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Is this a solid Yield?
    #27029918 - 11/09/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

66qt Monotub, 5lb wbs grain spawn to 10lbs Horse poo mix, B+, 3 flushes = 178 dried grams.  Is this about right or should someone expect more?  Thanks.

1st and 2nd flushes were about equal.  3rd was small quantity but very thick meaty stems.  Took much longer to dry those.


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: SideStepReality]
    #27030277 - 11/09/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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66qt Monotub, 5lb wbs grain spawn to 10lbs Horse poo mix, B+, 3 flushes = 178 dried grams.  Is this about right or should someone expect more?  Thanks.

1st and 2nd flushes were about equal.  3rd was small quantity but very thick meaty stems.  Took much longer to dry those.




Let's assume that the fruits are 93% water (bodhisatta measurement)

dry substrate ingredients (assuming that is what you gave) = 15 * 454 = 6810g

dry fruits = 178g
dry/wet fruits = .03
=> wet fruits = ~5933g

Your BE = (wet fruit weight)/(dry in substrate) * 100 = 5933/178 * 100 = 87%

For a first flush, 87% BE is probably okay, but Bohisatta said this to me last night in this thread.

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Its routine for people to hit >150% BE with PE and APE. >200% BE isn't uncommon for most growers these days




I wouldn't question bodhisatta with 58,350+ posts (unless his intent was something other than to inform but I doubt he'd be that incredibly rude for no reason to me), but for my part--and I'm somewhat experienced as well--I think your grow sounds pretty decent for a first flush.  For a full grow, though, you can probably double that I am told.


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: Blue Helix]
    #27030364 - 11/09/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Just to clarify.  That was 5lb hydrated grain spawn and 10lb Hydrated substrate.  Not dry.  I bought the pre sterilized/pasteurized bags and inoculated with a spore syringe.  I'm not sure on the dry weights!  Thanks for the info though.


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: SideStepReality]
    #27030398 - 11/09/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Just to clarify.  That was 5lb hydrated grain spawn and 10lb Hydrated substrate.  Not dry.  I bought the pre sterilized/pasteurized bags and inoculated with a spore syringe.  I'm not sure on the dry weights!  Thanks for the info though.




Ah!  Okay.... Recomputing...


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: SideStepReality]
    #27030410 - 11/09/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Just to clarify.  That was 5lb hydrated grain spawn and 10lb Hydrated substrate.  Not dry.  I bought the pre sterilized/pasteurized bags and inoculated with a spore syringe.  I'm not sure on the dry weights!  Thanks for the info though.




Horse manure is usually balanced to 35% dry
manure dry = 10 * .35 * 454 = 1589g

Grain is usually 50% dry
grain dry = 5 * .5 * 454 = 1135g

Total sub dry = 1589 + 1135 = 2724g

Your BE is  (wet fruit weight)/(dry in substrate) * 100 = 5933/2724 * 100 = 218%

If my math is right, that sounds pretty high to me.


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: Blue Helix]
    #27030416 - 11/09/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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66qt Monotub, 5lb wbs grain spawn to 10lbs Horse poo mix, B+, 3 flushes = 178 dried grams.  Is this about right or should someone expect more?  Thanks.

1st and 2nd flushes were about equal.  3rd was small quantity but very thick meaty stems.  Took much longer to dry those.




Let's assume that the fruits are 93% water (bodhisatta measurement)

dry substrate ingredients (assuming that is what you gave) = 15 * 454 = 6810g

dry fruits = 178g
dry/wet fruits = .03
=> wet fruits = ~5933g

Your BE = (wet fruit weight)/(dry in substrate) * 100 = 5933/178 * 100 = 87%

For a first flush, 87% BE is probably okay, but Bohisatta said this to me last night in this thread.

