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Cognitive Decline
    #27030130 - 11/09/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi All,

A long story short, I tripped for the first time in July 2019 and had a fun experience with a somewhat panicky end to the trip. I foolishly did shrooms at a festival without really knowing what I was getting myself into. The set and setting was all wrong and without knowing it, I was going to cause myself some kind of awakening.

Since that trip, I've had a long and hard battle with general anxiety / depression related symptoms. I realised after that trip that I hated the life I was leading and the lifestyle choices that I had made.

I've made so many improvements in my life since then. I'm eating much more cleanly and I exercise more or less every day to keep myself feeling in top form. I also made two job changes in the past and now I am moving down a new career path which is making me a lot happier in this moment. I've also got into yoga and meditation, which helps me keep on top of things if I'm not able to get some lung-busting cardio in.

So, all in all, while I thought the trip had ruined my life in the short-term, in the long-term, it has really encouraged me to be a lot happier and make lasting, positive changes in my life.

However, I'm still facing one major issue, that has lingered over the entirety of this 15 or so months since I tripped. That is the feeling of brain fog / cognitive decline.

I just seem to have lost my cognitive edge, a sharpness that I used to have. I get easily confused and struggle to follow along with simple tasks now, when I previously would not have struggled.

I've spoken to my doctor on a number of occasions and have had countless blood tests to look for any issues, but nothing has arisen.

My guess would be the episode of depression I went through led to me suffering, from what I read, a common side effect of cognitive issues. From that, I haven't been able to recover back to how I used to be.

But, I'm also not sure If I am simply over-thinking everything and the anxiety of the thoughts is simply causing me harm than good when it comes to my cognitive function.

When I exercise and meditate, I generally feel a lot clearer and stronger cognitively. But, this is only a temporary fix. If I go more than two days without exercise I start to really feel slow and foggy and lost.

Can anyone throw me some pearls of wisdom? Anyone been through something similar? I'm not sure how much longer I can keep going when deep down I know I've lost my edge cognitively.

TL:DR - Tripped over a year ago and since that point I've suffered a brain fog or seeming cognitive decline. Is this all in my head or is there something I can do to try and counter this feeling.

Thanks


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: tthempsun999] * 2
    #27031332 - 11/10/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's rough seeing the same confused look on people's faces.
Or feeling like time has sped up- because you've slowed down.

IME, Depression comes with brain fog.
That is the culprit I'd hedge on, but you need to get in with a Psychiatrist.

Instead of bloodwork, request imaging of your brain.
Have a feeling it will be clean, but if you're going as far as medical testing- might as well.

Do you take any meds or supplements?
Think hard on if anything has changed since your trip.
Feel better soon.


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #27031489 - 11/10/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for your support, it goes a long way.

I'll mention imaging of brain and a psychiatrist with my next consultation with my Doctor.

I agree regarding the brain fog, from what I've read. Quite often exercise helps the fog, but it comes back without doing it persistently. It seems frustrating to expect I need to exercise daily to function at my max, when I previously didn't have to. But, maybe I simply wasn't self-aware to how I was operating prior to this trip, now I am?

No medication. I take vitamin D3, B12 along with omega 3 supplements (as I am a vegetarian). I've tried magnesium, St Johns Wort, Ginkgo Biloba over the past year, to no real effect.

I really can't think of any major changes to my lifestyle that would explain this change in my cognitive function. Which would again point toward the possible brain fog from a depressive episode, potentially. The Doctor also diagnosed me with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. This doesn't help with the obsessive nature of some of my thoughts towards the cognitive decline. I think I could do better with dealing with some of these thoughts.


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: tthempsun999]
    #27031724 - 11/10/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

ginkgo biloba isn't effective unlesss you're taking like 5 grams a day for 6 months.

The problem with these supplements not being "effective" is no one reads the study. No one realizes that for these natural plants to be effective you need like acres of the plant per year. Which is why we should start breeding plants like their cannabis.


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: paradoxlost]
    #27031924 - 11/10/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can relate to the brain fog. Take b12, d3 and omega3 like you. Nothing else apart from a small dose of shrooms at the weekend. About 8 weeks in and I think its helping me to relax and be a bit more together mentally if that makes sense. Maybe loosening up some things. Been really clean drink/drug wise for ages but mybe getting too stuck in a rut.

Like you, used exercise as a pickup. These days got into yoga as my sole exercise and that fits my body type/age better, not so draining and more energising.

Going to try grow some lions mane as supposedly can help with brain fog.
Maybe cordyceps as hear that helps Lyme disease fatigue.

I'm sure I got Lyme's when a teenager and it went untreated. Just fealt really sluggish for 2-3 weeks, round mark where the tic was, but just got on with things, that was years ago.

