (that means the mycelium wasn't contaminated right) very few but pretty big ones. so i dried them and kept them in my fridge (sealed in a jar with silica gel to keep them dry) until recently.

About a week ago i decided to take them alone and i did a lemon tek with 5g of them: i let them sit 20 mins in lemon juice, (more like 25... ooops D:) squeezed the juice out through cheescloth, threw away the shroom powder (does that make sense?) and drank the mushroom tasting lemon juice.

Now sorry for all those details but i really want to understand what went wrong...

the psychedelic effect i got from 5g lemon tek was weaker than both the other times with 2g (i actually ingested the shrooms alongside lemon juice those times) and the nausea was a lot worse than both those times.
Also i felt dizzy for hours and my hand eye coordination was really worse than normal, it was so hard to draw. I also had lots of depressing thougts about how the art world is saturated and it's gonna be really hard for me to get some attention.

So what do you think went wrong?

Could it be a bad batch of shrooms? should i throw the rest away? or did i screw up the lemon tek? or could it be just that my egoic mind is still too strong for the shrooms to do their thing?

thank you so much if you took the time to read this, i hope to get some insight from someone more experienced!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepsycho_nauticus
Stranger
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/26/20
Posts: 779
Loc: Incognito on Cloud 9
Last seen: 7 months, 24 days
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Psyfio]
    #27030413 - 11/09/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You threw it out, I don't believe that is how lemon tek is done, you're still supposed to keep shrooms in the lemon juice and down it all down after 15-20 minutes. The acidity from the lemon is a catalyst to the process known as dephosphorylation, causing the psilocybin to break down to psilocin. This is basically what occurs in your stomach if you were to ingest them just by eating, but this already breaks it down, making it more intense but shorter in duration. Whenever I lemon tek I never throw out the shrooms, and I don't think you were supposed to.


--------------------


Edited by psycho_nauticus (11/09/20 05:09 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSocrateshroom
сталкер


Registered: 09/05/18
Posts: 1,840
Loc: Westworld
Last seen: 1 month, 5 days
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Psyfio]
    #27030424 - 11/09/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you do mushrooms enough, you will have a wide range of experiences from incredible to, possibly, horrific.

I don't think the mushrooms were contaminated as they grew, and if they did get contaminated, it must have been somewhere in the handling/storage phase. Were they properly dried? And why are you storing dry mushrooms in the fridge?

However, without having all of the details, no one will really be able to tell you. We'd need a comprehensive, step by step guide with pictures of your entire process to give an accurate diagnosis of what may have occurred.

For what it's worth, I think you just had a different trip.

Quote:

Psyfio said:
Also i felt dizzy for hours and my hand eye coordination was really worse than normal, it was so hard to draw.




Nothing out of the ordinary here. My coordination disappears at 3g+, hence why most people like to stay in their bed on higher doses.

Quote:

Psyfio said:
the psychedelic effect i got from 5g lemon tek was weaker than both the other times with 2g (i actually ingested the shrooms alongside lemon juice those times)




That's the nature of multi-spore grows. Every mushroom in your batch will be of different potency, sometimes wildly different. So you can have a weak 5g or a super strong 2g and anywhere in between and beyond.

Give it 2 weeks, make a proper tea out of 3g if nausea is a problem. If not, just eat them straight and see where it goes.

Edit: And as stated above, the mushrooms are usually consumed in lemon tek. Tea teks usually strain out the mushrooms.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAmanita86
OTD Keymaster
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27030431 - 11/09/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone ever intentionally go out of their way to test which drying methods suck and what causes the most alkaloids to be destroyed?

Just on a hunch I bet leaving any (any) moisture in the shrooms before storage kills them like kryptonite.  Other than that they’re supposed to be pretty durable.  If you don’t get gut discomfort I would just gulp down the shroom powder sludge in the tea.


--------------------
:mushroom2:Orange clock, pencil:bouncysmoke:
"They threw me off the hay truck about noon...":fishing:
:mushroom2:*Mark 15:34:levitate::mushroom2::blueninja:
Gam zeh ya’avor...:sunny:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSir Pentinite
Stranger all the time.

Registered: 05/15/19
Posts: 525
Loc: ation Location Location
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Psyfio]
    #27030708 - 11/09/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Discarding the mushroom solids didn't weaken the effects in any appreciable way. They cause nausea and digestive upset for lots of people. The purpose, at least partly, of Lemon Tek and tea is so you can strain out the solids and reduce both of those problems.

However.....

Quote:

Psyfio said:i did a lemon tek with 5g of them: i let them sit 20 mins in lemon juice, (more like 25... ooops D:)




If all you did was chuck them in lemon juice and let it sit, then it could have resulted in a weak extraction. Next time simmer it lightly on the stove for ~15min.


--------------------
"I thought to myself 'Boy, I'm sure glad there's nobody here to see this because this is exactly the sort of thing that gets people riled-up and they assume you're dying and that something has to be done. Where if you're alone, you know, you either come through it or you die, but in any case you avoid the fuss.'"
- Terrence McKenna


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePrimalSoup
hyperspatial illuminations
Other User Gallery


Registered: 11/17/09
Posts: 13,568
Loc: PNW Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: psycho_nauticus] * 1
    #27030787 - 11/09/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psycho_nauticus said:
You threw it out, I don't believe that is how lemon tek is done, you're still supposed to keep shrooms in the lemon juice and down it all down after 15-20 minutes. The acidity from the lemon is a catalyst to the process known as dephosphorylation, causing the psilocybin to break down to psilocin. This is basically what occurs in your stomach if you were to ingest them just by eating, but this already breaks it down, making it more intense but shorter in duration. Whenever I lemon tek I never throw out the shrooms, and I don't think you were supposed to.