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bodhisatta said:
Its routine for people to hit >150% BE with PE and APE. >200% BE isn't uncommon for most growers these days




I wouldn't question bodhisatta with 58,350+ posts (unless his intent was something other than to inform but I doubt he'd be that incredibly rude for no reason to me), but for my part--and I'm somewhat experienced as well--I think your grow sounds pretty decent for a first flush.  For a full grow, though, you can probably double that I am told.




Try you dry/ wet calc again. It would be /.07 not .03. Wet weight approx 2543g. Your example assumes fruit are 97% water instead of 93%.


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #27030425 - 11/09/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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66qt Monotub, 5lb wbs grain spawn to 10lbs Horse poo mix, B+, 3 flushes = 178 dried grams.  Is this about right or should someone expect more?  Thanks.

1st and 2nd flushes were about equal.  3rd was small quantity but very thick meaty stems.  Took much longer to dry those.




Let's assume that the fruits are 93% water (bodhisatta measurement)

dry substrate ingredients (assuming that is what you gave) = 15 * 454 = 6810g

dry fruits = 178g
dry/wet fruits = .07
wet fruits = ~5933g

Your BE = (wet fruit weight)/(dry in substrate) * 100 = 5933/178 * 100 = 87%

For a first flush, 87% BE is probably okay, but Bohisatta said this to me last night in this thread.

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bodhisatta said:
Its routine for people to hit >150% BE with PE and APE. >200% BE isn't uncommon for most growers these days




I wouldn't question bodhisatta with 58,350+ posts (unless his intent was something other than to inform but I doubt he'd be that incredibly rude for no reason to me), but for my part--and I'm somewhat experienced as well--I think your grow sounds pretty decent for a first flush.  For a full grow, though, you can probably double that I am told.




Try you dry/ wet calc again. It would be /.07 not .03. Wet weight approx 2543g. Your example assumes fruit are 97% water instead of 93%.





Yup, that's a big  mistake.  Thanks bodhisatta!

dry fruits = 178g
dry/wet fruits = .07
wet fruits = ~2542g


Horse manure is usually balanced to 35% dry
manure dry = 10 * .35 * 454 = 1589g

Grain is usually 50% dry
grain dry = 5 * .5 * 454 = 1135g

Total sub dry = 1589 + 1135 = 2724g

Your BE = (wet fruit weight)/(dry in substrate) * 100 = 2542/2724 * 100 = 93.3%


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: Blue Helix]
    #27030576 - 11/09/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the help guys.  Good info.  I'll also weigh wet fruits next time.

So 93%.  Not as good as I was hoping.  I guess that means there is definite room for improvement.


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: SideStepReality]
    #27030712 - 11/09/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Was this MS or agar inoculation to wbs?


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: Greens21]
    #27030770 - 11/09/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It was a Multispore syringe.  I did get some good spore prints though.  Maybe if I try to get some better genetics going, I might have a better yield?


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: SideStepReality]
    #27030960 - 11/10/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks for the help guys.  Good info.  I'll also weigh wet fruits next time.

So 93%.  Not as good as I was hoping.  I guess that means there is definite room for improvement.




I think it's pretty good.  That handwaving I did to try to compute the dry weight of your substrate, though, is probably off.  It's true that saturated grains are around 50%, maybe your grain wasn't.  Also the manure can really vary quite a bit from 65% water weight.  If you could get (a) the total weight of the dry substrate and (b) the wet of all the fruits you pull, you can just plug them right into the BE equation next time and get a more accurate measurement.


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Re: Is this a solid Yield? [Re: SideStepReality]
    #27030966 - 11/10/20 12:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It was a Multispore syringe.  I did get some good spore prints though.  Maybe if I try to get some better genetics going, I might have a better yield?




I doubt it's a genetic thing really.  There are so many other things more likely IMO.  Yes, genetics play a role, but I think more often MS grows are limited by other factors.  I don't know anything about your technique, fruiting chamber, temperature, humidity, etc., so I can't really comment on your specific grow here.  If you want to improve your yield, though, there are lots of trusted cultivators here that are very helpful.  That's what the site is all about.


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