I think a lot of it is down to expectation in life, causing depression.

If you find something works for you please share, would love to know.

Guess a nice bit of speed or coke would help but shame it doesn't last.:smile:


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: MetalSlug]
    #27032131 - 11/10/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi OP - thanks for stopping by and opening up with us. One thought that comes to my mind is that it's really hard to be objective about one's thoughts and the degree to which they may have changed. Perhaps you can work with your doctor to establish a baseline measurement of your cognitive skills. This is commonly done by neurologist for a variety of reasons. Not only will they be able to tell you how your results compare to the general population for your age, but you can take the test again in 6 to 12 months and measure any changes. Simply knowing, one way or the other, is reassuring.


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: PTreeDish]
    #27032725 - 11/11/20 03:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

PTreeDish - Really valuable point about being objective with own thoughts, I definitely agree. On my good days, I often feel as if I'm as sharp, if not sharper than I used to be. But, again, it's hard to be clear about this.

I'll look into the cognitive skills test with Doctor. Thank-you.

Metal Slug - Glad to hear I am not the only one with struggles! Definitely agree with the comment about expectation of life. Spending too much time in my head and not in the moment certainly seems to have an affect on my fog.

For now the only thing that truly seems to be working for me is getting solid 25/30 mins of cardio every morning. Frustrating that it's the only remedy for now, but there's worse things to need to rely on! I'll let you know if anything else makes a big difference.


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: tthempsun999]
    #27040902 - 11/15/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Frustrating that it's the only remedy for now, but there's worse things to need to rely on! I'll let you know if anything else makes a big difference.




Not to minimize your struggles, but look at the bright side-- you'll be be super smart AND look good with your clothes off if you do cardio every day.


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: pslyke]
    #27045074 - 11/18/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I get the exact same problem with the brain fog that goes away with exercise but then comes back with a break. Been a struggle in the last couple months since it got too cold to do my regular exercise.

I find the fog is gone for 2-4 days after smoking a joint though, and for a day after buying a big treat meal, or going to an event I enjoy like a country show or a special annual street market.
I'm not a doctor, but I am officially diagnosed with chronic major depression so I'd have to say the fog is from depression. I don't know how to treat that underlying chronic problem though except just remember to exercise every day, and/or do something you thoroughly enjoy (though beware if it's a big meal coz too many of them can backfire on you lol)


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: tthempsun999]
    #27058013 - 11/26/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think it has to do with reaching max climax.

Once a human brain experiences that point, or even is given flashbacks via dreams or drugs, can never come back to baseline.

For example. every child remembers baseline, the place of pure innocence. Once a mind gets the full force however there can be no unseeing the way the world interacts.

It can be tough sometimes , and at least some people understand core suffering. You should tell us more .


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: Fiery]
    #27058261 - 11/26/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Damn that's cynical..


OP, have you considered a nutritional deficiency? Not to go there because of your food choices, but an iron deficiency might account for some of these symptoms.
Especially if you're reaching new planes- and are early into adulthood. IIRC, you had a CBC performed- do you have older blood work you can request your GP to compare?
Not sure how long you've been veg, sounds like you're covering most bases so not discounting ya.

Are you meeting regularly with a therapist? How often do you see your doctor, and are they assuming the task of overseeing, looking at your case comprehensively?
While the community has professionals scattered about, there is no way to properly direct you, medically. As a matter of fact, that can be downright dangerous.

In the meantime, know you're not alone.

Exercise absolutely helps quell depression. The cruel, stark reality is, depression saps away the desire- or ability even- to get out there and work those endorphins.
Do what you can, be kind and practice self love, and don't be hard on yourself. Your personal expectations are all that matters, so be realistic.

The problem with 'invisible' illness, is some others, and consequently an individual, think you can 'will' yourself through mental illness. IME, mostly these people want to help and don't recognize the potential damage their advice can have. Turn it into resilience.
The only thing separating mentally ill folks and 'normies,' is an official diagnosis. The amount of neurosis floating around unbridled and unaccounted for astounds me daily. Not to project:grin:, just know how painful and isolating it can get.

So rambles aside. If I were in your boat, (which I am) would seek out a neuropsychiatrist, and potentially a nutritionist.

Otherwise, my vote is the psil allowed self awareness of your current mental state. Use that, its a gift. Perspective, a hellov a drug.
Oh, and perhaps read up on integration after a trip. Hope it helps.


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Re: Cognitive Decline [Re: tthempsun999]
    #27059082 - 11/26/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I seriously doubt one psychedelic trip would cause cognitive decline... As a matter of fact psychedelics tend to improve cognition which is one of the reasons researchers are so excited... Something else is going on... How old are you?


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