That process only really happens in the liver.  Acidifing the shrooms or tea creates citrate compounds with the active alkaloids and those are more bioavailable so more easily absorbed.

But tossing the solids could be a factor, so could that they weren't all that to start with - a common problem with multispore grows, of any variety.  :shrug:

Especially, as said, if the extraction isn't very effective.

Screw all the middlemen, just eat the shrooms fresh next time - one of the best ways ever to access their power. :snoopyes:


--------------------

if you stand too close to the machine it'll start to eat you
Primal's simple tested teks and projects: :awesomenod: Wheat Prep 2.0  Acidic Tea Tek  Potency Project! 


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsyfio
Stranger

Registered: 11/09/20
Posts: 3
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27031261 - 11/10/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for the reply,
they've probably got contaminated after i picked them since i let them dry on a paper towel for a week in a clean and "almost" never used room, but they were still exposed to contamination i guess. i thought that after picking them they couldn't really get contaminated, i guess i was wrong!
i guess i'll throw out the rest of these shrooms, i really want to avoid the kind of experience i had with them.
i'll try and be more careful with the next batch.


Edited by Psyfio (11/10/20 09:02 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsyfio
Stranger

Registered: 11/09/20
Posts: 3
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Psyfio]
    #27031264 - 11/10/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

thanks to everyone else too!
Really appreciate the replies:heart:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSocrateshroom
сталкер


Registered: 09/05/18
Posts: 1,840
Loc: Westworld
Last seen: 1 month, 5 days
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Psyfio]
    #27031356 - 11/10/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Psyfio said:
thanks for the reply,
they've probably got contaminated after i picked them since i let them dry on a paper towel for a week in a clean and "almost" never used room, but they were still exposed to contamination i guess. i thought that after picking them they couldn't really get contaminated, i guess i was wrong!
i guess i'll throw out the rest of these shrooms, i really want to avoid the kind of experience i had with them.
i'll try and be more careful with the next batch.




There are people who dry them by leaving them out without issues. So I don't want to say that this was the cause. Terrence McKenna wrote a few times of drying mushrooms by leaving them out in the sun, but never for a weeks time.

However, moisture and heat helps harbor nasties. Imagine leaving fresh food out on the kitchen table for a week. Would probably look pretty disgusting and, most likely, rotten. Fresh mushrooms are food like anything else and can rot, grow mold etc, if exposed to them and in the right conditions.

Use a dehydrator if you can. Perhaps oven dry if you don't have access to a dehydrator. If you are drying them, you want them dry as fast as possible and in good storage. So you generally want them dry no later than 24 hours (sometimes longer if you have a massive batch).


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePrimalSoup
hyperspatial illuminations
Other User Gallery


Registered: 11/17/09
Posts: 13,568
Loc: PNW Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: Psyfio]
    #27031822 - 11/10/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Psyfio said:
thanks for the reply,
they've probably got contaminated after i picked them since i let them dry on a paper towel for a week in a clean and "almost" never used room, but they were still exposed to contamination i guess. i thought that after picking them they couldn't really get contaminated, i guess i was wrong!
i guess i'll throw out the rest of these shrooms, i really want to avoid the kind of experience i had with them.
i'll try and be more careful with the next batch.




:dafuq:  No, that doesn't work.  As you have discovered.  :cookiemonster:


--------------------

if you stand too close to the machine it'll start to eat you
Primal's simple tested teks and projects: :awesomenod: Wheat Prep 2.0  Acidic Tea Tek  Potency Project! 


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVibe_Enthusiast
Mushroom Technician
I'm a teapot


Registered: 10/16/18
Posts: 2,420
Loc: GPS signal lost.. Flag
Last seen: 1 month, 6 days
Re: Did i take BAD shrooms? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27032841 - 11/11/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

A food dehydrator is worth its weight in gold for this hobby. Be sure to get yourself one - they're cheap!

You may have had a crappy extraction or it could have just been a weak batch! Next time, give tea a go. Make sure ya squeeze the mushrooms of all their juices into the cup youre going to use before you toss them! I have a feeling you ended up throwing some of the good stuff away.

:cheers:


--------------------
:greyalien:




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Injection Grain Bag   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Hepatitis from Bad shrooms? JayDogg420 2,999 9 09/06/02 09:39 PM
by Peace_Patrol
* Bad shrooms? SuicideSnowman 1,343 5 11/11/01 08:07 PM
by alen
* BAD SHROOMS? Anonymous 879 1 03/25/02 09:15 PM
by Surf Bum
* Please help....Bad shrooms? Smokey52087 1,134 5 08/08/03 06:17 AM
by ScubySnak420
* Re: Bad shroom experiences? Shiznitz 2,112 3 04/21/01 09:51 PM
by HB
* So i had a bad trip.... NaTuRaL 3,431 18 11/09/02 01:47 PM
by RITM1999
* Bad bad bad.... mrshrums 1,731 14 11/04/01 07:02 AM
by surrealthoughts
* are my shrooms good to eat?? timmytucker 1,299 6 01/07/03 02:04 PM
by Penroc3

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
318 topic views. 3 members, 74 guests and 10 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.024 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.